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Holy shit, micro transactions for fast travel? What the fuck
From a review:
The explorers camping kit is probably the most egregious of the “DLC” So to explain, as you and your pawns battle you take damage, take enough damage and there is a portion of your HP you can’t recover with magic or items. So you’ll either have to go rest at an inn or find a bonfire to set up camp. To make camp you’ll need the camping supplies item, the ones I have found so far are very heavy in weight, which means your party won’t have much space for loot. The explorers camping kit DLC will give you 1 camping supply and make the “explorers camping kit” available to purchase within the in-game shops, and it will be much lighter in weight than the normal camping supplies. Capcom have purposely made the experience far more tedious than it need be in their fully priced AAA game so we would spend the extra money on their quality of life DLC.
Fuck this game.
This is literally “make the Battlefield player pay money to reload their gun.”
I don’t remember it being that bad but in battlefield heroes the weapons and upgrades you unlocked with free points were only temporary (like 2 weeks at a time or something)
Wait a minute, hold up, this wasn’t in the game unless you have that?
It is, afaik all the microtransactions are available in game, most of them are even very very easily available. Capcom has been doing this for years in all their games, even Monster Hunter Rise has the character edit voucher bullshit, but people have finally called them out for it.
That camp kit comes with the deluxe addition, which they probably are unaware of because they got the game for free. It also comes with one of those edit voucher things as well. I doubt I’ll ever use mine though because they also have an amazing character creator that came out weeks ago that let you meticulously design your character and your pawn. Then when you start the game they are right there as a choice. Something else they probably didn’t know because they had the game so early.
It’s all made up of drama for clicks, and seems to be working.
The edit voucher is also available for rift crystals in game. The drama isnt made up I’d say but it is misdirected. Be mad at Capcom not the people playing the game and having fun because the game itself is actually good.
You can unlock fast travel in game. You can pay to unlock it early.
It’s basically cheat codes as mtx. Doesnt affect the gameplay.
All reviewers were informed that there were going to be microtransactions. Only 2 of 25 reviewers even talked about it in the reviews but both of them said the mtx doesnt have an affect on enjoying the game (the mtx are basically just for people who dont want to play the game as intended)
Cheat codes have long been part of gaming history with. Up up down down…
The difference is literally nothing in weight. Honestly. This is the biggest non issue. A few potatoes you loot off the ground can weigh more than the difference between the camp you purchase for gold in the first town and the dlc.
If you wanna complain about legitimate issues like frame rate or only one save, that’s fine. But for anyone that’s played the game, the dlc is beyond pointless and not worth this level of outrage.
That kit is part of the Deluxe edition, or $2.99 if you want to buy just it without the other bonus items. I think calling it DLC is a stumble by CAPCOM, but this guy has made a whole lot of drama out of his entitlement over not getting items from another SKU with his FREE pre-release copy of the game he finished in advance of release.
EDIT - Words are hard (spelling).
Apologetics aside, “this guy” is a random steam review.
You can just use ingame items
“You can just have a significantly worse experience”
People paid $80 or more for this game, basic QoL improvements should not cost 42 real life dollars
Exactly right! And each time we give a company a free pass with this bullshit, they’ll take it as a win to do worse next time.
Can’t stand the copium some people have with this, its bullshit they added it, they should be called out on it. Plain and simple.
It’s the same experience that was in the first game. It’s not worse, it’s the intended experience.
Yeah this should be the standard right here
This echo 64 guy really understands what gamers want. The same fucking system from the last game.
The last game didn’t even have camping, you could just use items to heal past white health instead.
And now you get to pay Money!!!1
The same system that had the majority of players begging for fast travel. They can blame the players all they want, but the fact remains that the game would be better if I didn’t have to trek from one town to the next again and again and again and again and again. The main story of the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent walking through areas you’ve already been through?
