“We elected him once and our boat isn’t flying!1! Why isn’t he doing anything?!?” (/s)
Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries. And he’s risen to maybe middle-of-the-pack by his actions (that is to say, I wasn’t expecting much, but I was mildly pleasantly surprised), compared to his 2020 peers. I’m not exactly his fucking fanboy, I just recognize that he’s not a Republican fucking ghoul. But the way people seem to judge actions in complete ignorance of how our government works, or of how fucking byzantine the processes even just for passing, much less implementing, legislature is… it’s exhausting, frustrating, and infuriating.
Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries.
Behind Bloomberg and DeLaney.
DeLaney wasn’t even on my radar. I apologize for being an ardent Bernie voter with Warren as my second choice; I understand that basically makes me a conservative in the eyes of Lemmy’s Very Serious Leftist Brigade.
Cue Aamon’s Punished Bernie.
Oh well, now we get to choose between stagnation and decline or a fairly rapid fall into christian nationalism.
Anyway, fun thing I learned: It only costs $400 USD to apply for a residency permit to Ecuador, all you have to do is prove you have over roughly $1500 of reliable income a month.
You can rent a fully furnished studio apartment for $350, like a modern apartment, kind that goes for thousands in Sea, SF or LA. A few places have very reliable public transit for a quarter, groceries cost something like a third or less than they do in the US. Also, Ecuador features a diverse range of microclimates where you can almost certainly find something you will love.
Downsides: Youre going to need to learn at least some spanish, do not go to Guyanquil, and be prepared for the power and internet to brown out with some regularity. Also in many places you will probably want a water filter.
Though for many in the US, unreliable power, internet and water likely won’t be that different.
Edit: Also crime statistics.
While Ecuador is basically only in the Western media recently for its ‘skyrocketing’ murder rate, and yes there have been lockdowns and curfews… comparing most of the affordable cities in Ecuador to most cities in the US I would ever be able to afford to live in, nearly every crime statistic, including murder, is significantly less.
Bernie voter with Warren as my second choice
If you say so.
A little later:
“Okay SURE the boat is flying but as a strong leftist advocate I really think it’s problematic how he’s treated the underpaid people who build flying boat motors, and I think we need to focus more on what Biden should be doing better to convince me to vote for him against the hole-drilling-and-baby-punching club, because I think probably I’ll sit this one out”
Also “sure, the boat’s flying now and we aren’t drowning, but what we really need is to get to land, being in a boat doesn’t even make sense. So I’m going to sit this one out because both parties want us in the boat. What’s that? The other party’s trying to sink the boat before we get to land? I don’t care, it’s about the principle of wanting to be on land!”
“I don’t see the boat flying, see this is the whole problem with the Democrats is that when people tell them they’re HURTING they just break out all these figures about altitude and tell you to stick your hand out the boat and see if you can touch the water, that’s super condescending and not very productive and unresponsive to criticism, it’s like a cult man, blue MAGA amirite, so anyway I’m definitely not voting for them NOW because now you hurt my feelings.”
Wait I’m confused by this digression, is the boat still sinking? Do I need to keep baling water?
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I can understand being unwilling to vote for Biden because he’s supporting genocide. That, taken by itself, is perfectly reasonable.
Why aren’t those otherwise intelligent, thoughtful people looking at the bigger picture, though?
Don’t they understand that under Trump, things will be much worse? What’s their moral rationale for allowing fascism to take over America, and empowering untold numbers of reprehensible people? I’m trying to understand, but I just don’t get it.
They don’t seem to understand that the Israel/Palestine situation is not on the ballot this November; does anyone actually think Trump would oppose Israel? Even if he personally wanted to, his supporters are all nominal Christians who would turn on him in an instant if he suddenly stopped supporting God’s Chosen People.
Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?
Can anyone explain to me how the Nazis and pro-Israel crowds seem to be so friendly at the moment? It’s almost like this has nothing to do with Israel.
Except for the anti-Semites, who make up a decent chunk of his active base. Or are they also pro-Israel?
Yes.
