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    “totally not a genocide you guys”

    Fuck you. I know a war crime when I see one.

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    But according to western military experts that are promoted by bibi himself, the IDF is the most moral army on earth and does more to mitigate civilian casualties than any army in history???

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      Modern weapons are so accurate, so when I see this now I’m pretty sure that it was intentional don’t let them deceive y’all by the ‘most moral army in the world’ bull shit, Their goal is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian ethnicity, they want more and more land. It’s pure genocide yet the west still fund them what a world are we living in! Now you can’t blame a kid for joining Hamas when he grows up in all of this and see all his siblings die or his relatives. Pain will cause pain and violence will cause violence it’ll be an endless loop.

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        Now you can’t blame a kid for joining Hamas when he grows up in all of this and see all his siblings die or his relatives.

        When you bomb the shit out of any area you claim to have terrorists in all you do is create more terrorists. It’s like the oldest concept in history that we absolutely refuse to learn because it’s beneficial not to when you need a terrorist to point at to justify your bullshit…

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    Oh man, every Palestinian had an ID number? Man those could have just been tattooed on every person to make sure Israel could keep track of them better.

    No idea why Israel didn’t think of that. Seems obvious to use in your fenced in area that everyone has to be carefully released from for either work or because they died.

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            Is it oxidation? I thought it was a voltage control issue, where they randomly sent too much power to components and burned them out. And over time, those burnt out components and errors would compound and your CPU would essentially get Alzheimer’s.

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            Nah. Too many Intel fanboys. I know dozens of braindead gamers who insta buy Intel because (a decade ago) Intel had the best performance. I imagine they have thousands of equally braindead customers.

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            Intel was struggling beyond the oxidation stuff. ARM and RISC are gonna make them obsolete even if AMD doesn’t.

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        No, they could just use Amazon and Intel this time.

        Wait, they already are…

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        To this day I don’t know why Sun didn’t run a campaign with the slogan “we didn’t help the Holocaust”. Who am I kidding, their clients are all descendants of nazis supporting the idea of an American ethnostate.

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      every American has an ID number too… I get the comparison you’re making but I don’t think birth certificates are inherently dystopian. there’s plenty of actual shit to be mad about, such as 14 pages of dead babies, without having to complain about mundane shit

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        LOL yeah I know. They actually are helpful for any developed country but seeing a document of a list of 34,000 dead humans from newborns to “old” that Palestine is trying to prove were real (because the number dead is way higher) by using the identification numbers and knowing how Israel uses their labor force and tracks them made me feel the parallels to a historical use, a little heavily.

        I kinda figured they should just go all the way with it.

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      People will read this and not even blink with a sense of irony, we are that far deep into replay of history.

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        It’s a shame that people who were historically tormented by disgusting people can turn out to be infinitely more reprehensible… I’m looking at you netanyahu you scumbag Nazi

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          Just because they share the same religion doesn’t mean they’re the same kind of people.

          That bunch in Israel have even accused a Holocaust Survivor of being an anti-semite for criticizing Israel, and most modern Israelis did not came from Western Europe. Most of them they share no other characteristic with the victims of the Holocaust than religious affiliation, certainly not being against racism or having other modern humanist values.

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          Holy shit… Never thought of it like that… But yes!! - just check out the comments referencing IBM!!! They’re still just fucking chugging along, line go up for IBM stockholders, as if it was no fucking big deal to make the very goddamn punchcards and tabulators that led so many Jews to their horrible, untimely ends in all those concentration camps. And now, I guess “business” is good again…

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          Yes, it hasn’t yet reached the threshold needed to tickle the sensibility of the humane and civilized beings we claim to be. It can go further a bit.

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    Those children could’ve grown up to do some amazing things in many different industries (and no, terrorism is NOT one of them), but because they’re unlucky enough to be born in Gaza, they have to deal with constant bombing, lack of food and water, damages in physical and mental health, and eventually death, before they even turn 18. Sometimes it’s even abrupt and sudden.

    Has Israel not yet learned how cruel this is? And THEY’RE the ones that get all the funding to do this. Oh, but if I say anything bad about Israel then I’m “antisemitic” MY ASS. You’re killing literal children and I want the whole world to know about it.

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      Or you know, Hamas could have built bomb shelters for the people they’re “protecting”. Instead they built tunnels for themselves and keeping hostages, dragged Gaza into a needless war with Israel, all the while its own leaders live in the comfort of Iran’s mad regime that also funds them.