The “intended experience” is worse than the Super Deluxe Golden Platinum Edition experience. Do you really believe they didn’t design this game to incentivise these purchases? For one example, do you really think the fact that they sell rift crystals for real life actual dollars had no impact on their decisions for the cost of hiring pawns? Do you honestly believe that the fact that they sell lighter camping equipment had no impact on how much they made the base game camping equipment weigh? If they think it’s worth a couple dollars to get slightly lighter camping equipment, why didn’t they just reduce the weight of camping equipment?
Do you think that maybe the decision to have one save file per player and the decision to sell a single use character redesign item might be related?
It’s the same system as the first game. They designed the same system. I don’t know what is so hard to understand about this. They added skips for idiots that want to pay extra, but for the rest of us it’s the same damn thing as it was last time.
Honestly, I can’t take the outrage culture of lemmy anymore. It’s made this place unbearable.
They designed the same system, which people complained about the first time around. Like I already said, they added skips for idiots that want to skip the boring parts. If you know that part of your $70 game is so boring that people are willing to pay extra to skip it, just don’t include those parts.
Outrage is a social media staple, it’s not just Lemmy.
Thanks for confirming this, all the rage around this game is exhausting. I loved the first game, would probably place it in my top ten of all time. I have no complaints about omg actually having to traverse the world. It’s the way the game is designed to play. If there are paid workarounds to play it a different way it doesn’t affect me or anybody else who loves this kind of game.
It’s not significantly worse, the tent is the only item in the mtx that even has any benefit over the shit available in game. Even the fast travel item you can get the maximum number in-game and need to use a consumable that isn’t even in the mtx every time you want to fast travel to it. This game and it’s devs aren’t the actual issue, it’s the people running Capcom that insist on putting bullshit mtx in every game since the first dragons dogma.
In the case of the tent, the devs are actually the issue. They knew that they were going to sell a lighter tent when they released the game. If you don’t think the existence of a lighter tent that you can pay real life money for had any impact on how much the base game tents weigh, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I did say the tent was the only item with benefit over items in game tbf. That is a shitty mtx yes, but I think Capcom pressures their devs to include mtx in every game which is why you see it in things like Resident Evil and Devil May Cry over the years
Or companies could stop fleecing basic gameplay features that have been a staple of games for many years behind a completely unnecessary pay wall. Somebody wants to use fast travel, give it to them. If they don’t, keep the option available for those who want it.
The fast travel is in the game, the mtx is a placable fast travel point of which you have a limit of 10. All 10 are findable in game and require you to use a limited consumable item that isn’t in the mtx store every time you want to fast travel to it. The mtx are actually comically stupid decision from Capcom because they’re unironically useless if you just play the base game and serve only to drag the games reputation through the mud.
You literally can, fast travel is a part of the game. And just like in the first game it’s limited behind an item. It’s is the exact same system the series has had for a decade. Just they let rich idiots skip the system.
Again, it’s the same exact system that was in the first game
That doesn’t make it any better. That’s effectively just making people pay to access developer and cheat codes. I can do that for free in Starfield with the press of a button and a short command.
It’d be like Mortal Kombat coming out and letting people pay real life money to do an easy fatality.
There’s no point for them to do this beyond simple greed. Nothing more.
They just let rich idiots skip the boring part, you mean. The main story in the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent trekking through areas you’ve already been through before?
Who cares? If that’s what people enjoy who are you to judge. The way travel works is IDENTICAL to the first game. And now you’re outraged because why? You didn’t know what dragon’s dogma was? Sounds like you pre ordered a game and you didn’t even bother to check what it was.
I wouldn’t touch this shit with a 10 foor pole, but that’s because I knew the first game did the exact same bullshit. Your outrage is cringe.
I mean it’s clearly not what people enjoy given how many people asked for fast travel. Point remains, a good chunk of the amount of time it takes to play the game is just replaying the same areas you’ve been through before. I’m not stupid, I didn’t pre-order the game. I was just hoping they made the one change literally 99% of the people who played the first game asked for.