Antisemite support of Israel is very common, because antisemites:
- Have a lot of overlap with fundies, who believe that Israel MUST exist for the apocalypse to occur
- Enjoy the thought of an ethnostate where they can deport all the Jews to
- Hate Muslims more than Jews
The Cristo-fascists are actively hoping for an Armageddon situation to bring about all their end of world predictions. The IDF may belong to a different abrahamic cult but they’re useful for fomenting that chaos in the region and lighting the lamp for jeebus or whatever the fuck they believe
They understand perfectly and that’s why they’re making it on the ballot. So what’s it going to be: continue supporting genocide and lose votes or stop supporting genocide and gain votes? Seems like an obvious choice, but maybe you’re too smart and understand too much over the masses you look down upon.
Unfortunately most of Biden’s voting base hasn’t paid attention to politics since 243BC so they still think Israel is the good guy
It is on the ballot if the voters put it there. If the voters say “I’ll vote for you no matter what you do or don’t do about the genocide”, then it isn’t on the ballot.
Bur you wouldn’t be voting against genocide. Both options support it. Not voting will also reault in one of the supporters winning.
Maybe I will vote for someone who is against genocide. I know they won’t win, but I will not vote for genocide. If someone told me I had to shoot one baby, or else they would shoot two babies, I still wouldn’t shoot the one baby. I can’t do anything to stop the genocide, but that doesn’t mean I have to support it.
America is fascist already. Study history and you’ll understand.
If you want to understand, I can explain fairly simply.
Consider this thought experiment. We are getting $100 to split, but only if they can agree on how to split it: I get to make an offer, then you choose whether to accept. If you announce that you’ll accept whatever deal so long as accepting is better than the alternative - that is, that you’ll act “rationally” - then the rational thing for me to do is to offer you only $1, while I get $99. Researchers have actually tested this game in real life, however, and it generally doesn’t play out that way. Why? Because the numbers don’t tell the whole story of what you’re giving up by accepting a bad deal. Once you’ve demonstrated that you’ll accept a deal like that, then you’re communicating something about your behavior for all future deals. It may be rational in the context of a closed experiment, but for the general case, our minds know better than what may appear “rational” at first glance. If you tell me, “I will refuse anything less than $30,” then you are openly declaring that you intend to behave “irrationally” and trying to convince me that you will - and it would most likely produce better results than behaving “rationally.”
The moment that you say, “My only condition for voting for the democrats is that they be better than the republicans, who are unimaginably horrible,” you have sacrificed every ounce of bargaining power that you could’ve wielded. So the real calculation is not “Who’s better between Trump and Biden,” but rather, is the difference between Trump and Biden worth sacrificing all my bargaining power?" And for me, the fact that Biden is supporting genocide makes that decision very easy and straightforward. I’d rather at least try to leverage what power I have against genocide altogether, rather than supporting the “lesser genocide.” If I cannot set even something like genocide as a red line, then I am very clearly communicating to politicians that they can count on my vote no matter what they do, and they have no reason to ever consider my political priorities.
And yet your actions will lead to “more genocide” while you go and jerk off in the mirror with your newly gained bargaining power! Good job!
Good job!
Thank you!
This is a false equivalence though: In the thought experiment, you denying to split ensures that none of you get anything. In this real-world scenario, you refusing to make a choice between more or less genocide increases the chances of “more genocide” winning. By not making a choice, you aren’t punishing the person proposing the deal, you’re just allowing someone else to make the choice for you.
There are elections in which it makes sense to vote against a candidate like Biden: In every election where there is a better choice on the table. That includes primaries, it includes backing candidates opposed to him in local elections, and elections for the house and senate. That is when you make your stand.
By not voting, in any specific election, you are simply giving up your right to have an impact on the outcome. That means that if the outcome is an increase in people killed, you are responsible, because you had the option to save lives, and chose not to take it.
By voting for the lesser of two evils, you are not signalling that you accept the lesser evil, but simply that you believe it is the best possible choice of those given. You can signal that you dislike the lesser evil by voting against it when an even lesser evil is on the table (or, preferably, something actually good).
