What’s The meme here?
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren’t (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
Thanks
I can read.
You did not answer the question.
What’s the meme here?
Congrats, you’ve become the meme here
At least now there is one. Happy to help.
Missed opportunity to use the “Look at me, I’m the meme now” meme as your response to becoming the meme.
Memes are a form of cultural expression, spread from one person to another. This post is a meme. It’s not humorous but it is a meme
No, memes follow or aim to create a template / macro. This is just a snapshot of a Twitter post.
I would classify this as a combo INFOSEC and “OK boomer” meme, ie, “Lol, you trust _____ with that info? OK boomer”
15 years or so ago I would’ve classified it as a conspiracy nutjob meme, but that’s the state of politics.
abortion ban
Didnt you know? Screenshots of text are they new memes
Mods should remove posts which don’t stay on topic
They should, but this is a political topic meme.
But it’s not
Good one. As far as I can tell there are no moderators.
I tell every doctor “a few weeks ago” and then when they suggest a date I say yes. So every doctor has a different day lol. Hopefully that doesn’t come back to bite me
I hope you don’t live in an abortion ban state, because that very well could come back to bite you
That makes me soooo fucking angry
I thought you meant:
Doctor: “when was your last period?”
Me: “a few weeks ago.”
Doctor: “date?”
Me: yes
Doctor: great I’ll pick you up at 8
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Hey if you’re on hormonal birth control I think you can just tell them you use the method that gets rid of periods (not taking the placebo week and just continuing with the hormone pills, this is safe if you also just don’t want to have periods link)
I have an iud and besides a short time after having one removed to get pregnant with my daughter haven’t had my period in uh, 9 years? I just tell them I don’t have a period and haven’t in years and they accept that readily
If you live in a deep red state even that info will be used against you. The GOP wants to make women brood sows and any type of birth control is considered murder/going against God’s plan.
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Land of the thief, home of the slave.
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The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.
If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.
Interesting, the one who doesn’t want to burn your house down is equal to the person who does want to burn your house down in your mind?
Neither one wants to do what you want so both are equally bad to you, what a shit take.
The solution is to remove the danger, or else your house willburn down sooner or later.
That’s not an option you have right now.
The choice is between burning it down NOW or not.
their answer to raging forest fires destroying 1000s of homes each year:
just put it out bro. it’s so easy, lol.
You should probably ask yourself why you don’t have the option to actually reduce harm. Republicans jave no problem getting their representatives to do what they want. So why do Democrats struggle so much?
Because the Democrats are the big tent party. Republicans are backed by a bunch of idiots, WASPS, and single issue voters. The Democrats have entire core elements that vary by state and region, from urban progressive whites to rural socially conservative minorities sith both groups only agreeing on economics for example.
The fact is up until recently the Democrats have had to juggle even more groups that have fallen off, for example in my area there is an Iranian minority that used to back the Democrats but have turned to the Republicans because of LGBTQ issues, because they are a bigoted bunch of weaklings.
The point is that the Dems have been fighting themselves as much as the Republicans, which has hindered them quite a lot. The reason for the increased effectiveness in recent times is due to some demographics shrinking, disappearing, or otherwise realigning with more of the national average. Also the Republicans got a helluva lot worse.
How do we remove the danger? Specifically? Things the average person can do that will actually help.
All the average person can do is tell their representatives at the local and federal level what they expect in exchange for their vote. “Vote Blue no matter who” doesntlead to amy actual change unless you leverage your vote for actual policy changes. MAGA is the open admission of what the GOP has been pushing the last few decades actually realized. Republicans who didn’t offer what the base wanted were replaced by people willing to push for that reprehensible agenda. Pressure you representatives to actually protect human rights and replace them if theu won’t do it. The people have actual power, progressives have jist been conditioned to not wield ot since that threatens the power structure in Washington.
I’m very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I’m unfamiliar with?
And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don’t, they’re just as bad?
They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.
Something bad isn’t made better just because you compare it to something worse.
Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn’t a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it’s a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.
Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt.
I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.
States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.
You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn’t ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!
Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn’t have been undone. I don’t know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.
You didn’t answer the question.
I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Then why goto the doctor for a checkup?
