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Lol. This is the party they want to replace ‘genocide joe’ with. Well done, kids!
I’m gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.
I’m not willing to pretend he’s not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.
This. You deal with the choice in front of you, and not the ones you wish you had. Life is bigger than our little worlds.
Truth. Unfortunately. Brandon 2024.
I’m not.
I’m not American nor in the US.
Lucky you lol
Not really. I’m in Northern Ireland and my vote does fuck all to affect who’s elected UK Prime Minister. The current governing party runs candidates here but they’ve never won a seat and their closest competitors don’t run any candidates at all here. Never mind I live in a stronghold seat so it won’t change anyway.
Have you tried driving your neighbors to the polling place and before you get there telling them how the other candidate fed glass to your dog?
Personal failure, smh
Who makes you pretend that? You guys all want a medal for preaching to the choir?
The Democratic party expects their members to pretend that what’s happening in Gaza is not a genocide. They censured Rep Tlaib for saying so in Congress.
Or, it’s actually not.
Reported as election interference
So what you’re saying is that you’re a-okay with fascism and genocide, provided it wears a blue jersey?
I don’t think anyone is saying that. You’re just arguing in bad faith.
I see a whole lot of excuses flying form Democrats to try and distract from the fact that they’re voting for Genocide Joe in November.
This thread is littered with them.
It would be nice if people actually knew what they were talking about though. Biden is REQUIRED by a law that was put in place years ago to provide Israel with weapons.
Oh get out of here with your facts. The kids are having a circlejerk. They weren’t born at the time. They can’t be expected to know these things.
Oh, he’s just following orders!
It’s not like we have other laws requiring you not to support genocide for this exact situation that he can use to halt arms shipments.
What is that law? Closest I think I can get is HR 4986 sec 227 which mentions Israel, but I can’t read further. Who put it in place?
From the linked politico article,
Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.
In 2008, George W. Bush was in his second term as president.
Yes, Bush was the president for most of 2008. Obama got a short portion, although the exact president in place doesn’t necessarily tell you if they agreed anyway. Since president’s don’t really write law, I was looking for the exact law to see the history of which representatives were pushing it. I wanted to see what the angle was for that piece of the bill and what else was attached to it. Nothing gets passed as an individual law, meaning it was probably a rider in a much larger group of laws that likely made it a non-negotiable requirement bundled into a more pressing matter.
But I guess 9+ people read my simple question as total contempt for the situation.
Obama was inaugurated in January 2009, though he was elected in 2008, so it’s easy to confuse.
Tankies don’t show up to forums about headlines they can’t cram into their preordained propaganda forms.
He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region
Why?
He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Why?
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ
No, he isn’t. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?
Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide
Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?
Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel
Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel’s own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin’s.
Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.
Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.
Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?
https://www.ft.com/content/6700a246-e0cd-49d8-b5ef-d2379e86290f
“The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday.”
we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu
We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden’s red line and attacked Rafah
Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin
Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel’s interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC
I’d just like to remind you folks the headline you’re debating under:
Nikki Haley writes ‘finish them’ on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit
Biden/Dems sent the genocide bombs and Haley/Republicans autographed them.
I’m not sure how that improves things
US presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours. Biden doesn’t have a real choice unless he can get a bill through both houses to stop arming Israel. I don’t think that’s even remotely realistic.
Trump would be twice as bad for Palestine. “Finish them” is an actual call to genocide.
But you don’t care for facts, you just want to blame Biden for everything that you think left wingers might not like so they’ll not vote and Trump can get in.
presidents are required by American law since 2008 to ensure that Israel is better armed than all its neighbours
Or else what?
Also, funding and arming genocide is also illegal. And immoral. And stupid.
Yeah, those stupid kids should just realize that one constant in America is that we kill or enable the killing of children. They should just accept that children will be killed in their name and get over themselves like us grown ups.
No, it isn’t.
We want to replace Genocide Joe with the Greens.
Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it’s not going to happen.
Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it’s not going to happen.
If you actually want to attract people to your cause, you may want to consider changing your tone. It could also be beneficial to mention some positive things about the candidate that you recommend instead of just bashing the current regime.
I’m shouting into the void and I know it. Nothing I do or say will change anything.
I can look at the last 40 years and be astonished at how little American voters care about their own welfare, and rest assured that the election in November will likely be 49% to 49%, because for some reason they all are just exceptionally well-programmed to vote for the candidates that the wealthy want them to vote for. All of them are poorer now, both economically and socially, than they were even just ten years ago. They can see with their own two eyes that they get poorer no matter which party we elect, and it doesn’t stop them from voting solely on team color anyway.
Hell, the Democrats had Marianne Williamson, an anti-war, pro-living wage, pro-universal health care candidate who can actually form a coherent thought in their primary. They decided overwhelmingly that they wanted the old, addled warmonger to be their president, even though he’s done nothing meaningful to try and fix their poverty, opting to spend his time keeping his scumbag son out of prison and the war money flowing to other countries.