Also, it’s not like “the democrats” tactically choose a candidate that they think the voters will reluctantly accept. The candidate is specifically the person that got the most votes in the primaries. The candidates in the primaries are typically people who got enough votes to be either governor or senator or something previously. By consistently voting for the better candidate in all those elections, you can actually have an impact on the presidential nominee, and signal your beliefs to the political party, without running the risk of having a wannabe dictator become president.
It’s not a false equivalence because I never claimed it was equivalent. The purpose of the hypothetical is to explain a concept, not to draw a direct comparison.
Not voting for Biden is punishing Biden because it’s denying him something that he wants. I’m not allowing other people to make the decision for me, it’s not as if my vote passes to the next person in line or something.
Primaries are not legitimate elections. There is no oversight and no legal requirement that they be conducted fairly, or even that they be conducted at all. The democratic establishment has the ability to influence the outcome or cancel them altogether, which it exercises regularly. What should I do if the democrats said, “We’re not doing primaries at all any more, we’re going back to the old days where party elites select candidates in smoke-filled rooms?” Should I just give them my full compliance?
I reject lesser evilism for reasons I already explained.
I am not responsible if withholding my vote leads to an increase in people being killed. That’s not how responsibility works. The responsibility is on the people doing the killing, the people ordering them to, and the people supplying them with the means to do so. It’s like if a serial killer tried to plead “not guilty” on the basis that one of his hostages refused to cooperate and that caused him to fly into a rage and kill more people so it’s really the hostage who should be tried for murder. It’s an absurdity, and frankly it betrays a refusal, in your psyche, to hold politicians accountable for their failures and misdeeds, instead trying to shift the blame onto ordinary people.
It’s always going to be this way. Every election will be an emergency. Every election in my lifetime has been. We’re in an abusive relationship and we need to get out of it. We need to break the duopoly. We need sane polling methods. But, no. Just like they keep us divided they’re keeping us distracted.
The problem is that roughly half of voters want that crazy shit, so until they’re overwhelmingly the minority and have no chance of winning, they will have a platform.
They’re both fucking crazy. They’re not the same, but they’re both insane to half the fucking population. That’s their power.
It’s shitty. We’re abused spouses. At some point we have to defeat the fear and either go to a shelter or the street. Until we’re willing to do that, well, enjoy.
If Democrats lose to Donald Trump, then it will be entirely their own fault. Progressives have said for years and years exactly what they want, but Democrats think it’s much more important to appease the Trump voters than it is to appease us. Let’s see how that pans out.
From my perspective it seems like Democrats are trying to lose.
Do you have any principles that you won’t compromise on?
Do you know how a first past the post electoral system works? Or are you young and naive, thinking that politics isn’t about compromise?
Seems like compromise is “the political party does whatever they want and you guarantee your undying loyalty to them with your vote”. You speak of youth and naivety, but only an idiot would accept such a “deal”. If our votes have power then we should wield it.
The fact that you think voting is an undying loyalty and not a simple strategic decision baffles me, and embodies the exact argument I keep seeing on here. You know how you wield the power of your vote? USE IT. Voting 3rd party is really dumb right now but in theory okay. Not voting simply means you don’t care.
Politics is absolutely about compromise, but Democrats never really compromise with progressives. The most we get is putting weed in the hands of the pharmaceutical companies, Yippee.
So that’s a no then? About principles?
So you’re saying that… I should abide by principles… by allowing my country to further descend into fascism… by not voting for a politician that could prevent that…
…right. You’re a smart mother fucker.
Don’t be mad at me because I forced you to confront your own lack of principles. I’ve got a principle, personally, that won’t allow me to vote for a genocidaire. I don’t think that’s a very high fucking bar. If we have found ourselves at an election where our choices are between two fascists, then we are already in fascism. If there is no way to vote for “no genocide” then there is no serious reason to vote.
I’ve got a principle, personally, that won’t allow me to vote for a genocidaire. I don’t think that’s a very high fucking bar.
Pretty clearly it’s not a very high bar, since you’re supporting an intensification of that genocide and the commencement of several others. That’s a bar too low to limbo under.
Yeah man, I’m sorry but if you’re doing a genocide, fuck you. I’ve got nothing but hate for you. I don’t care who you are, or who might also do the same thing. I’ll hate them too. That’s what a principle is. If more people had such a principle maybe we could make real political changes instead of giving “political capital” to war criminals.
