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    I’m amazed he managed to roll a nat 20 on a d8, thats cheating on a whole new level

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      I fuckin hate this notion in modern dnd (which is a misconception in the first place) that its just “let a d20 decide: the game”. That’s not how the game has ever been played. If you wanna have goofy mad-lib games with your friends where you just roll dice and laugh that’s fine but you’ve never, in 50 years, had to roll to see if you’re able to cast Cure Wounds or Heal.

      That is a mechanic in some other games where spellcasting isn’t a guaranteed thing. But not in core Dungeons and Dragons.

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        I wish my DM would accept this. I was born with this power but I might fail to cast it? Why am I not rolling to see if I walk properly since that was a learned ability.

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          Why am I not rolling to see if I walk properly since that was a learned ability.

          Octodad: Pen&Paper edition?

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          Shadowdark has d20 rolls for spellcasting and by all accounts it’s fantastic. If you succeed the roll you cast the spell and expend no resources. If you fail you can’t cast the spell for the rest of the day. I don’t believe for a second that it’s what the OP in this post was playing though.

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        That is a mechanic in some other games where spellcasting isn’t a guaranteed thing. But not in core Dungeons and Dragons.

        Like in warhammer fantasy, where a guy i’ve played with managed to cast one spell during a fight that took 30-60 mins irl

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        didn’t dnd 2e have you roll a d20 if you cast while wearing armor? too low of a roll and the cast fails? No crit effects, just simple pass/fail, right?

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          Casting an Arcane Spell in Armor: A character who casts an arcane spell while wearing armor must usually make an arcane spell failure check. The number in the Arcane Spell Failure Chance column on Table 6–6 is the percentage chance that the spell fails and is ruined. If the spell lacks a somatic component, however, it can be cast with no chance of arcane spell failure.

          https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=361

          It was a rule in Pathfinder, so presumably it was a rule in 3e.

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          Pathfinder has that too, so it presumably carried through 3.5e. It’s why wizards don’t wear armor, and only applies to arcane casters, and classes that are meant to wear some armor like bards get exemptions for the tiers of armor they’re meant to wear.

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        I guess since in many cases you do actually need to roll a dice, like when peeforming a touch or ranged touch spell, people just assume it always happens.

        And even in this case. Cure wounds is a spell like any other and it is subject to a will saving throw. So to be correct the pc that was targeted by the spell would indeed roll in order to save from the unintended heal - but thats really just assuming the spell could be used like this, which in my interpretation it cannot.

        So again, even if the caster rolls no dice in this case, the target could. I think this leads to people thinking there must always be a roll.

        Edit: fix paragraphs

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          Will isn’t an attribute/stat in dnd 5e and the only roll one would make for cure wounds is the amount of healing applied.

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            Thats not what I said.

            Never played 5e but in 3.5e the target of the spell - not the spellcaster - can roll a dice. The target can perform a will save to reduce healing amount by half.

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    Alright, you cast heal wounds. Any wounds on the legs are healed. You are now aware that paralysis from birth is not a “wound”

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        Even with regenerate, what exactly are you regenerating? If the necessary neural pathways for the legs to work never developed in the first place, they couldn’t be “regenerated”. If this was your goal I think you might need to true polymorph a guy into “the same guy but his legs work”

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          I think it would probably require greater restoration.

          Also, regenerate would definitely work you would just have to cut his legs off first.

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            You couldn’t “restore” something to a state it’s never been in. Cutting off the legs and then casting regenerate would “regenerate” the lost pair of paralyzed legs.

        • “You touch a creature and stimulate its natural healing ability.”

          If stem cells could solve the issue, it’s possible. Turn it into a surgery, high DC medicine check, or an insane arcana check and a DM would probably let it play.

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          Simulacra and Clone, or Greater Restoration should be able to achieve the desired effect, provided a competent heal check.

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        It’s explicitly within the capabilities of a Lesser Restoration, but also I would not allow a player to cast that spell on another player if that other player didn’t want it

        Edit: also as another person said, the adult who has never used their legs before never learned how to walk, so even if they had functioning legs, it would not help

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      The problem is that newbies see this shit and think it’s normal. One in every 20 rolls is a nat 20. It just means that what you tried went as well as it possibly could have. It doesn’t make possible anything that wasn’t already

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        Their group should be setting realistic expectations for newcomers then and if they wanna do a throwaway fun session with relaxed rules they can another time.