Then your desire to shout about your bigger-than-average conscience is at odds with your desire to replace the Democrats with the Greens. You do make a difference.
Biden spanked Trump once and he can do it again.
Oh no, you’re making a difference for sure. You’re absolutely pushing people AWAY from the green party.
As if you’d ever diverge from your partisan programming.
Nice job proving my point.
That’s okay. Thanks and god bless.
Lmao, comment more.
You’re definitely not making yourself look like you need live-in nursing care to wipe your ass.
You’re also making really REALLY good, logical fair points and you’re totally not moving the goalposts.
Take your bad faith ba to .ml or hexbear, you troglodyte.
These are the people that are going to be ruling America soon.
These are the people who have been ruling America for a long time.
And it will be the end of popular elections, period. Congratulations, assholes, you got your dictatorship to own the cucks.
That’ll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.
It’s a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.
and a majority in Congress
Democrats do not have a super majority, which is a problem thanks to the fillabuster. So the only branch of government the democrats have is the executive, which is not enough to fix things.
Oh? and what are republicans doing for the poor and working class?
Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.
FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.
Maybe they’re involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.
And work to undermine NATO.
Plus, there’s 4 years of new Top Secret info for Trump to turn over to Putin.
You think he’ll give up power after four years? He’s already actively undermining the US’ democracy.
I was talking the last 4 years of Top Secret info created during the Biden administration. Because you know that Biden, unlike Trump, isn’t giving away our Top Secret info to Putin. But, Trump will package it all up neatly with a bow, and hand it over to Putin the first chance he gets.
Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.
If you didn’t know any better you’d think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.
It’s getting tiresome even down voting this crap.
Don’t forget to tag shills so you can keep an eye on them
Yeah, honestly it makes me wonder if Lemmy is also already over.
Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.
They are on all social media platforms.
They have plenty of automated bots there too
Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.
Don’t like Joe? You’re a bot. Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you’re a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.
Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to “court voters” that were NEVER going to vote with them.
That kind of propaganda is very common now so it makes sense that people have their guards up.
How can they say they love Israel but also say Jews run everything and be generally negative towards Jews here?
“Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.”
Edited to add:
It’s a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.
You currently see it a lot with the people chanting “Genocide Joe” and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He’s Schrödinger’s politician!
Ah I remember the days of “Obama, The Weak-Willed Tyrant” an incompetent man with a genius level intellect according to Fox News…
Edit: For context, I’m talking about 2008-2015ish when the Right claimed Obama was too soft to stand up to America’s enemies and was this “weak child of a man”, and that he was also this evil corrupt tyrant who gave no one an inch, claiming him to be a moron and yet also a diabolical mastermind plotting the Muslim Takeover of America
The amount of Racism was fucking unreal. Especially down here in the South, I rolled my eyes at a lot of “Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim!” in 2012
Obama’s not even Arabic! Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim? And even if he was, who fucking cares?
Do you remember during the 2008 campaign when there was criticism over Obama’s pastor being too outspoken in his church? In back to back segments fox would reflect on Obama’s dangerous version of Christianity while also saying he was a Muslim…
Why the fuck did everyone think he was a muslim?
Barack Hussein Obama
I don’t know man. You tell me.
I feel like most people believe one or the other and the internet makes groups feel like one big person.
I feel like that may be true also, but I was referring to the groups pushing the agenda/propaganda, not the ones being affected by it. The ones propagandizing doublethink are the big issue IMO.
You have gravely misunderstood the Genocide Joe label, lol
So what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?
Liberals 🤣
That’s almost the most evasive thing you could have said. The question was what do you think the Republican leadership hopeful Nikki Haley meant by writing “finish them” on an Israeli bomb?
That they’re as genocidal as the Democrats.
That doesn’t make Biden a criminal mastermind playing 4d chess, it makes him a head of state who supports it.
This doesn’t make sense bro, are you ok?
Not sure on their current thinking but the root of that line of thinking predates Israel: European nationalist antisemites would say “Jews don’t have a homeland that’s why they’re wrecking havoc everywhere else, they’re jealous”.
Overall, in general, zionist antisemitism is a thing.
Also some Christians believe the rapture will only come after Israel is back in the hands of the Jews. Since it hasn’t happened already, they might think that it has to be completely in the hands of the Jews. It might be about Jerusalem instead of all of Israel.
So they can still hate them while wanting them to fulfill their “prophecy”. Once they control whatever land some Bible contributor says they need to control, then God will punish them while rewarding all the good white folks in a way that lets them skip the whole scary dying thing.
Not sure if this specific asshole subscribes to that belief, it might just be normal Nazism (the Nazis wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar before understanding that you can’t just send a large group of people to some other location without some kind of military conquest, which is part of why they called the Holocaust the “final solution”).
Behold, the moderate Republican.
