He woke up and thought “today, I’m going to be the shitty politician that punk rockers sing about”, and then he did it.
Can YOU, a regular citizen, openly declare your desire to commit genocide and still retain YOUR job?
Well yes you can. Plenty of people chanting from the river to the sea are keeping their jobs.
Let me guess, 30,000 dead Palestinian civilians at the hands of the armed wing of one of the most advanced intelligence machines in the Eastern hemisphere is just “defending their right to exist”.
Take a look at the map. There’s one country in the region surrounding by countries whose Jews have been ethnically cleansed. The rest of them were forced to covert during the Arab conquests that swept the land. You’ve got Iran, Hamas and more all openly saying they want to murder the inhabitants of that lone non Arab country so ya, they’re clearly defending their right to exist.
Also interesting that you’re accepting the numbers from the terrorists who started this round of fighting without question. Do you really think that not a single Hamas fighter has been among the dead? There was a Lord in Parliament the other day speaking on the civilian/combatant ratio being around 2.5:1, or about 9k of those dead being militants. Suppose you’re taking Hamas numbers over the UK’s on this cuz it fits your narrative?
Can we bring back the proposal that any politician who advocates in favor of an offensive war/conflict be then immediately pressed into service on the front lines?
If he wants to kill Palestinians so badly, maybe he can man up and do it himself rather than speak platitudes across a desk.
Shove this in the face of the GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1!1 idiots who can’t seem to grasp that they face a binary decision.
What’s fun is that I regularly ask, “who should I vote for to prevent Trump from being president?” I rarely get an answer, but I do get told I support genocide. It’s extra-fun when I tell them I want to stop Trump to stop people like my queer daughter from being the victims of a genocide. That often makes them double down on telling me how much I want there to be a genocide.
I’ve even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter’s life.
I am extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and absolutely condemn Israel’s genocide… but at the expense of my own child’s life? Fuck no.
Anything to stop Trump and Republicans from putting queer people in “conversion” camps where they’re tortured to death. Because that’s the goal.
Last election I got to vote for “grab 'em by the pussy” or “black kids are just as good as rich kids” (or something similar. I can’t remember the quote exactly and I don’t have time to look it up).
This election I get to vote for genocide or genocide. I can’t wait.
Edit: I’ll take Biden over Trump any day. Trump terrifies me. I’m terrified of how many Americans are going to die if he wins. But I hate that these are our options.
Maybe vote to stop genocide of people in the country in which you live over a genocide that would happen whether or not Biden was in office because Trump would support it too.
Show me the current genocide of queer people in america.
Show me 1000’s of queer people being starved, left without power, medical help, water.
Show me the current genocide of queer people in america.
The same place the genocide of queer people in Germany was in 1932. Do you know what happened in 1933? Do you know what happened between 1933 and 1945?
But please, do tell me who I should vote for that has a statistically likely chance of winning the U.S. presidential election in November and will also definitely end the genocide in Israel. Give me that name.
Idgaf who you vote for.
Once again, you do you, but don’t come to me wanting my vote to help you re-elect Ol’ Genocidin Biden.
I’m not here to stop you, I am here to make sure everyone realizes they are supporting someone who has ACTIVELY helped Israel commit genocidal actions.
Not passively, he bypassed congress twice already to send them more fucking shells.
You are once again hung up on what someone might do compared to what they know someone else is doing.
The whole phrase ‘bypassing Congress’ is propaganda. It’s literal weapons sales. Those are not required to go through Congress. I disagree with those sales, but what he’s doing is perfectly legal and not backhanded.
I can’t believe anyone is so fucking willfully ignorant they can’t see how much worse Trump is, but here we are.
You need to stop having those conversations and focus on what’s important. Right now, if the election were to be held, Trump wins in a landslide according to the polls (assuming EC more or less follows the popular trend).
What do you need to do before November to ensure that your queer daughter is protected in the extremely likely case of a 2nd Trump administration?