Okay, you’ve hit on exactly what I don’t get.
Most Federal elections aren’t about good vs. bad. They’re about choosing the lesser of two evils. That’s important to remember.
As I see it, a vote for Biden OR Trump is a vote supporting genocide. On that one issue, sadly, there’s no real choice.
However, voting for Trump also brings with it sexism, racism and an inevitable threat to democracy - in addition to genocide. Crucially, changing the system for the better would become MUCH harder under Trump. Choosing not to vote at all (or voting for a 3rd party candidate with no real chance of winning) helps Trump. It would be giving up on yourself, and society as a whole. It would be saying that things are too broken to be fixed, ever, so it’s okay to let future generations suffer.
I don’t see the moral benefit in failing to choose the lesser of two evils.
When full support for genocide is “the lesser of two evils” then you’ve already lost. It’s straight up evil.
A system that only allows you to choose between two enthusiastic war criminals should be given up on. There is no saving or reforming such a system. An election boycott and riots in the street are a preferable choice as far as I’m concerned.
So you base your voting decision on an abstracted philosophical argument? Maybe take a good look at the US voting system and ask yourself what happens when Trump wins because people like you upheld their “principles”.
I don’t understand why it is so hard to grasp that opposition to an ongoing genocide is not “an abstracted philosophical argument”. Wake the fuck up. It’s real, and it’s happening right now. The guy you insist I vote for is angry at the idea that anyone (not even himself) be held criminally responsible!
It’a abstract because you aren’t considering the consequences of your vote. Here are your choices:
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Genocide, unions, anti-monopoly actions, infrastructure, healthcare, loan forgiveness, an excellent cabinet, and some other things that I would consider generally good
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Genocide, insurrection, corruption, hypocrisy, and literally so many negative things to list that I’m not capable of enumerating even a fraction of the total list
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Either of the above is fine, pick whichever
Those are your ONLY three options. It does not matter why you choose one. It does not matter what you believe, what principles you hold, or what you personally would do as president. The future that we find ourselves in comes down to this choice and this choice only. I cannot understand how a good person who understands this would make the wrong choice, so my goal is to make it as easy to understand this as possible.
Your argument is the abstract one. You are laying out what I think are mostly bullshit choices, based on hypotheticals and assumptions (abstract). I am talking about what is happening right now (not abstract).
I am definitely not going to get drawn into the finer points of what Biden has or hasn’t done or even more lamely, what he might or mightn’t do, but I will say this: I do not give one fuck about anything in your list compared to genocide. Like are you for real? Genocide but at least some loan forgiveness? Gross.
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Yeah, I do, like harm reduction. Which is what a vote for Biden is. I’m not willing to accelerate the situation in the middle East, climate change, pollution and erosion of rights to make an ineffective point.
Ah but I hear you say Biden isn’t perfect, no the fuck he isn’t but we’re that much further from the left thanks to last time we tried this in 2016.
Hillary Clinton was campaigning on (and truly did believe given her track record) in universal healthcare. How exactly have we moved to the left?
I know what “not perfect” looks like. Full-throated support of a genocide is more than a difference of opinion. Will anyone be left alive in Gaza by the time of our election? I can’t take the idea of campaigning for genocide as a form of “harm reduction”.
So what is your alternative? Do nothing and let even more genocide happen? Vote 3rd party and pretend you did more than nothing by voting for someone that is statistically impossible to win?
Its an honest question, because you’re clearly against harm reduction at all. If your principles don’t allow you to engage in harm reduction, what is your better solution? Doom posting on the internet till the election?
The ball’s entirely in Biden’s court. The alternative is him doing an about face and doing what’s right. Notice how none of the moderates act like this is even an option. No, it is us, the voter who must compromise on our morals, not the person in charge who needs the vote.
When election day comes, there are only two realistic candidates. If Biden is still in support of Israel at that time, your effective choices are “Genocide”, “Much More Genocide”, or “I don’t care if there is more genocide”
Welcome to the political process. You want to be an innocent? Find yourself an autocrat willing to take responsibility for your participation in society. The rest of us will deal with the ugly process of wielding political power as citizens.