This is likely in the context of abortion bans in some US states. Presumably they still trust the doctor to do a regular checkup for everything else.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they’re asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
She’s not wrong, a doctor doesn’t need specifics for a checkup.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that’s probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women’s wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don’t document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion. A prosecutor can potentially use the timing of that previous period to suggest fetal age at the time of a future abortion may be greater than the law allows.
Doctors don’t need that information. Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion.
Yes, I understand that. I practice pediatric medicine in the most conservative state in the nation.
Doctors don’t need that information.
Again, this is circumstantial. Menstruation cycles are still very important to certain types of medical care. It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
Most of the reasons why physicians ask these questions is purely out of concern for your health and for liability purposes. Certain medications can be dangerous to prescribe to a person who is unknowingly pregnant.
Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
I wasn’t validating the insurance companies reasoning, just informing why physicians and other medical providers may ask these questions.
You’ll have to start buying tampons in bulk, lest retail starts telling on you
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
It’s like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can’t trust them if you’re potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It’s gross
Yeah, women should just avoid doctors and routine checkups altogether/S
Fuck, not being able to trust your doctor because some bootlicker in a suit has passed (or is trying to) a law defining your body’s natural processes as a potential murder case?
Fuck these fascist Republican scumbags.
My country has free healthcare. Doctors do not get any info unless you give them, because you keep the files.
If these fuckers get their way, I will, at some point, start seeing murder cases where the perpetrator is a woman and default to thinking that the charges are bullshit because of this.
Yup, and once they fully ban abortion, birth control is next, followed by taking away womens right to choose if they have kids or not. Meaning all girls will have a set amount of time to have their required number of children, following their first period.
What do you think happens with universal systems?
Any doctor office I walk into, gets my entire history based on my PHIN… which is required for me to provide in order to get service.
whoosh
Use AI to identify republicans based on their data, institute shadow bans and silent monetary fines wherever they go outside of their fascist states, and use the fines to finance reproductive health options for the women in their states. Watch the depends diapers fly.
Biggest freedom of opinion supporter on Lemmy
To be fair, you could have the best doctor in the world. The second they enter those dates into the database with the rest of your notes it is out of their hands. The IT department will be responsible for handing over the data.
The IT department would never be responsible for handing over said data. Backing it up, making sure it was recoverable, sure. But IT would have no actions with such.
I assume it would be the HR department or the administrators
Legal will tell the IT department to preserve it and hand it over.
And they will not. You no nothing about IT do you? All obligations and no pay grade. Never does IT go outside their poor ass pay. HR (Legal) as you say, will have to transfer it. Not in our pay grade
You’re talking as if there are no MAGA assholes and corporate cocksuckers that work in IT. I hate to break it to you…
Leaking information and providing information to a warranted search I would consider vastly different.
I’m not sure what that has to do with what I said.
This.
I have a (well managed) chronic illness. I have to go to lots of doctors at different clinics. All of them are in the habit of just collecting all the information.
For example, as a patient, there’s no benefit to me whatsoever of the doctor being aware of the day and month of my birth. That’s just the start though, they have my medical concession id number, addresses, et cetera.
If you express any reluctance at all, you’re made to feel like a pariah. Like a COVID denier or something. For example, there was one clinic I want sure I would continue with, so when I was asked to fill out my details I asked whether it was really necessary given that I might not come on board as a patient, the receptionist and doctor just couldn’t understand why I might be reluctant.
Last time I saw my GP he asked whether he could record our conversation… “it’s some AI thing we’re trialling”. OMFG. Why on earth would I want that? Why would anyone want that? I want my GP who is an actual person to listen to my circumstances and determine the best course of action.
Worth mentioning but health screening is a great use of AI.
Also worth mentioning.
Ask for fucking consent.
AI model training is off the fucking rails right now and we really need laws and lawsuits to punish assholes.
they did, they literally asked them to fill out forms.
Sorry, maybe I should clarify that to “informed consent” - if someone shoves an eighty page ToS in front of you to use the services of their private hospital you may be giving consent technically but it’s not informed consent.