        And if people that don’t partake think a session is this wacky wild shit, who cares? They aren’t playing.

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          I’m not taking the green text seriously in the comment you replied to, I’m complaining about the effect the general meme has had on the game

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            Memes will not ruin DnD lol.

            You can explain rules to new players or even flex the rules. It’s a game to have fun, not some sacred ritual to be protected and preserved.

            Being the “um actually” guy does nothing but turn people off of the DnD community, and I would argue does more damage than people making jokes and not understanding the rules.

            I’ve played with people that are intimidated by the rules and scope of the game. The way I handle it is just ease into it, don’t be a stickler. The most important part is having fun!

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        Y’all concern trolling about how a meme is gonna ruin your (insert thing here) is getting kinda old man.

        Shit, someone might not understand an obvious joke and then you might have to explain to a noob how the game actually works? That must be so hard for you as a master storyteller and fantasy roleplayer.

        Get real man.

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          I play with these noobs, and explaining that a nat 20 is not an automatic success on whatever the player wants comes up every other session. It’s a problem because it both makes the game more annoying for me to play, and less enjoyable for the person who thought their plan was going to succeed. I’m not concern trolling, I’m offering personal experience to the discussion

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              Session 3

              “I wanna buy a bag of holding from this guy”

              It’s gonna be 200 gp

              “We only have 50 gp between us… I’m gonna roll persuasion!”

              The DM ended up letting her get away with Prestidigitating some fake platinum pieces, which by all rights ought to get us arrested

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            The whole point of the game is what people come up with. The idea that someone trying something that isn’t going to work is a letdown is confirmation I’d never want to be in a session with you…and that is okay. We don’t have to be friends, but you’re a bad look for the community. Like, your attitude is cancer bro, no wonder you’re so upset about nothing.

            Like, you play with these people how often? Why are you playing with new people so often? It’s definitely not the fact that you’re clearly jaded and inflexible, no, it’s that you do it as a service and I’m an idiot for suggesting anything weird about you.

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              You are really trying to pretend that you know literally anything about me

              Bottom line is, these memes misrepresent what D&D (and TTRPGs in general) is like, and that’s why I don’t like them. I have a similar problem with the super popular actual play shows. The Mercer Effect is real

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        Should it not be up to the DM? Sounds like the players here had a good time. Srsly this is what keeps players from DND: people who stick way too much to the rules

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          Sounds like the players here had a good time.

          That’s your read on the story?

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          “David, my character was paralyzed from birth, you can’t just—”

          Oh yeah it sounds like he’s super into it

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        One in every 20 rolls is a nat 20

        …no, no. this is not how probability works, even if it should seem to given the way we describe the odds.

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          On average. On average. On average!

          One in every 20 rolls is a nat 20, ON AVERAGE. That’s how probability works. Are you happy now that I corrected it? Was it worth leaving the most pedantic comment on the entire internet?

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            On average.

            yes, that’s the important part the OP left out. You stated

            One in every 20 rolls is a nat 20

            this is incorrect.

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              You’re right, it’s only roughly one in every 20 rolls. It’s only almost precisely one in every 20 rolls. It’s only a 5% chance, which some would say is literally synonymous with “one in every 20 rolls,” which isn’t strictly true, because it’s possible to have more or less than one natural 20 in any run of 20 rolls, because it’s only one in every 20 rolls on average.

              I’ve been arguing about the portal paradox all day and these comments have gotten on my nerves more than anyone trying to explain to me that the cube isn’t moving

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                You’re right, it’s only roughly one in every 20 rolls. It’s only almost precisely one in every 20 rolls. It’s only a 5% chance, which some would say is literally synonymous with “one in every 20 rolls,” which isn’t strictly true, because it’s possible to have more or less than one natural 20 in any run of 20 rolls, because it’s only one in every 20 rolls on average.

                Glad we can agree.

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    Bad DM.

    Nat 20 doesn’t just let you do whatever. Cure wounds could easily be interpreted as returning the body to its natural state as the soul percieves it. If wanted his legs back more than anything so much that his soul held onto it like phantom pain, then I would say maybe a Greater Restoration could if he wanted that.

    But if he’d grown accoustomed to his new life and his new legs and no longer sought to “restore” anything, having made peace with his injury, then no, greater restoration would just restore him to his own healthy self image. And a spell like cure wounds would do absolute dick.

    I’d love to let this play out, narrate the lack of effect of this spell, and kick this asshole from the table.