I don’t think you know what literally means. It’s something that set the game apart in a more hardcore way. It might be a big deal to you and other gamers with the attention span of a goldfish. That ruined a lot of franchises btw
Bet those ingame items would be easier to get if there weren’t MTX.
Its a full price game, it shouldnt have microtransactions
Y’all still preordering video games? I thought we had talked about this.
Worse. Not sure about micro transactions but the dlc was released on day 2 with no prior information or heads up. Truly scum of earth behaviour.
The “DLC” was available before release day and is just the stuff from the deluxe version but separated out so you can buy just the stuff you want. It has been all right on the store page (not hidden) for everyone to read this whole time. This made up story is from a reviewer that upon completing the game on their advanced FREE copy noticed the dev didn’t give them the version with the other camping kit and created this whole fake outrage.
I am taking about someone else on Lemmy who shared his experience, not a reviewer. I don’t buy games on release anyway so I don’t know the exact details. But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
How can you admit you:
- haven’t even played the game
- know nothing about the facts
And then claim
But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
Why is it deserved? Because “someone else on Lemmy” said so? Someone that didn’t read what they were buying and is going along with a clickbait article by a reviewer that had his feelings hurt because the devs didn’t give him the deluxe edition, and instead he only got the standard well in advance of launch? He could have righted his whole “injustice” with a $3 purchase for his stupid camp kit (for a $70 he didn’t pay for), but instead he wrote a whole piece on how he didn’t read anything before completing the game (he didn’t pay for pre-launch).
Mate give it a rest, stop simping for bad business practices.
This is exactly like any other version of a game that comes out with more than one SKU (bonus items). Only this time the guy that got it for FREE in advance wrote about how he didn’t understand he wasn’t getting bonus items. He then writes a hit piece stating even though he didn’t read, he should be entitled to those items because he didn’t know about them, even though he didn’t read (and his copy was in advance of release and FREE). It’s basically a story of entitlement, and how a reviewer has created a non-story over his.
I don’t care about what excuses you want to make for this bullshit. Stop defending these anti-consumerist practices, you are not the company, you do not benefit from them making millions from selling lazy arse DLC that is just basic game features paywalled off.
Oh so I have to buy the garbage just to criticise it? Absolutely not. And why did you assume that I know nothing about the game when my wording was “exact details” in reference to me getting the DLC dates wrong. So you’re also defending the bait and switch that some reviewers can get a copy with no garbage but they are added in the game at release. Doesn’t matter if it is done for all or just a few but it happened so stop defending assholes. All that does is give an OK to assholes to keep assholing. We already have too many who give into garbage like this and promote this behaviour so if you understand them at least don’t promote it.
Can you read? Serious question. There was no “bait and switch” for anyone. Nobody was sold anything and then given something else. And the reviewer in question would have known exactly what they were getting, and what was available, but stated in the article they didn’t READ anything before completing the game. Then they put out a click-bait article and everyone is coming out with pitchforks because some dude that played for FREE didn’t get the version he wanted pre-release. That to me reaks of entitlement, and a pretty “asshole” thing to create a hit piece about a game he enjoyed otherwise but is salty he didn’t get a different version with a couple extras to play well in advance of release.
And for the record, I am not OK with entitled assholes like that.
Can you read? Serious question. I am not taking about this reviewer as I already mentioned. They weren’t the only one, there are multiple which are probably like 100 reviewers who played this game before release and very few made a mention about the micro transactions and some were also a little surprised about it. Your intent doesn’t matter if you can’t show it well, whatever you’re posting definitely looks like you don’t mind this behaviour and were should stop criticising it. It is 110% fine to criticise something you love, if you don’t then you’re biased and your opinion won’t be taken seriously. Also you don’t have to defend a shitty corpo decision if that’s what you’re doing, definitely seems like it anyway.
