• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    Surely killing elderly women will show the world the righteousness of their cause

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      kills elderly and rapes teen girls next to the bodies of their dead friends

      “DO YOU SEE HOW BAD ISRAEL IS?”

      They have completely dissipated any potential moral high ground they may have once ever had.

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        Palestine (as in the people of Palestine) had and still has the moral high ground - Hamas never did. They’ve always been religious terrorists.

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            An open air prison that is 40% children who literally have never seen an election and have been collectively punished for actions taken by adults before the children were even born.

            They have never known a world where you could build a home, work a job, and eat fresh fruit. They have never known human rights, and they have never had any consent in their government.

            Palestine is a concentration camp of orphan children and a few random adults. Most of the people there have never known anything other than brutality and privation, and they are told they deserve it because of the sins of fathers long since dead.

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              Sins of fathers long since dead? Bud, what’s happening right now is because of sins and atrocities from this week,

              Hamas hides among these civilians as they fight a guerilla war. Do they bear no responsibility for endangering said children?
              What about the parents who choose to stay in such a place and raise children there, where the genocidal elected government is launching attacks against civilians in a much stronger nation they can’t hope to defeat? The inevitable retaliation shouldn’t come as a surprise to them at this point.

              It’s terrible that innocent people get hurt in war, but that doesn’t imply that retaliation isn’t appropriate. Not retaliating has its own risks, that of incentivizing further attacks and bolstering enemy morale.

              Gaza isn’t a concentration camp because they can leave. Although it is temporarily closed, the door to Egypt has been wide open for some time for those who want out. When your government’s stated goals include genocide and refusing to negotiate in favor of jihad against an enemy they cannot reasonably defeat, perhaps it’s time to GTFO.

              The only viable victory condition for Palestine is to negotiate a peace with terms they won’t like, otherwise they will keep fighting an unwinnable guerilla terrorist war at great cost to themselves, as their lands ebb away one settlement at a time.

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                So the children who are locked in prisons they can’t leave are forced the bear the weight of the actions of others?

                Very logical conclusions you have

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                  That’s how the world works and always has worked, children inherit their situation from their parents. Let’s not pretend it doesn’t. I need not like it to acknowledge it.

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                    It sounds like your condoning punishing children for the actions of their parents.

                    The actions of Hamas are unconscionable and evil, but if you claim Israel is justified in punishing a million children for an election that took place before they were born then it sounds like you are accidentally justifying the actions of Hamas too.

                    It sounds like you’re justifying genocide as a response to genocide.

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            So less than 50% of Palestinians elected a party, and they haven’t had another election in almost 20 years.

            I guess they deserve to be shelled and blockaded. /s

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            The people of the United States elected Donald Trump and his politics don’t represent me

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          Those celebrating the murder of innocent people have the moral high ground? To be a fool. Palestinians world wide are out there cheering.

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            Ah yes, how could I forget. It’s just like how every Muslim in the world was celebrating 9/11. I remember how that was totally happening and not a ridiculous blanket statement

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          How can you say that when there’s clear video evidence of many thousands of Palestinians cheering the carnage?

          Many Palestinians are absolutely complicit in the terrorism, but that doesn’t mean all are bad.

          As long as Hamas has the support of the people, and I’ve yet to see a single uprising or attempt, then it’s nearly impossible to separate civilians from terrorists.

          Israelis have been in the streets for months protesting their government, it’s very evident many Israelis don’t support Netanyahu, you cannot say the same about Palestinians though.

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              If only Hamas had used the wealth they’ve been provided to develop the territory rather than turn it into a terrorist training camp.

              Their leaders are sitting on billions in Qatar, they receive enormous aid from around the globe and they use it for terrorism.

              The wall reduced terrorist attacks by something like 95%.

              Hamas is the reason Gazans live like they do. Egypt cut off access for the same reasons as Israel. Are you taking issue with their not providing water and fuel?

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                I’m not defending Hamas. Hamas is shit. But Hamas exists because of Israel. Israel took Palestine’s land had continued to encroach on it ever since with illegal settlements

                Who do you expect to rise up in Palestine when half of the population is kids?

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                  Israel took Palestines land?

                  Jews have lived in the region for thousands of years. Their returning to THEIR ancestral homelands isn’t stealing the land. I agree the settlements are inciting, the Palestinians have turned down a dozen peace deals that would have stopped them because they insist all Jews must die.

                  If Palestinians won’t rise up against Hamas, Israel will do it for them. They sure have no problem finding people to take up arms against IDF soldiers.

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        In response Israel is bombing the living hell out of Gaza. I just read 4 journalists and dozens of children are already dead, a number that is certainly going to go up. Nobody in this conflict has any leg to stand on. We suck so bad as a species.

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      It’s almost as if both sides lost their credibility by commiting atrocious terrorists acts as a way to denouce what the other side is doing to them.

      We need to stop the narrative that it has to be bad guys vs. good guys - both sides are the bad guys in this historical conflict.

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        I recently watched the first episode of a documentary series about the troubles in Northern Ireland (Once Upon a Time in Northern Ireland). In it they interviewed both former IRA and former UDF members. Both groups described how real their hatred was for the other side and the certainly they had that their cause was righteous. In hindsight both groups talked of how stupid they now feel, how their actions didn’t serve anything other than to perpetuate the cycle of violence that their community was stuck in. I see so many parallels to the crisis in Gaza to this. I don’t expect a Good Friday-like agreement in Gaza, but I sure do hope I’m wrong.