I just hope they learn before it’s too late that the people who stand idly by and/or vote in support of genocide of Palestinians because they’re not Palestinian are the same people who will do the same with queer people like us because they’re not queer.
They’re already turning the corner on immigrants. The recent Dem bill is more extreme than any border laws passed under Trump. And now it’s getting even more extreme with the new bipartisan version.
Stop using us as a shield to protect your horrific genocide. I wonder if their daughter even knows they’re appropriating her queerness to support slaughtering tens of thousands of children.
It’s not a Dem bill; it’s a bipartisan bill. It was the Democrats compromising in order to save Ukraine.
And your last paragraph is just disgusting. No one’s using you as a shield here. And no one is ‘appropriating her queerness’.
Do you have any idea what you’re even going on about? You seem to feel pretty strongly about it while not knowing what you’re talking about. That or you’re just buying into some sort of propaganda without thinking about it, which I guess amounts to the same.
They’re actually correct in how this thread is using queer people as shields for Israel’s genocide
There are queer Palestinians as well. Although there are far fewer today than there were 5 months ago
And this is exactly what will happen if Trump is re-elected.
It’s happening right now
No, they are not all being killed. There are about 2 million innocent people in the entire Strip. Death figures according to the Gazan Health Ministry are around 30,000 currently.
It’s not impossible though, it’s been attempted before in history, by ethno-nationalist asshats just like Netanyahu’s supporters.
This can get much worse. Many zealots want it worse.
Just because we’re not yet at MegaGenocide™ package doesn’t mean much, most of Gaza is rubble now. That two million people have pretty much nowhere to return to. Israel wanted ethnic cleansing (as they have explicitly stated time and time again, Zionism is a fascist ideology) and they’re getting it
“They’re not all dead yet it’s not a genocide.”
You. That’s you. Stop literally excusing an ongoing genocide. Fucking pathetic.
Indeed, it’s happening right now and it will keep happening. Stop voting for red and blue
This is hate speech and illegal in my country.
It should be illegal in any country.
Sadly, in the U.S., “freedom of speech” has become almost totally meaningless. Our supreme court decided that money is speech, which is why we now have things called political action committees (PACs) which aren’t supposed to work with campaigns *wink wink, nudge nudge* and can raise unlimited funds from anyone anywhere in the world legally. Unsurprisingly, Trump’s PAC has been paying his legal bills.
speech should not be illegal, everyone should be free to say what they want. If you don’t like what someone is saying don’t fucking vote for them. Protest against israel are already illegal in many countries, that’s what not having free speech brings you.
Got it. Money should equal speech because it’s illegal to protest against Israel in many countries.
Turns out yes, things can get much worse for Palestinians if Republicans win in November.
When I hear things like Dearborn MI is voting for Trump, there’s a sick part of me that wants to see what would happen if the Arab community was the reason Trump got into power.
Like, I understand that you’re very angry with the current situation but are you actually going to ruin your life and that of millions of your supposed brothers in the middle east to express that anger? Do people forget what Trump did as soon as he was in office last time?
If both parties are going to genocide Arabs while they’re in charge, the blood is on their hands and no one else’s. Only assholes and morons will blame Arabs in the US for the massacre of Palestinians.
Things can get much better for palestinians if nobody votes for red or blue
What a piece of sh1t he is. Dismissing lives with the ease of a psychopath with power.
You can say “shit,” it’s okay.
But instead they said shONEt
Is that, like, sonet but with flatulism?
It’s a portmanteau of shit cunt, obviously
… everybody in Hamas".
The fact that the newspaper, twitter and all the people here are ignoring what they heard themselves,
that is the clearest and escariest example of an echo chamber.
Hey wait a minute I thought we were all voting for Republicans because the Democrats didn’t immediately get Israel to do all the things we wanted them to do.
No some of us just aren’t showing up to vote for Biden. Personally I’ll be voting for a 3rd party candidate or writing in. We made it clear we didn’t support Biden as a choice in the 2020 primaries. Progressives and leftists provided multiple alternatives we would have generally all backed in the general even though we definitely had our favorites.