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        Interesting question. I suppose it would in the version I laid out. And why not. Hahahah.

        Honestly could make for an extremely compelling character arc to explore, but may hit close to home for some players

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      My read of simple HP restoring magical healing, at least in D&D, is simply that it is equivalent to accelerated natural healing with no potential for complications. So if whatever ailment you’re trying to heal wouldn’t also be healed by any arbitrary amount of rest and recuperation then Cure Wounds won’t cut it either.

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      narrate the lack of effect of this spell, and kick this asshole from the table.

      You had me in the first half. First 95%

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      Cure wounds could easily be interpreted as

      It could far easier be interpreted as healing what the caster or their god perceives to be a wound, since IT’S THEM THAT DOES THE DAMN CURING.

      I get inclusion, I really do. And if you wanna go there, the guy playing the cleric is a prick if he’s doing this to a disabled guy’s character. But you’re not escaping this with logic, because disabled guy is also a prick.

      You’re in a universe of immortal gods, magic, amazing tech and telling stories. Don’t you dare pretend there’s any ailment that can’t be healed by some random cleric of Waukeen or Kol Korran, both being deities of wealth that would approve of their priests being basically traveling salesmen, exchanging healing for money. You can cure anything for the right amount of gold, and let’s not all act like we wouldn’t want our walking/eyesight/hearing/whatever restored, and actively work to pay for one of these services.

      Some of the traits we want to give our characters just don’t translate into this magical world, and there’s no ruling where a DM can still have it make sense if the cleric is in character when doing this. What you want to ask yourself before you get to this situation is, would this guy have seriously been crippled all his life and was never able to raise the few hundred gold for a healing spell? And would an adventuring party even want him on?

      This should’ve been nixed at session 0 if not all players agree that this setting allows for incurable disabilities/diseases. Cause I for sure don’t want a cleric in my party that “isn’t allowed” to remove curses or heal. Oh, he’s wheelchair-bound? The party exits the pub, you are unable to catch up to them as there are some stairs in the way. This is life without wheelchair ramps, better get used to some boring sessions ahead. Unless you wanna explore a dungeon and see if falling down stairs while stuck in a chair is gonna be easy to survive for your lvl1 wizard.

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        It could far easier be interpreted as healing what the caster or their god perceives to be a wound, since IT’S THEM THAT DOES THE DAMN CURING.

        If the caster doesnt know how Tieflings are naturally supposed to look, are they going to then heal them of their “deformities” and remove their horns? I’d very much argue the caster’s intent is irrelevent. And as others have noted, there is lore of how cure wores operates to accelerate natural healing, not just reality warp into a perfect body. Splint a break and heal it, done. Cure wounds on a fresh cut, done. Cure wounds on a 10 year old scar? Thats not a wound. No effect. Otherwise no one in DnD would have any scars, even cool ones.

        because disabled guy is also a prick.

        You are searching hard for reasons to argue against this. Just wanting to be how you are is not being a prick.

        You’re in a universe of immortal gods, magic, amazing tech and telling stories. Don’t you dare pretend there’s any ailment that can’t be healed by some random cleric of Waukeen or Kol Korran, both being deities of wealth that would approve of their priests being basically traveling salesmen, exchanging healing for money. You can cure anything for the right amount of gold, and let’s not all act like we wouldn’t want our walking/eyesight/hearing/whatever restored, and actively work to pay for one of these services.

        By this logic, no character in DnD should ever have scars, or exist with anything but a pristine body. And yet, some of the most famous characters out there have scars and missing fingers. How odd.

        Some of the traits we want to give our characters just don’t translate into this magical world, and there’s no ruling where a DM can still have it make sense if the cleric is in character when doing this. What you want to ask yourself before you get to this situation is, would this guy have seriously been crippled all his life and was never able to raise the few hundred gold for a healing spell?

        Usually no. A few hundred gold in most settings is actually quite a large amount for a non-adventurer.

        And would an adventuring party even want him on?

        Because the disabled are without worth if they inconvenience the party even slightly? Nevermind that all your ranting aboht how magic could affect the body could much more cheaply and immediately apply to objects like a wheelchair, and thus make sense for them to have worked around their disability than to have afforded some of the most expensive healing that exists to treat it.

        This should’ve been nixed at session 0 if not all players agree that this setting allows for incurable disabilities/diseases.

        Yea I don’t think that most see “curing my disabled friend by force” as something that session 0 would even need to touch on. Most of these spells have “willing creature” as an assumed condition.

