• The Menemen!@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    That conflict is just 76 years old. Even the idology that caused the conflict ist just 130 years old. Before the British colonialism the region had almost no conflict since the crucades.

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Holy shit these comments…

    Guys, I think you have over-saturated your target forum. Too many on the same site, you gotta tell the higher ups to spread it around more so it’s not so obvious.

    Edit: Just for folks who may not understand: Harris has to walk a fine rhetorical line before the election. The reality is, if she comes out strongly about Israel/Palestine in any way whatsoever, she will lose. People here can’t seem to grasp this fact. Maybe they don’t live in the US and understand the political/social climate here? Or perhaps they’re just too young?

    She will lose, and Trump will give Netanyahu carte blanche to expand his ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

    I wish I knew how Harris actually feels about the situation, and I believe her reticence to support Israel in the way Biden has is a good sign. But no, I wish I knew what she’s going to do; all I know is that it’s far better than the only other possible alternative. Anyone who’s gonna say ‘der how you know that,’ is disingenuous as fuck. You know why. I’m not going to explain that shit again.

  • underwire212@lemm.ee
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    Lmao genocide is not a “highly complex geopolitical issue”

    It is neocolonialism that has been going on for a while (not 1000 years??) and is now ramping up to full on blatant murder, genocide, and devastation for the Palestinian peoples.

    I can think of something US govt can do literally right now to help; STOP GIVING ISRAEL FUCKING WEAPONS!

    But then the poor investors of aero/defense industrial complex will whine and complain that their Raytheon stock went down 5% ☹️. Can’t have that now can we

  • StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    This breaks rule 2. “No misinformation” Israel is not a 1000 years old it is less than 100 years old

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    What 1000 year conflict? The nakba was less than a century ago. Plus “please stop giving 2000 pound bombs to Israel to commit a genocide with” is a very far cry from “please end the Israeli apartheid state”.

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    There was no massive Jewish/Muslim conflict for a 1000 years in the region. The biggest massacre in the region against the Jews was probably the Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, albiet exact numbers are not available. The crusaders killed everyone in the city with a death toll as low as 3000 to as high as 70000. This includes all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

    When I tried to look at the pogroms done against Jews in the Levant the history is actually remarkably scant. While they did happen, my impression based on just reading the wiki article was that they were caught up in larger conflicts in the region and it wasn’t a deliberate targetting in the same way the Tsar’s cossacks targetted Jews. And in all those cases the dominant power always came to their rescue and compensated them for the damages done by their persecutors. Also it appears that the worst perps weren’t Muslims, but Druze (who are not Muslims).

    In short, Trump is not only highly dishonest, but also a worthless shitbag who has been struggling his entire life to enshittify the world we all live in. He is worse than Bezos or Zuckerberg, because at least Amazon is a decent shopping platform, and Zuckerberg’s facebook helped many people (myself included) to reconnect with childhood friends that I thought I would never speak to again).

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    Stop killing Palestinians is such a far left position man. I can’t even. Americans are effing weird.

  • ModestMeme@lemm.ee
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    I don’t know who is driving the Gaza protest rhetoric. It’s a question that should be answered. Because the absolute anti-Democrats narrative while simultaneously getting extraordinarily butthurt if anyone points out the Trump/Republican stance (and the fact it’s Congress that votes the Israeli aid) is indicative of foreign-based propaganda that cares NOT AT ALL about Gaza. It’s about getting Trump re-elected. Either that or the people posting here and across social media calling this war a genocide are just plain stupid or really, really feel self-fulfilled by their own anger.

    You wanna complain about an actual genocide, look up what’s happening in Sudan as we speak.

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    This is classic liberal brain worm nonsense.

    Blue maga cultists world rather blame leftists than get your shitty candidate in line with her genocidal policies.

    It’s not a difficult situation to resolve: stop supplying Israel with weapons and support.

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    Imagine a scenario with multiple political parties competing to defeat the Republicans. With more representative electoral systems, voters could choose any candidate they prefer, ensuring that even if their choice doesn’t win, their vote can still be counted against the republican party with no spoiler effect. Since voting methods are determined at the state level, we don’t need to wait for federal changes; some states have already implemented electoral reform. Alaska recently picked a more moderate conservative over Sarah Palin because of Ranked Choice voting

    Who would oppose having multiple chances to take power from the Republican Party? The Democratic Party would. In states they control, they could replace First Past The Post voting with an electoral system without a spoiler effect. Yet year after year, election after election, the democrats sit on their hands and do nothing about FPTP voting.

    Democrats frequently acknowledge the shortcomings of FPTP voting, and have done so for longer than I’ve been alive. Just mention voting for a third party to any Democrat, and they’ll readily express their awareness of the flaws in the voting system used by most states. Comments for articles about the Green Party will further illustrate their understanding of this issue.

    The Democrats seem to prefer the country balancing over a fire pit of fascism rather than truly competing for our votes. Party over country at all costs.

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    This is extremely misleading. Fuck Trump 10000 times and kamala is the only sane choice, but stop trying to paint over reality to try and make her look like she’s not just a lesser evil.

    She didn’t just “not promise to solve 1000 year conflict” (which the genocide has been going on for the last 75 years),

    she did promise to continue funding genocide with American taxpayer dollars. (Of which the US has been giving and average of $5 billion in tax dollars and weapons to Isreal per year for the last 75 years, since they first invaded Palestine).

    We are voting for her because she is the lesser evil. We don’t have to be happy about it or stop criticizing her on her bad policies.

    Basically: Vote for Harris, but also fuck her for vowing to continue funding genocide. Trump would also keep funding genocide, and he’d also destroy what’s left of the west, on top of every other obvious reason he should never be in power again (and never should have been).