Moderates responded by claiming “We can push Biden to the left.” Many progressive and leftist voters took this to mean we had a seat at the table so we showed up in the 2020 general election. After four years of Biden it’s very clear we continue to have no seat at the table despite being desperately needed to win the 2024 general election. Moderates continue to bank on using the fear of Trump to coerce progressives and leftists to show up to vote while having zero influence at all. Then they have a melt down and call us entitled when we say we’ve had enough and we’re walking away from the table we don’t have a seat at.
Moderates can either compromise with leftists or progressives or lose to fascists. It’s really that simple.
Well, guess what’s gonna happen then. If you are in danger of starving, do you refuse a bruised apple or wait for pizza?
Frankly I’m tired of these made up questions. Do you want to compromise with progressives and leftists or lose to fascists? Stop bargaining, make a choice and be confident that the outcome is what you chose.
So your choice is to lose to fascists…? Because if people don’t vote for Biden, Democrats will lose to fascists.
No made up analogy there. Straight up go to jail, don’t pass go, end of democracy, Trump dictatorship. This honestly is not hyperbole this time around.
Sounds like you better try to work on moderates then.
Sounds like y’all need our help but aren’t willing to listen to us.
I heard all this same shit last time.
I am done being the only one who has to compromise.
Fix your candidate if you want my votes
So even though you don’t think it’s what you’re doing, you’re choosing neutrality. And “neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”
I’d consider myself more a leftist than not, but I’m not blind. Events like this make it quite clear how much worse the other option is. Neither side actually cares, so I’m going with the side that does the least harm, even though I don’t think it goes far enough.
You’re free to call yourself whatever you want but all you’re doing is repeating moderate talking points for them. Whatever your beliefs are, your actions support moderate politics. The same politics which have failed to address Trump.
I’m not beholden to any party or wing thereof. I see a news story like this, though, and I’ll do whatever I can to keep that party out of office.
Have you tried telling moderates they need to wise up and start compromising with progressives and leftists?
Then you will continue to lap at their heels.
Or, you can stand up and find your voice and fight with us against it
And how many people will the Republicans kill, disenfranchise, or otherwise dehumanize before somebody starts listening to my voice?
I certainly couldn’t have that on my conscience.
But you will if you guys continue to say fuck you to is.
You guys are choosing to run that candidate with all the risk that takes.
Why is it ALWAYS on us to give in to you guys?
If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.
I love all the comments like “Biden isn’t being tough enough on Israel! Biden isn’t stopping the genocide!”
Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests…
Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying? Biden in office is probably the most gentle response Palestine is going to get for 10/7. Republicans are frothing at the mouth to boost JDAM and Paveway kit sales.
If preventing a genocide is hurting “foreign policy interests”, then those interests are shite.
exactly what i was thinking.
if this is the lesser of two evils, you probably have reached evil long ago.
Quick question, can you explain to me how it wasn’t evil to burn babies in their cribs, rape daughters in front of mothers, and behead fathers in front of sons? Cause I really can’t see it any other way after 10/7.
the world isnt black and white and one evil can’t justify another, even greater evil. its a convenient excuse, but its good to notice oppression has the habit of creating more of the twisted people you speak of.
the world isn’t black and white
Evil
Incredible that this amount of cognitive dissonance can fit into one sentence.
motherfucker is tryna justify genocide dude, thats not a hill to die on.
I hate genocide, like the genocide that Hamas committed on 10/7.
Wahhhhhhh the US should support the people I like!!!
How does that even make sense? GOP being worse doesn’t mean that Biden is doing a great job. He’s bloody well FUNDING and ARMING the genocidal IDF. That there is a worse option doesn’t make Biden’s actions in any way “good”.
I immediately stop listening to anyone that is calling the current situation genocide. No better way to tell me that your opinion is worthless than to use words incorrectly.