        Cause I for sure don’t want a cleric in my party that “isn’t allowed” to remove curses or heal. Oh, he’s wheelchair-bound? The party exits the pub, you are unable to catch up to them as there are some stairs in the way. This is life without wheelchair ramps, better get used to some boring sessions ahead. Unless you wanna explore a dungeon and see if falling down stairs while stuck in a chair is gonna be easy to survive for your lvl1 wizard.

        This whole paragraph again is some hateful ableist shit with 0 imagination. I’m not even going to bother listing the dozens of simple creative solutions to “omg stairs!” that escape you, and simply point out that, again, cure wounds is a low level healing spell not even a greater restoration. And long-term scars and illnesses canonically exist in DnD. So get over yourself. If the player doesnt want “cure my legs” to be their whole fucking quest, then let them have their magical wheelchair with equivalent mobility and move the fuck on.

        Jesus its not even hard. “The wheels of my contraption have a minor strength buff so i can push it easily, and some years later a kind enchanter cast a permanent low grade spider climb on the wheels so i can go up stairs and uneven terrain fairly easily now. It’s not strong enough to climb walls, unfortunately. But I appreciated it immensely all the same. I get around as well as most now, I suppose. Still can’t see over countertops all the time though.”

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      I am unsure from what this is from, but I once read a story in which a form of healing magic exists. One requirement for it to work was that the person being healed needs to be OK with it. If someone tried to cure your paralyzed legs and you don’t want them to be “fixed” as you don’t view as an issue or being paralyzed is just part of how you are, then the magic can’t work on you.

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    I refused the heal because I heard it causes autism.

    Yes, Int is my dump stat, why do you ask?

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      I will never understand these people. Like, even if vaccines did cause autism… do you really find us that offensive?

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        Hehe, indeed. Although they moved onto “vaccines put microchips in you to let Bill Gates control you” so who knows. (Side note, autistic people are chill, significantly less likely to ruin my night with bullshit, lol)

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          No no no, you got it all wrong The vaccines put microchips in you so that Bill Gates can activate COVID in you. But it works only when you’re within 5G radio range

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    … Ranlar slowly rises from his wheelchair before collapsing under his own weight as his atrophied legs give out. Your party must now find a way to move him away from the orcs without using his newly healed legs, perhaps on a nearby chair with wheels.

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        I cast heal on my muscles to make them stronger than they were before, since I guess that’s how it works now?

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            I have wondered about using it post… Other things. Do healing spells reduce your refractory period? Could someone get Ed Greenwood to weigh in on this?

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              I think the refractory period is a hormone response and not tissue damage/fatigue. It could be ‘healed’ in a similar way horniness, PMS, pregnancy, tiredness (but not the need for sleep), hunger, and moods can be ‘healed’.

              It could also be a peripheral autonomic feedback response, in which case it could be ‘healed’ in a similar way to suppressing automatic breathing, bowel movements, automatic reflexes, and possibly the fine tuning of balance.

              Such a spell could porobably exist, alongside a suite of other weird spells that were likely developed first, like Calm Emotions or unnamed but almost guaranteed to exist contraceptive spells. Some debuff spells of a unique variety could be quite interesting too, with breathing suppression being the rare effect that would require an intelligence save.

              A potion would probably be the cheaper option though; plain old erection juice should suffice.

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    A 20 does not mean the spell achieves something out of its capabilities, what is this five year olds playing DnD?

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      Honestly, as a DM, when this doesn’t infringe on other player’s fun like here I don’t mind doing extraordinary stuff for the Nat 20

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        Taking away someone’s intentional, roleplayed disability definitely falls under “infringing on someone’s fun”, though. If the player (not just the character) is also disabled and trying to represent themselves in the game, this goes beyond infringing on fun straight into lowkey offensive. I would never let this nat 20 work. Maybe it fixes the wheelchair or something.

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          Main issue is the wheelchair itself. No adventurer would ever use a wheelchair, the only reason we can use wheelchairs now are uniform roads and ada mandated ramps. Magic carpets exist and are cheap in game and don’t make you a liability.

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            I mean, have you considered a dwarven wheelchair made from the shields of the fallen, using their frames for wheels that grant comparable protection while gaining grip compared with a wooden spoke?

            Or a druidic wheelchair of entire roots that bonded to the druid when they were mortally wounded on the forest, bonding them permanently?