I voted for the Democrats last time. They don’t deserve my vote this time. I was under the illusion that they would be plugging up all the holes in the system so that we could move forward from this fascist nightmare. Instead, they seem to be ceding ground to the fascists.
I genuinely 100% think that Democrats would much prefer Donald Trump’s victory than a progressive platform.
If the alternative to genocide is more genocide, then we are in a failed state for all relevant purposes. I cannot abide the concept of “harm reduction” being applied to voting for genocide (the supreme crime). If I am against harm reduction, then it follows that you are for genocide. Do you see how that works?
The election is nearly 6 months away, so we both have time to think and do a lot of stuff. The world changes around us everyday. Maybe Trump will have a heart attack and die. Maybe Biden will kill himself out of guilt. Who knows? Maybe I’ll keep reading headlines about Biden reaffirming his commitment to genocide, and posts from pugjesus about how dumb (or Russian) I must be for not recognizing how cool Joe actually i.
I hope that answers your question, and I have one for you: Imagine you convince someone like me to vote for Joe, and together we all post pro-Joe content, and we all vote real hard for him in November, and he still doesn’t quite pull it off. Even best case it’s basically a coin toss. What are you planning to do then? I mean, it will be the end of democracy, the new era of fascism and terror. Do you have plans (and means) to leave the country with your loved ones? Do you plan to stay and fight to protect your friends and neighbors? Will you just kind of muddle on going to work and voting? I don’t need your answer as much as I need you to think seriously about it, but I am curious. What preparations are you making for the worst case scenario?
Maybe I’ll keep reading headlines about Biden reaffirming his commitment to genocide, and posts from pugjesus about how dumb (or Russian) I must be for not recognizing how cool Joe actually i.
Sorry that being confronted with the consequences of your decisions is so distressing to you. It would be so nice if you could show Mean Ol’ Joe how very, very cross you are with him without having to think about the millions who will suffer under a Trump regime, or the additional aid to Israeli genocide that would result in.
It’s much nicer when you can plug your ears and not listen to the screams of the genocides you’re enabling, isn’t it?
“It’s much nicer when you can plug your ears and not listen to the screams of the genocides you’re enabling, isn’t it?”
Where are the centrists giving the Republicans a drill and arguing that a just giving them a slight smaller drill bit then they requested is a good thing and the only way to keep the boat from sinking faster?
The analogy from the cartoon is actually deeply flawed for the present situation; back about 10-15 years I think it was pretty accurate.
What it should be now, the best that I can make it out, is a pretty big boat that’s in quite a bit of mechanical trouble to the point that there’s a lot of unrest on board and it may not make it back to land and may get sunk by the next big storm. And, on board is:
Republicans actively drilling more holes, setting the engine on fire for some reason, stealing the flares and emergency beacon so they can sell them off to each other, shitting in the water supply, basically doing too many different bad things to even count or keep track of
A third of the people labeled with “Democrat” helping them, a third looking the other way or making vague attempts to tell them to stop, a third vigorously trying to stop them, sometimes with some level of success
Biden presiding over that whole process, and somehow producing some level of progress on the most critical of the problems, which is actually pretty shocking considering how fuckin insane the entire boat is at this point.
(Oh and also one of the Republicans has a handgun and keeps talking about how we need to shoot every single person on the boat who isn’t a Republican, and a lot of the Republicans are agreeing with him and saying they should have handguns too)
A tiny handful of people who are actually trying to organize, work on problems, work out how we might be able to get to land, put together water distillation since we’re running out, better system for choosing who’s in charge, some genuine improvement to our situation.
And then, a certain body of people who are swearing they are actually part of that last group, but who spend 100% of their time saying they don’t see any difference between Biden guy and handgun guy, and some of the other people were punching some of the last group, and anyway what about the water, no wait I meant what about the flares, he hasn’t even done anything about the flares… just more or less a constant drumbeat of opposition with none of the forward movement that comes from the last group. And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn’t that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you’re ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.
That’s still an oversimplification. But it seems somewhat more complete and accurate than the cartoon. My man: Start talking about ranked choice voting. Start talking about joining Extinction Rebellion. If you want to do better than Biden, fuckin do it, it sounds great. But saying that letting Trump win this particular election is anything other than the end of the world, is just lying.