      Maybe the Muslim brotherhood would help out these children by accepting them as refugees, but I guess nobody wants another Black September where PLO attempted a coup on the Jordanian king that accepted Palestinian refugees, huh?

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          Yea instead of even attempting to engage with any of the points I made write a witty comment. That will show that you know what you’re talking about! 👍

          I literally didn’t say what you said, as a matter of fact this entire thread says that its everyone’s BUT Hamas fault. I was making a point that they could have and should have done significantly more to ensure that this tragedy doesn’t happen.

          What Israel is doing isn’t good but pretending that this is a one sided issue is a ridiculous misunderstanding of the entire problem, which is by the way the theme of everyone who made up their minds in the last year regarding “which side they support”

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                Or, you know, if the IDF didn’t attack civilians. How about the settlers attacking villages on the west bank, would you be ok if there was retaliation for that seeing as they just shouldn’t be doing that?

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                How many pages of dead babies are necessary before this becomes unacceptable to you? 20? 50? 100? 200? Where’s the line where you step back and say “Okay this is too far”? Or is absolute genocide of the entirety of Palestine acceptable to you?

                You have no fucking idea whether those babies parents supported hamas or not. You have condemned all Palestinians to death because of Hamas.

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                  I don’t know?

                  How many pages of dead babies are necessary before Hamas releases the hostages.

                  The single reason this war is ongoing is cos Hamas still has hostages.

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                Uhh yeah probably not, actually.

                The death toll for babies wasn’t exactly amazing for palestinians before Israel went full gloves off and just directly started dropping bombs on them.

                You know the whole open air poorly kept prison camp thing wasn’t apparently the best place for keeping people alive in and Israel was tossing a few bombs and military stunts every now and again just to keep them on their toes and squeeze in the border every so often.

                So, all those kids ? Nah there would still be plenty of blood spillt just not all of it.

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        Why the fuck would Hamas build bomb shelters to protect civilians from Israel, when Hamas is literally funded by Israel?

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      Being born there is the first step to becoming terrorist scum, they had it coming!

      /s just in case if that wasn’t obvious

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        I’ve never met a Palestinian but every Palestinian I’ve ever met has been a terrorist.

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      They had it coming! Should’ve picked a different place to be born.

      They certainly should have! Poor kids. (I didn’t miss your sarcasm, just adding to it)

      Look what the older Palestinian kids have had to endure:

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        This graphic is a year old! It’s actually seventeen years since that blockade now.

        I wonder why some people there might think violence is the only thing their enemy would understand. Really a mystery.

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          There might be an updated version at the visualizing palestine website. I was happy when they updated it to add the current conflict, but that was months after it started…

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      That was the point of the action. Iran understands the hatred by the Israeli state for the Palestinian people (condoned, sometimes commended by western imperialist interests, particularly the British empire and the United States) only required provocation before Israel would commit atrocities that could be called a holocaust. So the Iranian intelligence state funded Hamas to cause trouble.

      And they played Netanyahu the way Martin Luther King Jr. played US police departments.

      The difference is, information from Palestine leaks out better now than it did throughout the 20th century, so the global public, especially in industrialized states, gets to look at it. We get to know what is happening and it is more frightening than we imagined.

      The horror of the German holocaust, according to our own nations and their state departments, is not what was done, but to whom.

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        “Iran made me do a genocide” is certainly a take. One of the most takes of all time, even.

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          Yeah, Iran made me do a genocide the way a wife made her abusive spouse do a domestic violence. More that Iran knew the Israeli administration (Netanyahu and friends) were totally eager to accelerate the genocide (it has already been happening), and provided them an easy excuse, because drunk daddy can’t help himself.

          This is why the US has been screaming at Bibi, Don’t! It’ll be just like Fallujah! It’s a trap! And Bibi couldn’t listen with that kind of temptation.

          (And yes, this is one of those hazards whenever Trump is in the White House, because Trump can’t help himself either.)

          Israel, and the current western response to Israel is laying plain for the entire international community that we are at our base, imperialists who won’t suffer non-whites or non-Christians. The US has yet to demonstrate otherwise, and in on the verge of possibly installing a one-party autocracy. Iran got all that it hoped for and more.

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            Why exactly would Iran hope for the US to be a one-party autocracy full of imperialists who won’t suffer non-whites or non-Christians?

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        “They made me do it” has been the main axis of Israeli Propaganda since the start and that’s just a variant of that.