Capcom would kill you if they thought it profitable. Don’t feel a need to defend these guys.
I have zero sympathy for those who got scammed. Actually, I think this whole thing is kinda hilarious.
You just have to bringt up an infinitesimal amount of self control. Don’t preorder. And you failed. Again.
Out of the 25 English language reviews of Dragon’s Dogma 2‘s PC version on Metacritic, only two mention the microtransactions.
What the fuck.
They got bait and switched is my understanding. The game they played included the content from the micro transactions without them being informed they weren’t part of the base game.
This kind of behavior should be enough for outlets to blacklist developers. But since they don’t/wont/can’t band together to do that, they have no say in how games are reviewed.
Not mentioning micro transactions is equivalent to not mentioning the price. Why review a game if you don’t know if it will be $50 or $100 at launch?
Capcom basically asked them to review a game that doesn’t even exist, they asked them to review a dev build.
They should automatically deduct 3 points from the publisher’s titles for “X” amount of time when they pull this shit.
Anyone that reviews a game in advance of release knows they are playing a different game than the release version. The guy in the article even stated they told him exactly what he was getting, but he didn’t READ it. Then afterwards felt entitled to those things in another SKU and so wrote a hit piece that everyone, that also didn’t look at the store page, is now all fired up about.
EDIT s/did/didn’t
This is only partially true. Reviewers know that the exact build and exact code aren’t final when reviewing, that is true and normal. The reviewer does however expect that gameplay systems, graphics, audio, and the rest are mostly complete with only minor tweaks needed. The game should be 99% done by the time reviewers have it.
Yet nowadays the game is not 99% done. This even applies to huge day 1 patches. Like great you patched stuff but also reviewers can’t assess performance and bugs properly for consumers that way. Same is true of monetization which is a huge factor for enjoyment in modern games.
thats part of the reason why i stopped trusting reviewers
The whole thing is a scam. Their entire business model is dependent on receiving early access games so hype will drive some ad revenue. How many early access games will they get if they give bad reviews?
To stop this, gamers would basically have to union up and full boycott any developer who did not give early access to their union’s reviewers. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
I refunded it because it ran like shit. This just makes me even sadder.
How and why companies do this, I don’t understand. Way to kill what would’ve been a great game
Money. Even if 5 people scream and get a refund or don’t buy it there will be 100 that don’t care and just pay. It’s the same with every bad thing like preorder, dlc after dlc, microtransactions for cosmetics more expensive than an full title indie game or pay to win in a full price triple a game (like star wars battlefront 2). In the end the group of people just buying is bigger.
Mostly negative is a terrible ad by itself. I am buying only games with either very positive or overwhelmingly positive ratings. Those reviews are tanking their sales I am sure.
I hope so and I’m the same when it comes to buying games, but e.g. the steam charts telling another story. Most people seem to not care about negative reviews especially if it’s a game they heard about before.
Yarrrrr. There be no such troubles on the high seas
Is there a cracked version floating around yet?
Denuvo, so no
Also no empress, so not for some time
It is shocking how many people there are in this thread that try to downplay this. And the sad thing is, most if not all of them arent getting paid a dime to shill.
how did we end up in a reality where people are actively defending a 70$ release priced game that is single player AND has micro-transactions. A game like this should be thrown into the garbage and everyone should be unified on that. Like it being single player ALONE should make it so it doesn’t have MT’s but it has both SP and a 70$ price point?
It’s pretty clear that many people here have not even looked at the Steam store page, and are instead falling for the bait for clicks and drama from a reviewer that didn’t read, and is big sad he only got to complete the standard version pre-launch. This whole thing is manufactured drama over something that was right on the Steam page since day one. You want the stuff the guy cried about in the article, buy the Deluxe addition. Is $10 to much extra, OK, then buy the individual pieces of the deluxe addition extras you want and stop with this fake outrage for a game you most likely didn’t even buy/play anyway.