And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn’t that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you’re ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.
This is what gets me. Some (most, if the news is accurate) Republicans are so cartoonishly evil that people’s first reaction is “that can’t be right, you’re just exaggerating” followed shortly by “oh isn’t it awfully convenient that you aren’t a part of that group?”
This wall of text makes me think either a bot or non-medicated metal illness.
The editor has foolishly put them at the front of the boat pretending they’re enforcing it instead of slowly pouring cups of water into the boat.
Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.
Also centrists under a fully right system, are sitting in the centre of the right and thus still rightists.
Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.
It would be nice if they would vote once in a while. I’m assured they’re the vast majority of this country, but curiously, none of them ever seem to vote.
The vast majority of Americans are not leftists. America doesn’t even have a left party.
Vote for who? So far, we’ve only had capitalist candidates. That’s not really up my alley, champ.
Oh, boy, they’re not up your alley, so sorry, in that case, please continue to ignore all possible contributions to the material conditions that allow the organization of labor and the prevention of fascism; I’m sure that passively watching the genocide of minorities is a small price to pay compared to the indignity of participating in the democratic process.
Unionization is a capitalist compromise. The fact that it takes an entire army of people to equal the negotiation power of one owner is ridiculous and indicative of the terrible system we’re in.
Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.
Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.
You keep welcoming fascism, you seem quite fond of it. Sorry that the rest of us want to do silly things like “Be alive” or “Have rights”.
Democrats have been welcoming fascists the entire last four years by not preventing them from coming to power. We’ve had every possible avenue legally or legislatively to put an end to this and DemocratsDemocrats refuse to. They’re incapable.
All we will get by voting for Joe Biden is four more years of peace until the next fascist begins to run, and we will have done nothing to stop them either.
Your strategy is to win every election for the rest of all time. It’s just not tenable.
We need a reform movement, and Democrats are incapable of that, clearly. As somebody else has said in this threat, going by the metaphor in the picture, Democrats need to be plugging the holes in the boat, not scooping out the water.
They’re the one pretending to bail water out; don’t worry, they’ll wait until the last minute to crack a new hole in the boat and then blame it on the one bailing water for ‘bailing too fast’.
Brandon 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth. The fascists must be made to suffer.
Man, I would just like to not be in line for losing all ability to influence my government, and very likely in line for escalated genocide all across the globe. I don’t need the fascists to suffer, I just need them to not run my fucking life, and preferably, not anyone else’s either.
Nuremberg 2024
Hey democrats, try plugging the hole.
With what shall they plug it
A bit of false hope, a dash of inaction, sprinkle in some corpo lobbyist dong sucking, and top it off with a “at least we’re not the other guy”.
I’m voting democrat, because at least they’re not the other guy, but this meme is fucking bullshit.
Looks like there’s a Republican
This is honestly the perfect microcosm of liberal thought. Just continuously posting low effort shitposts that literally state in the meme how ineffective and in-bed with fascists liberals are.
We have OP coming into the comments acting like a holier than thou liberal, repeating the same vapid bullshit over and over.
Meanwhile, Democrats just keep dumping one little bucket at a time as the boat gets lower and lower while screaming in tears at the guy trying to find the fucking life raft.
“And fuck no, I’m not voting for you in November”
Liberals in fucking hysterics throwing a tantrum about why leftists comprising 1% of the vote don’t like their blue MAGA instead of targeting the 60% republican vote with actual popular policy
Lmao fuck liberals, y’all deserve to lose.
“There is no genocide in Gaza”
Yes, yes, we get it, you find the idea of American minorities being murdered thrilling, and support all the aid to Israel Trump can muster. You can stop crowing about it from the top of every roof.
Are we forgetting that biden is currently the president and loves genocide so much that he refuses to stop supporting it, even though it’s costing him votes? If the best you can offer is “not the other guy” then all you’re telling us is that things will get worse no matter what.
If the best you can offer is “not the other guy” then all you’re telling us is that things will get worse no matter what.