The UN Convention on Genocide defines it like this:
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
"a) Killing members of the group;
b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
So, point for point, the only one Israel hasn’t done in Gaza is “e”. But to be clear, you don’t have to hit all 5 to be a genocide, just one is enough. Russia is hitting all 5 in Ukraine.
Yes exactly, the slaughter on 10/7 WAS genocide.
A repressed people cannot commit genocide against their repressors.
See:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner’s_slave_rebellion
Great, so Israel can’t commit genocide against Palestinians due to 80 years of oppression through terrorist attacks?
I’d hardly call what the Palestinians do “oppression”, they aren’t in a position to oppress anyone.
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Removed for rule 3, attack the ideas, not the person.
The foreign policy of most on the right is basically “Turn it all to glass.” Which is terrifying.
You’re thinking of ruzzia lmao.
This is the worst case scenario for Gazans and people who know them. They don’t care about Biden’s infrastructure record or Trump’s position on NATO.
No, worst case scenario involves nukes.
To you. For them they’ve already lost entire branches of their extended families. A figurative nuke already went off for them.
Oh dear, have they done anything to stop 20 years of build-up of tunnels and weapons underneath them?
Have you done anything to stop your government from building military bases?
Why would I try to stop something that I fully support? Last time I checked, the US doesn’t have a policy of slaughtering civilians.
Lol you should check what we consider to be acceptable “collateral” casualties.
Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests…
Why would enabling the genocide of Palestinians benefit US foreign policy?
Also, isn’t our current beef with Yemen and the 96% drop off in Suez traffic a direct result of Israel’s War in Gaza? Isn’t keeping the Suez open to traffic pursuant to US foreign policy?
Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying?
I think that America is a Fascist Nation enabling the will of some of the most deranged and brutal regimes in human history. Between the Israelis, the Saudis, the Indian Hinduvistas, and the Duterte/Marcos cartel in the Philippians, we’ve got - bare minimum - four Fascist regional governments that we are falling over ourselves to help perpetuate atrocities of nightmarish proportions.
Republicans and Democrats seem to be in alignment in supporting all of these horrifying campaigns of mass slaughter. If this is the future of American politics, our government deserves to fail and I pray that our failed state is wiped from the face of the Earth.
The US does not negotiate with terrorists. The US is not going to abandon it’s interests just because some anti-semitic people don’t like the US supporting Israel. It is directly contrary to the US foreign policy interests because it signals that the US is willing to abandon allies in the face of attack. Imagine if the US had withdrawn support from Israel after 9/11, an attack which was specifically in retaliation for US support of Israel.
The US does not negotiate with terrorists.
Government Negotiations with Terrorists: US Edition
Also:
Negotiating with Terrorists, from the Journal of Police Negotiation, 2001
There is no evidence that hard-line policies reduce terrorism or even discourage political extremists. It is a given that negotiation with both types of political extremist should be undertaken, with terrorists requiring very special handling. Examples of two scenarios of airplane hijackings are given with the advice that the terrorist will be a catalyst for tragedy if a misstep is made in negotiations. This article does not present solutions, but raises awareness of the difficulties involved and the need for help, even in the realm of the exotic, along with qualified special consultants being sought to offer advice.
Are you seriously incapable of viewing Biden’s actions outside of a lens related to the upcoming election?
Literally everything every politician does is towards their next re-election. Literally everything. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.
Part of representing their constituents is to satisfy the most voters to vote for them in the future. It’s not a hard concept.
This is a total non-sequitur, you don’t seem to understand the conversation you’re involved in and nothing about your other responses suggests there might be an intelligent conversation to be had were it corrected.
Yet you seem unable to debate the point. Hmmm.
It’s almost as though some people are incapable of holding two thought in their head at the same time: the RNC is absolutely fascist and pro-genocide, and Biden is doing the wrong thing in this specific situation and should be criticized for it. If all criticism of a president must stop, you live in a dictatorship. This one just happens to be a two party dictatorship where one awful party is kept from criticism by the threat of the other being even worse.