This is all much to do about nothing. It’s all stuff you get in the deluxe addition and right underneath says - “Items in this set can also be purchased separately. Please be aware of duplicate purchases.” This sounds like people trying to find a problem where none exists.
The Deluxe Edition includes the base game and the add-on “A Boon for Adventurers - New Journey Pack”.
A Boon for Adventurers - New Journey Pack:
- Explorer’s Camping Kit - Camping Gear
- Dragon’s Dogma Music & Sound Collection - Custom Sounds
- Harpysnare Smoke Beacons - Harpy Lure Item
- Heartfelt Pendant - A Thoughtful Gift
- Ambivalent Rift Incense - Change Pawn Inclinations
- Makeshift Gaol Key - Escape from gaol!
- Art of Metamorphosis - Character Editor
- Wakestone - Restore the dead to life! (A)
- 1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Why does a single player game have mtx at all? I just don’t get the point of it.
To distract from the shitty anti-cheat they have installed.
That they put in, to force people to buy the MTX instead of modding the game.
It’s the stuff that comes with the deluxe edition, only they let you buy each piece individually if you want, which I think is reasonable. This is all manufactured drama by some reviewer that got the game for free and didn’t read anything about it apparently. It’s right there on steam, not hidden in small print in a footnote or something. If people can’t read I think it says more about them than the devs.
It’s qol stuff that they sell for extra money. It doesn’t matter how obvious it is. The problem isn’t that it was hidden, the problem is that it exists.
It’s all stuff that is available in game. This is a bunch of bandwagon people that don’t even have the game crying over this made up drama for clicks.
There’s obviously not enough in game if there’s a need for the mtx. Even if the game is perfectly fine without, it’s still shitty to sell mtx in a single player full price game so… I’ll just wait for the crack.
I saw it as a way for people that didn’t want to shell out $10 for the next SKU up (Deluxe) to just buy the pieces they wanted. The items this guy was crying about not getting in his free copy should not have been labeled DLC though, as that clearly gives people a false sense of what they are. I have also read of several mods already that can dupe and add things into the game negating the need for a crack, unless you are looking to rid the DRM specifically.
You don’t have a problem with the game having purchasable fast travel and locking a character editor behind the pay wall?
It isn’t locked behind a paywall, it costs 500 RC which you can get by literally not playing the game and having your pawn get hired by somebody. You get a fuckton of it just by playing. I’m mad because of how not only is the mtx clearly done by higher ups rather than the devs but they’re utterly useless and only give people false impressions about the game, which was a passion project by the director.
having your pawn get hired by somebody
Can your pawn get hired if you play this single player game offline? You don’t think that maybe the fact that they were going to sell rift crystals for real life money had any impact on how they balanced in game prices?
It’s the easiest way to get it but you can collect a lot of it simply through playing the game as well, you earn rift crystals after every fight and it starts to really pile up as you level considering the only thing it’s spent on is remaking your character and hiring pawns (in the first game at least, there may be more uses in the second)
I wish more people understood this. Everything they are complaining about can literally be bought in game with Rift Crystals. I’m already at 2000 RC just by playing the game and my pawn has only been hired once.
Missing a /s?
Maybe I’m missing the obvious sarcasm, but why in the hell does a deluxe versions exist? You done screwed up your game if the game play is so tedious I want to pay for in game credits (rift crystals) instead of earn them. Hey they put in time sucks so bad your going to want to pay to make them go away instead of play the game.Why does any game have a deluxe addition? It usually includes more stuff up front. Did nobody read what they were paying for? It’s in plain English right on the store page.
Also seems like a bunch of people who didn’t even buy the game getting all fired up over some manufactured drama from a reviewer who didn’t read what he was getting for FREE. And now he’s all worked up because he didn’t get the deluxe addition for free and needs to pay $2.99 for the dumb camp kit or to buy a portcrystal or rift crystals or whatever.
You’re 🤦♂️