Oh, okay, I didn’t realize the protection of minority rights was ‘things getting worse’, thanks for the self-report, I guess.
I guess you love genocide. Thanks for the self-report.
I guess you love genocide
For trying to stop as much of it as possible? Weird definition of love, but considering you spend all your time working towards ensuring as many Palestinians are killed as possible, I shouldn’t be surprised.
‘It’s literally impossible for Biden to stop supporting the genocide’
Oh fuck I had no idea
Sending billions in weapons and denying any genocide is going on is a funny way of trying to stop genocide.
It’s the over-the-top sarcasm and insincere indignation that galls me
Then they’ll inevitably try claiming that yea, it’d be nice if we had someone with better politics but NOW’S NOT THE TIME TO MAKE A FUSS
insincere indignation
Yeah, how dare those uppity minorities get agitated over the prospect of becoming legally second-class citizens or outright murdered. If only we knew our place, quietly accepting the Principled Stand of the Privileged in our honor!
over the top sarcasm
Yeah, I’ve never denied the sarcasm. Sorry that you find tone policing more important than genocide.
Idk really seems like a stretch too suggest your impassioned defenses of the guy supporting the genocide is an indication of your outrage
“Wow, I don’t understand how you can defend the guy who doesn’t want to commit genocide in the US, and is less gung-ho about the ongoing genocide in Gaza than the opposition?”
It’s weird. I know, I should apparently support all genocide, everywhere, as often as possible, to be a good leftist according to these new standards, but for some reason, I keep gravitating towards the “Let’s not start up death camps in the US and run sorties over the West Bank and ensure as many Ukrainians are murdered as possible” option.
Very strange, I know, seemingly incomprehensible to the Very Serious Leftist Brigade here on Lemmy.
I would imagine the Dem looking at the Republican and say “don’t do it again”, then turn towards the non-voter and say “the boat is now repaired” and then sit down pleased with himself.
You’re not wrong. But I don’t have much sympathy for people cheering on the boat sinking and everyone drowning because the Dems are a bunch of dumb, unimaginative, spineless twats.
It’s a terrible situation all around. Especially considering the anti-trans bills already coming out. I think the biggest issue is we can only vote for senators in our state, meaning it’s go big or go home. You should probably remind people the importance of voting for congress.
Yeah. I have an uphill battle in my state, because a legitimately popular former governor is running for the GOP in the Senate position that opened up.
That’s what pisses me off so goddamn much about this BiDeN BaD TrUmP BaD bullshit pissing contest.
IT’S ABOUT CONGRESS AND THE JUDGES THEY PICK.
just look at the last decade. It wasn’t the president doing the most damage and changing law, it was the scotus
Republicans used to go on and on about “activist judges” because that was their exact plan. Install partisan judges and have lawsuits come up in favorable locations (looking at you 5th circuit from hell) that can then work their way up to the conservative rubber stamp that is our current scotus.
While also complaining about the boat going slower under democrat leadership as they had to stop rowing to fix the hole
You’re an embodiment of the meme.
Accurate. No extra bucket, alleged “non-voters” guy isn’t actually refusing to grab one, he just looks smug and isn’t praising the Democrats. Dems aren’t doing enough, boat’s still going to sink. Democrats decided to bring two buckets instead of getting rid of the drill or the Republican. If “non-voters” guy stopped balancing the weight and came over to pat the Dems on the back like they want him to, they would just slide to the right and push their end of the boat under without having to wait for the hole to do it.
ya i fkn do actually, i’m planning on growing gills
… u… username checks out…?
Too few cops beating up someone with a bucket.
Stop the vote blue no matter who spam
He’s physically incapable.
It’s warranted imo, it’s in the right community and it’s for an important cause
No, no, you don’t get it, “Biden BAD” is okay and funny and based, but “There are literal fascists we are running against” is CIA Psyop Spam
We all float down here, Georgie.
Come play.
This is not very accurate, at least one of the dems would either argue with the republican and none voters, about it being their fault, or drill a bigger hole.
The dems would be drilling more holes, just with a slightly smaller drill bit
Inflation!!! Cutting taxes on corporations and billionaires has nothing to do with it. It was all Biden being president for 6 months!