This woman has no soul
Same lady who rolls up her windows when traveling through the “bad part of town”
I can assure you she never travels through the bad part of town…
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Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!
An incredible oversight. How can he recover from this?
Ugh… We’ve discovered it was from her personal stash. I think we should shutdown Wallmart for this.
The only recourse is something that is obviously such a terrible idea that I shouldn’t even have to explain the details to you, you should know what to do based on how egregiously, obnoxiously bad the concept of a solution is.
Thanks, Obama.
The Moderate Republican, folks.
What a cunt
She’s a typical modern Republican politician. She loves money, and will support literally anyone who cuts taxes, and works to remove regulations that hinder profit. That’s it. That’s all they care about. All the culture war stuff is to keep the poors blaming each other than coming after her masters.
As a great lady once said, “she’s a feckless cunt”.
Typical republican filth.
See, that’s why I can’t vote for Biden. /s
I mean, Biden’s the reason those bombs are there to begin with.
If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.
All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.
But you don’t care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.
If you actually cared about Palestine, you’d be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.
Who says I haven’t?
Because you’re hyper fixated on a vote months from now that won’t help Palestinians at the current moment? Your priorities are pretty clear.
So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes “We’re outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!” comnents. You’re really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.
Yes that’s exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.
Glad you got it!
That administration isn’t writing “finish them” on the bombs.
Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn’t gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?
If she didn’t have any bombs to write on in the first place, people might not have such an issue with biden.
Nice work, Dimitri, how’s the weather in St. Petersburg?
If I’m Dmitri, you’re Hermann.
I’m not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.
You just outed yourself, only Russians would know how to spell “Dmitri” right
No, you’re the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote “Finish them” on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.
Nope sorry only explanation is that you’re Russian. Or if you somehow prove you’re not Russian, then you’re a useful idiot. Even the people who have voted third party for years, you’ve actually always been Russian.
Another lie.
You drop older stock bombs first so you don’t have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel’s posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.
Hey Nikki, why don’t you use your birth name - Nimarata Nikki Randhawa?🤔
That isn’t, in my opinion, something to criticize her for.
If we are going to respect people’s names and pronouns, that needs to apply to Republicans too, even if you suspect they changed their name for political reasons.
Caitlyn Jenner is an absolute piece of shit who killed someone, but I’m not going to call her Bruce because of it.
Should we not hold republicans to their own standards? Taking the high road doesn’t always work.
We should hold ourselves to our own standards.
Well my standards don’t allow me to let hypocrites eat their cake and have it too. She wants to be in a party of racists then I’m going to mention her attempt to hide her race.
Then shouldn’t you call Caitlyn Jenner ‘Bruce?’ She’s in the party of anti-trans bigots after all.
It’s ok, I can still mention her being an absolutely remorseless cunt.
And let rest of the GOP ostracize her cause no amount of cumgurgling is going to make her ‘one of them’.
Sure, there are lots and lots of other things you can say about that horrible person.
It’s not her name, it’s that she panders to a base who would hate her if she used it. She’s a hypocrite.
You could say “it’s not her name” about Caitlyn Jenner too.
Why shouldn’t people have the right to be called what they want to be called?
Sauce for the goose, my friend. Going high while our opponents go low is why this nation is in the state it is right now. If they chose to wrestle in the muck rather than abide by civilized rules, then I’m more than content to get dirty and fight them there if that serves me best. I see no reason to cede them any advantage out of an outmoded sense of fair play.
As I said to someone else, then shouldn’t you call Caitlyn Jenner ‘Bruce’ for the same reason?
Is Caitlyn Jenner refusing to respect other people’s pronouns/names or used the issue as a political weapon? As far as I know, her only position is that people should relax about cases of accidentally misgendering people.
Nikki Haley, on the other hand, has made numerous public statements attacking the use of people’s chosen pronouns. So yes, I feel fine attacking her on the issue because she has chosen it as a weapon against others.
I agree that we shouldn’t misgender people or intentionally call them by the wrong name, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of their political stance.
Republicans are actively persecuting people are transgender and foreigners (or people who sound like foreigners), so to point out how they are being hypocritical is not all that out of line imo.
Pointing out the hypocrisy and intentionally calling her by the name she doesn’t wish to go by are two different things. Sure, point out why she might have change her name. But respect people’s name choices.
Probably because it sounds like Nimrod, which Bugs Bunny successfully turned into a pejorative
Or, y’know, because it’s the GOP and she wants to sound whiter
Totally random, but reading your comment reminded me that there is an Israeli competition climber named Nimrod.
Huh.
How hard can it be to not act on your weird chauvinsitic impulses in public as a politician?
Apparently it’s pretty difficult.
Nikki is no moderate.
Moderate by GOP standards. Moderately less of a nazi or something like that
She’s not even that. She went full Nazi when she called for the culling of the American people. Gas chambers and concentration camps.
She’s the spitting image of American centrism.
Not oniony – just normal Nikki Haley things, by this point.