            Or a warlock who walks with an artificial leg of miasma and lurching tentacles that his patron restored him to in exchange for his soul debt?

            Literally no reason and no way a wheelchair in game is more a liability than some geriatric old fucking wozard breaking his hip or your characters having a concussion and needing an EMT.

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              1. Though better than the alternative it would still be terrible on any uphill.

              2. Roots bonding to the lower body would not form a wheelchair, more like darth maul spider legs.

              3. That’s a leg, not a wheelchair.

              In every scenario, using any magic would circumvent the disability in a way that ends up mimicking walking while not being a liability.

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              I find it odd that there is tons of room to make a wheel chair work in the game but not the spell.

              It’s a shared adventure, I’d let lots of things fly for the sake of fun and interest.

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                If I cast “Greater Restoration” and say I’m going to cure your of your Warlock pact, and roll a nat 20, and you are vehemently against this, it’s not “for the sake of fun” if I go ahead and “cure” you of your chosen character traits and path.

                I hear you, and I’m not rigid in spell use within reason, but this is well outside just RAW and more into the latter part of everyone having fun at the table. Your fun shouldn’t come at the expense of another player having to give up agency over their character, which are personal avatars people can sometimes be quite attached to.

                If you’re in a table where characters are dying left and right maybe they aren’t. But even then, if they don’t want it, that’s the red line. Just like using Mind Control on a party member to do something unspeakable. RAW could they? Sure. But unless this is a game built on betrayals or where players are expecting a PvP element, absolutely not. Because the IRL consequences of this and the real anger a player at the table may feel trump mechanics.

                Everything in moderation, everything on balance. Player agency is something you should try not to let other players trample on. And even as a DM, it should be subtle or not at all when you are moving the scenery to guide something. Again, subjective.

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            Why do people think this? Like, I’m not mad at you, just amazed at how common this belief is.

            Wheelchairs were around, and in use on surfaces that were abysmal in comparison to modern ones, but they worked.

            Whether or not an adventurer would use one is a different issue, but folks really don’t know shit about wheelchairs it seems.

            I’m not saying it would be fun, or easy, but I’ve been out in the woods on paths barely wide enough to fit a chair, and had people, my patients, push themselves the entire way, lumps, ruts, rocks, roots and all. And rubber tires aren’t magic for that. They help, but they don’t make the impossible possible, just the edge cases easier.

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              Because this is a FANTASY WORLD with MAGIC and BETTER ALTERNATIVES.

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                Quoting you

                … the only reason we can use wheelchairs now are uniform roads and ada mandated ramps.

                That is not about the fantasy world, unless ada means All Drow Associated or something, though why drow would mandate ramps, I have no idea. Maybe because spiders don’t like steps?

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                  So your fantasy world has asphalt roads and uniform sidewalks and paved connections between every village? If your 99.9% of dnd games you are playing in the mideaval era world with magic. So just use the fucking magic items.

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          I believe they were saying that this is a situation where it does infringe on other player’s fun

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          If I’m DM I’d say they cast the spell exceptionally well and… it does nothing. They can do something very well that doesn’t do anything special.

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        I have had players make persuasion checks against me before when they want to do something that’s explicitly outside the rules but I think it would be cool. Depending on how cool I think it would be, the DC can be anywhere from 10 to 20, and the player doesn’t have proficiency

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          That’s another good idea ! I want to create an environment that incentivizes player creativity soo this could be fun :)

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          Yes, but in table top unless you signed up for a PvP game, other players don’t get to dictate how your character is. And even the DM shouldn’t railroad.

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          the GM can make players do things they don’t want, if players disagree it is at best a contested check but in almost all cases the controlling player controls their own character

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      D&D is ultimately a set of rules to guide a group improv storytelling session. One of the first rules of improv is “yes and” so you go with it within the confines of the game rules as well as what people are comfortable with. This is where /u/starbuck@lemmy.world’s suggestion of “Ranlar slowly rises from his wheelchair before collapsing under his own weight as his atrophied legs give out. Your party must now find a way to move him away from the orcs without using his newly healed legs, perhaps on a nearby chair with wheels.” Fits so well. It "yes and"s the spell while remaining true to the other player’s wishes.

