@thefrankring A lot of people in my city carry goods constantly on cargo bikes. A lot of people have taxi-bikes with which they carry people. Even though we have constant heavy rains.
Not because they’re forced to, but because we have good bike infrastructure.
Go talk to Norway about biking in the winter, they do it plenty with standard bikes. It’s not like once it snows roads and paths have a permanent layer of snow and ice on them, we invented this thing called a plow.
Also like 3 minutes into biking in the cold you aren’t cold anymore.
Yeah I fucking live in Canada, the roads aren’t icy unless the whole city is basically in a standstill. If the plows aren’t making it then your car isn’t fucking either genius.
Building infrastructure is never easy. San Francisco’s experience could aid in teaching other cities how it’s done. If there’s an easier method, then it could be used, but hills obviously aren’t that big of a problem.
My city is full of hills and mountains.
So you’re saying that the city is also a large gym which improves public health 👍
Yeah, once in a while. It doesn’t hurt.
I love showing up to work or formal events drenched in sweat. I love it. Especially when it’s 37C out.
Probably not a good idea to fill those valleys with tones of fuel exhaust and build a bunch of tiny roads prone to mudslides.
@thefrankring @stepan So is mine and I bike everyday (because we have good bike infrastructure).
I don’t think biking for personal reasons to be an issue. 10-15 minutes of biking, do a bit of healthy exercise (even if uphill) and you’re done.
But asking people to work on bikes all day while carrying/delivering heavy loads and/or people in the back.
Not even talking about weather conditions: cold snowy winters, hot summers, rainy days, etc.
Sounds a bit unreasonable.
@thefrankring A lot of people in my city carry goods constantly on cargo bikes. A lot of people have taxi-bikes with which they carry people. Even though we have constant heavy rains.
Not because they’re forced to, but because we have good bike infrastructure.
I don’t think bike infrastructure to be that good where I live, and I don’t think it’s realistic.
Mostly because biking only happens during the summer where the weather is enjoyable outside.
Unless you purposefully use winter bikes with appropriate fat tires. It’s also very cold during the winter.
Go talk to Norway about biking in the winter, they do it plenty with standard bikes. It’s not like once it snows roads and paths have a permanent layer of snow and ice on them, we invented this thing called a plow.
Also like 3 minutes into biking in the cold you aren’t cold anymore.
Have you ever biked in an icy hill?
This happened where I live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtF_UiwPRYo
Even your amazing plow invention got messed up.
Yeah I fucking live in Canada, the roads aren’t icy unless the whole city is basically in a standstill. If the plows aren’t making it then your car isn’t fucking either genius.
How does good bike infrastructure help with carrying heavy loads uphill?
Electric bikes.
Are those part of infrastructure?
They are, you can either have your own or rent it with an app from a multitude of bike stations, this is a thing in most European cities.
Electric bikes make a massive difference.
Also trams don’t mind that.
That’s true to an extent. I do have ebikes but climbing hills requires more power and power is limited.
If San Francisco can do it then no city has an excuse.
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I don’t know if I’d use SF as an example of a car free city. They’ve got it as bad as anyone.
I used it as an example of how trams can work on steep hills.
Lol, it’s not that simple to create and maintain such an infrastructure.
Trams and cable cars are unique and part of San Francisco’s history.
Building infrastructure is never easy. San Francisco’s experience could aid in teaching other cities how it’s done. If there’s an easier method, then it could be used, but hills obviously aren’t that big of a problem.
Also riding up hills is just a matter of having the appropriate gears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipENw5mjjSg