Day and Month of Birth is a basic check to see if you are who you say you are, if you are refusing to give even basic details like that I can see why the medical staff who deal with you would give you confused/annoyed expressions
To be clear, I don’t refuse to provide my Day and Month of Birth, simply because I don’t want to be some kind of privacy pariah.
That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don’t believe that remains the case in 2024.
The basic concept of Australian Privacy Legislation is that organisations ought to collect only that information which they require, and they should disclose the reason why they are collecting that data.
If the only reason to collect ones Day and Month of birth is so I can repeat it back and confirm it later then that seems very pointless to me. There are other details which they do require which can be used to confirm my identity.
That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don’t believe that remains the case in 2024.
It’s useful for quickly disambiguating between multiple people with the same name though - the odds that two people with the same name and date of birth are using the same provider on the same day are low enough to consider it useful.
I’m certain that fewer than 0.1% of patients at a small medical clinic would share the same first and last names. In those cases, you could differentiate by address and age if necessary.
I think you underestimate how common the most common first and last names are. In an even small city you are likely to see repeats of the most common names.
Does that really matter?
Differentiate some other way.
Huh?
No period dates now, means no abortion/pregnancy tracking later
I’m going to guess this person lives in one of those shithole theocracies.
Yeah, the post said it right at the end. America.
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I distrust doctors, but mostly because at least 70% of them are just prescription ChatGPT’s
So I’m assuming you go to Bing for medical advice?
Any woman who votes for the right at this point is voting for the handmaid’s tale. Ending no fault divorce, ending a woman’s right to choose, tracking women’s periods, and the list goes on. The right is trying to roll back women’s rights little by little.
Oh I get it, it’s in response to pregnancy tracking bills in the making. I just thought she was anti-medicine in general, at first.
I’m sure you get it, but this is kinda for whoever is out of the loop on this.
Yeah, right now the meta for pro-choice women is to delete and remove all period tracking apps under the assumption the apps will snitch directly to the government on you, so that, say, Texas lawmakers will know if your period is overdue, and thus you are expected to be possibly pregnant. Then, if that data leads them to certain conclusions, they assume an abortion has happened, and they want that fully criminalized.
It is not unlikely to expect an incarceration in order to “protect the life of the baby”, even if you have made no move toward abortion, but once the tracker app and its data tell the patriarchy that you might be pregnant, all bets are off.
Even worse is that sometimes a woman’s period is just irregular, or even disappears for a time, especially if she’s on some serious athletics and a tight diet, so there’s a lot of room for false positive “pregnant” results with possible felony charges on the line, over the fucking tracker app on your phone.
The same situation drives the daughter’s actions, doctors will often snitch, and the problem of anti-choice doctors getting you incarcerated because they think you might be pregnant is well known.
Basically this information is now expected to be used to monitor for pregnancy, possibly by law enforcement directly, and it becomes very compromising, especially for a teen girl who already lacks the rights she needs to take herself away from unwanted situations and states. She also likely wants to normalize this behavior for herself, so that others wanting to hide pregnancy do not set off “red flags” when they try to maintain privacy.
Wow. America’s a scary place.
It is if you view it through this fucked up lens, sure.
The scare tactic “Fox News” approach alive and well here, I see.
Dude. How many links do you want to current horror-level news stories involving anti-abortion laws? And I mean the stuff that’s covered by ten of the biggest outlets across the country, minimum.
I just mean compared to the country I live in.
Bald eagle freedom screech intensifies.
Fun fact: the famous bald eagle freedom screech as we know it from the movies is not from an eagle, it’s the scream of a red-tailed hawk.
These days it’s actually the screech of the yellow bellied, tail tucked misogynist.
They actually sound like deranged seagulls. I think that sound is probably more on the nose for what is going on in the US.
Okay, not entirely educated on female menstruation person here.
Does the period cycle change or is it consistent over time? Like is it about tracking a woman’s pattern and if there’s a change… that’s the flag?
It’s about the cycle stopping and then starting again, suggesting that the person was pregnant until she wasn’t again.
Exactly, and it’s not just about abortion. Well it is, but abortion isn’t the only cause. Miscarriages are common, and unfortunately these days miscarriages of fetuses and of justice go hand in hand.
Upvoted for semantics
Thank you, I’m proud of my turn of phrase and disappointed and enraged at my country