        How about this alternative explanation: they’re stealing Palestinian land, want to ultimatelly steal all Palestinian land, are led by Sociopaths and Psychopaths and have an extremely racist society anchored on the kind of ethnic superiority ideas that would make Klanners blush, so they were always going to do something like this sooner or later to get rid of the rest of Palestinians and get the rest of their land and do it in the most inhuman ways because a large part, maybe even most, of Israeli society see themselves as “the chosen people”, a superior ethnicity and what the previous famous group of ethno-Fascists would call übermenschen, whilst they see Palestinians as lesser people, “human animals”, untermenschen.

        This is the kind of mass murdering Western nations used to do back in the days of Colonialism. It’s only shocking for us nowadays because we’ve evolved as societies and adopted Humanist values (though by their support of Israel you can see that many politicians in several countries and even a large fraction of people have in fact not evolved). Israel does in fact have Western Values, it’s just they’re the White Colonialist Values that many European nations had back in the 19th Century, not 21st Century Western Values.

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        I pray people with a victim blaming complex like this seek therapy before it’s too late.

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    Israel has one of, if not the best, intelligence network on the planet. They’re experts at cybersecurity and clandestine operations. They have precision weaponry. They know exactly who is in the line of fire when they launch a rocket.

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      Nah. That is just part of the lie to make you think they are some indestructible super machine of super soldiers when they are just people with access to expensive weapons.

      They missed an entire plot from their prisoners to rebel and commit a terrorist attack because they just talked about it in person instead of online.

      This kind of thinking helps Mealnie Sue housewife in Indiana feel good about the killing of innocents cause the greatest smartest force couldn’t possibly be wrong or uninformed about things.

      They know they are bombing civilians. They know that, trust me. But they don’t care nearly as much to know exactly who. That’s to be spun afterwards.

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    I hate this world and almost everyone on it. Myself most of all. 100% powerless to stop any of this. I want off this hellworld.

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      I hear you, it’s been a brutal millennium so far and things look like they’ll get worse before they get better.

      We’re all powerless alone, and I don’t see us being able to stop the worst of what’s to come, but there’s pressure building against Israel, against capitalism, against conservatism, against the status quo.

      It’s going to be a rough ride but we need to stubbornly exist and be present and visible so that the pressure keeps building.

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        We’re all powerless alone

        That’s the “funny” thing about it. ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.

        Media in the past that wasn’t purely propaganda for the sake of manipulating the population would have achieved this simply by the reporting done. Now all they do is give cover to the assholes committing the atrocities across the world and we have to fight with each other just to convince people what is actually happening and why it’s bad…

        Divide and conquer works and it’s why we never seem to make progress. :(

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          ALONE we are powerless. The really really hard part is getting all of us together.

          Nah dawg, that’s like our one strength and even instinct. See Bregman’s Humankind, for example!

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      Bitch unless you’re committing daily war crimes you had best at the very least hate yourself less than these monsters.

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      I really feel ya. It’s insane how, short of donating as much as we can, most of us can’t really do anything but watch this shit happen. It’s a fucking mess.

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        My father left this world at age 39. I’m 40 and I feel like I overstayed my welcome in this world by a decade at least.

        Time to remedy that. Godspeed to the few who’ll understand. To everyone else: my father had the right idea and I don’t know why it took me this long to realize. We’ll meet again at some inky spot betweeb realms. In the meantime, good night to those who understand. See you on the flipside, maybe, one day…

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          Hey I mean it, the world NEEDS critical thinkers like you. I’m rereading your comments and please, don’t let those thoughts overcome your better judgement. I KNOW that’s not any ‘remedy’.

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          Hey stop, I know what you’re saying bc I’ve been there myself. You haven’t any idea what the future holds is what I can tell you. There are so many good things in this world and believe it or not (I didn’t) they also come to you sometimes. Sending love your way.

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          I didn’t read this comment before I said I like you. I still like you.

          Wish we could have been friends.

          It’s too bad we can’t add MDMA to the water at 1 ppm like floride worldwide so people get nicer.

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      You managed to type four sentences on this subject and make every single one of them about yourself

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    I was trying to come up with some sick joke about the babies being antisemitic in the eyes of Israel, but I threw up a little bit every time I tried.

    And I’ve got a dark sense of humor, so that’s saying something. >.<

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    This is extremely depressing, These babies didn’t deserve this… No one deserves this at all!