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    Oh man, he’s going to be so disspaointed when he gets home and it’s all just rocks. It’s like the time I bottled a piece of a cloud in Costa Rica and opened it up to just find a slightly damp bottle.

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      That’s why you’re supposed to get your hair braided into corn rows and a Puka shell necklace to remember your trip. Those last forever.

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    Is that an OSHA approved hand over the face to keep from breathing the poisonous gas?

    I’m kind of surprised it’s not hot enough to boil off all the water in that little bucket pretty quickly, bit obviously it isn’t.

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      I’m no lavatorial expert, but I’d guess the thermal conductivity of lava is relatively low. The high temp and high mass will keep it warm for a while, but water has a pretty high conductivity and capacity on its own. The agitation is distributing the heat too, well beyond the regular convection rate.

      I would guess.

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        I’m not thinking that “lavatorial” is the correct word.

        That conjures “lavatory”, which is something different.

        For the science, yeah, more than enough water to cool the lava.

        That’s just my experience. If someone does the math, I’ll love them.

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          If you replace the lava* with shit, the phrase still makes sense and is accurate

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          Do what math? I honestly don’t know what you guy’s actually expect it to look like, so I don’t know where to start explaining.

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            Heat capacity of lava per degree Celsius per unit of mass

            Multiplied by temperature differential vs ambient, multiplied by mass = total extra heat energy

            Then you calculate the sum of heat capacity multiplied by mass for lava and for water, and calculate from that how many degrees above ambient the two masses will land at when combined as the extra energy above is divided over both (assuming water starts at ambient temp)

            It won’t be exact because heat capacity varies in materials as temperature changes, both steam and solidification of lava (state change) will contribute significantly, but it’s a decent first estimate

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              Okay. Then they add more and it will boil quickly. I guess the question boiles (huehue) down to how much water you can turn into stream per amount of lava or the inverse, how much lava you can cool down per amount of water.

              The phase change from liquid water to stream will, by the way, not just contribute significantly but be by far the majority of energy needed. Simply heating water up, ignoring the phase change and changes of the heat capacity, with the same energy as it takes to go from liquid to gas (2257 kJ/kg) would result in a temperature rise of… dT = 2257 kJ/kg / 4.2 kJ/(kg*K) = 537 K

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                Assuming enough water that most of it doesn’t boil, then my math would still check out, but yeah, any substantial amount of boiling forces you do do the math in multiple steps to handle that

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            Seriously? The lava in water math.

            It’s high school stuff if you bother to look up the specific heat and make some reasonable guesses.

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      Was gunna say, looks like he’s looting the lava more than doing a carefully controlled scientific procedure.

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      He might just be shielding his face from the heat. That said, I saw a little plant that almost survived the lava flow, and it was much closer than he was, so idk.

      Normally when I see geologists standing around lava they have masks on, so I’d assume he has one under whatever he’s got on his face. Either that or maybe he was getting a couple quick scoops and wasn’t going to be standing around long enough for a mask to make a huge difference.

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        That was from the last guy who did this job and died under mysterious circumstances. Nothing to worry about.

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      What surprises me is no way to carry the bucket away afterward; You would have to put your hand over the bucket, in the steam. Gloved or not, it does not seem very safe.

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        If it really is just getting the lava down to boiling water temperature, or even a bit higher, that thin metal handle will dissipate that heat pretty quickly. A glove should be fine.

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    That’s so weird. Why doesn’t he just fill the bucket with lava? That way he can place a lava source block wherever he wants! Maybe set fire to his friends creations in the process.

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        The hottest lava gets about 200C lower than the melting point of what looks like stainless steel. And the water inside will actually wick that temperature from the outside into the water pretty effectively.

        That’s also why you can boil water in a paper cup by placing it over a flame. The water eats the eat like a hungry jiraffe.

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          Ooo, you can use a plastic bag, like the kind supermarkets still use, in place of a pot too! Granted, I wouldn’t recommend it because god knows what plastics are leeching out of your makeshift pot and into the water, but if you need to boil water and all you have is a plastic bag, well, there you go!

          Considering how plastic trash is literally everywhere now, a survival situation where you have a reasonably intact walmart bag but no pot is more likely than you’d think.

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          A vital detail you forgot to mention is that water can store an absurd amount of heat even before it boils, and when it starts boiling it stops getting warmer and instead simply takes boils faster and faster the more heat is applied.

          It’s honestly basically magic.

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            and when it starts boiling it stops getting warmer and instead simply takes boils faster and faster the more heat is applied

            Isn’t that how most matter behaves? An example of a process that seemingly relies on that, is distillation, which I imagine would be impossible to do, if once the boiling point is reached, the heat didn’t [stop going towards raising the temperature and instead going towards the vaporization enthalpy]

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                Ah, sorry. I had the impression you were saying that water was unusual in that regard («It’s honestly basically magic» misled me).

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    Personally I would scoop the lava away from myself but I’m no volcanologist.

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        Maybe not, could make protective covers with insulation. Might help until you cool it down. Lava is between 700 to 1200 celcius. Platinum doesn’t melt until over 1700 celcius. So maybe a layer of insulation inside a thin layer of platinum, then poor some water on it if you get splashed.

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    I would pay to be allowed to scoop some lava into a bucket. It looks so weird and I really want to poke it. How many people get to say they willingly got to handle lava!

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      I hiked out to the lava flows in Hawaii when you were still allowed to. It’s pretty cool, but also super scary.

      You have to hike for miles over fresh lava flow which creates one of the most difficult terrains imaginable. Imagine rippling hills made of cheese graters and razorblades. And the lava heats the air, so it’s like 130°f. And you have to touch the ground constantly, if it’s too hot to touch or your shoes are melting, or if you hear any cracking, it means you’re likely in top of a lava tube that can crumble away from your weight dropping you into lava.

      You have to sit through a 45 minute long safety video before they let you out there, which also explains that due to the heat and the drafts, helicopters can’t get out there, so if you get into trouble, even just succumbing to heat stroke it twist an ankle bad enough that you can’t walk, no one can help you. You need to bring a lot of water.