      The DMs job is to maintain the fun for the players, and if one player is ruining others fun they need to be spoken with and kicked out if they aren’t able to be a team player. Personally, I treat a NAT20 (and critical failures) as an opportunity to do something comical that helps advance the story and improve the lore, because that creates the moments you tell to others when sharing fun stories about D&D

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        I don’t know, but i would say you can’t restore anything since his legs never worked. This is more like a deck of many things situation

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    I once ran a campaign based on Fred Saberhagen’s books of swords. I’m the books there are twelve swords that would be considered greater artifacts. One of my players was playing a pacifist. He picked up the sword called Townsaver while his village was being invaded. Anyone who has read the books knows this same situation happens right at the beginning of the series. The sword takes over, because it’s power is to force anyone who holds it to protect unarmed innocents. He proceeded to slaughter the invading force. He was devastated.

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        It’s worth reading the whole series of you’re interested. They aren’t awesome, but they are fairly quick reads, and the way he resolves the story is interesting.

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      House: “I roll for perception”
      Wilson: “You rolled a 1”
      House: “It’s Lupus”

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    This thread has helped my understanding why new players I meet to are so intimidated by the game. It seems many people favor strict rule following over just having a good time.

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    Everyone’s correctly pointing out how healing doesn’t with that way, how about changing someone’s body against their will being totally evil and not good?

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      It would depend on the god. A god of strength or perfection would see anything that makes you stronger as a good thing.

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        I have a character idea for a cleric that idolizes the god of pain.

        They focus almost entirely on healing because you can’t keep suffering if you’re dead, if you’re alive you can grow stronger, and therefore, in their own twisted mind, if you’re suffering you’re growing stronger.

        They don’t heal people right away unless not doing so would cause them to die and end their suffering. Instead, if the battle is over, they pull out a chart and start asking about how painful the wound is. This can be excruciating for the one who has to sit there and answer questions until they get healed.

        The other portion of their build would focus on fighting the undead because they are abominations who cannot feel pain and cannot grow stronger because of it

        The god goes along with it because their normal clerics may be into torture, which is great for pain, but they tend to get hunted down because of their extreme methods. This cleric causes pain indirectly by being surrounded by a bunch of murderhobos.

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          Fits pretty well for a grave cleric. They perform best when healing from the brink of death. Spare the dying becomes more like study the dying lol

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    it’s a fucking magic setting if anything the wheelchair should be faster than running

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      Wheelchairs only work because of modern paving and asphalt. Cobblestone and dirt roads would never accommodate a wheelchair. Magic carpets are right there.

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        Legit, it would depend on the chair.

        Assuming no rubber or equivalent, the ride would be bumpy as hell, but doable on a well packed road, or relatively well laid stone. I’ve pushed patients over both surfaces, and seen plenty of patients do it themselves.

        Gravel is the real pain in the ass. You get a fresh gravel path, and good luck with most wheelchairs that aren’t powered and/or have narrow wheels. Way more effort.

        On something like cobblestones, you might even have an easier time moving yourself without rubber tires.

        For short distances, even a poorly packed but dry dirt path isn’t bad.

        Remember, wheelchairs annually predate asphalt by a good bit, and existed before sidewalks and such were evenly paved. Some of the older examples from the Victorian era were used on city streets that were unpaved entirely, and impassable when wet, but managed to work over the dried ruts.

        Same with unpaved dirt paths that would be poorly maintained. I’ve had patients in chairs push themselves down paths in the woods while hunting, with things growing in the path, rocks not fully cleared, etc. That’s modern chairs, but the fundamental design is more robust regarding surfaces than you’d think

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          But why would anyone do any of this when there are objectively better options for representing the disability and having a fun whimsical option. Magic carpet or magic chair and now you can fly where bring a different set of skills. As a Druid, Growths of trees and roots could form spider like appendages. A warlock can use his patrons power to create a new set of magical legs or always be floating. Warforged legs could be used in place of your own. An artificers leg armor would be able to keep cripples person walking. Many many options and you choose the blue shirt basic human fighter battlemaster.

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            All of which has nothing to do with how wheelchairs work in the real world, which is the part I was responding to.

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              Exactly! You’re in the magic setting where most people can do magic or have access to magical things. Wheelchairs become even more useless than they were in ancient times, especially for an adventurer who presumably will be on unpaved and akward roads.

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                  You’re trying to fit something that has no place being in the setting. Just pick the infinitely cooler options that do fit or don’t have your character have this particular disability.

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        Its an off road all terrain chair with enchanted wheels.

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          At that point just enchant your legs, or make warforged legs, or be a druid and attach roots to your legs like spider legs, or use the same thing but also provides other utility, A MAGIC CARPET.