• citrusface@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Evs make us reliant on lithium which just shifts the problem to another country. Additionally - the infrastructure is not there for evs.

    I think the best alternative right now would be biodiesel hybrids and straight biodiesel vehicles and FUCKING SMALLER VEHICLES

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        It’s not that easy. Sprawl needs to be addressed. Our cities are build around cars. You can’t slap a few busses in a town expect shit to work.

        I work an hour away from my home. I would take a train but there isnt one that is reliable or cheaper than driving.

        Having a light rail system that connected the east coast would take centuries unless the government acted with unprecedented action and speed even then it would be decades.

        I’d love more public transportation yes.

        I am saying right off the bat I think biodiesel would be a more viable alternativ as it could be relatively easily adopted as the infrastructure is already in place.

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      The best solution right now is to build out public and alternative transit. Busses, streetcars, lrt, greenways, woonerfs, etc are far superior and cheaper than anything we could figure out for cars.

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      Biodiesel is not a good option imo the NOx emmisions are generally significantly higher. Also most of the oil thats used to create biodiesel is not sourced responsibly. The production procces also still creates toxic waste although usually less than normal diesel.

      Source: i just wrote a report on this if you’re really interested. i can dig through my sources lmk

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        I’m mostly worried about the huge area consumption, tbh? Like, if you would replace all fossil oil with biodiesel, how much agricultural area would you need? Probably more than we have, I’d have to look it up, but it’s a lot for sure.

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          Biodiesel is not meant to replace all fossil oil and will never do so. But if you were to do so (with current oil sources) it would probably leave you with little agricultural land left. You could use algal bioreactors instead those dont take up any agricultural land but are very expensive to operate. You would also still need to grow energy crops for the production of alcohol needed for the transesterfication step.

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        Biodiesel also is pretty destructive to the seals on the engine as it has higher levels of solvents the eat away at rubber. Renewable diesel is a better option, as it has higher cetane levels and can burn cleaner, and is designed as a drop in replacement for dino #2, though I don’t fully know how it’s sourced.

        All I know is my truck ran like shit on B20 and not nearly as bad on R99. That, and the factory recommends reducing oil change and filter intervals by 50% on both bio and renewable. It’s a clusterfuck obscured by marketing.

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      Batteries are still better because they can be recharged without oil or extra pollution.

      You cant recharge an ICE engine without more pollution and oil

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        Where does your power come from? You don’t just plug into the wall and get magic clean energy. You are just shifting the shit elsewhere.

        It’s a lie told to sell you a good and you are eating it up.

        Less than 8% of energy consumption in the US comes from renewable energy. Another 8% come from nuclear.

        That’s petrol / natural gas / coal powering your home, factories, shops, and restaurant. Natural gas is not green, it’s greenwashed.

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          Where does your power come from?

          Right now? Primarily hydro with a strong solar and wind showing. Roughly 10% of my power is from Fossil fuels.

          You are just shifting the shit elsewhere

          Even with a pure fossil fuel grid, EVs still end up producing less CO2 than ICE vehicles. However, grids aren’t pure fossil fuels which means EVs are far cleaner than Fossil fuel vehicles. Especially in my current circumstance.

          Less than 8% of energy consumption in the US comes from renewable energy. Another 8% come from nuclear.

          13% while being one of the fastest growing energy production sectors.

          https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

          That’s petrol / natural gas / coal powering your home, factories, shops, and restaurant

          Not mine because I live in the Pacific North West which is the greenest grid in the US.

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            I’m just saying right now more than 80% of all energy in the use comes from non renewable / non nuclear power. I’m glad your area has great renewable energy sources in place.

            I’m powered by Sharon Harris nuclear plant.

            I’m not saying that EVs aren’t better, I’m saying that it’s not a magic bandaid. Obviously there is not one fix or easy fix.

            I don’t need to get into my corpo hate right now because I’m tired and I just wanna mine space rocks.

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          My power comes from the two sets of solar panels and batteries on my land. It is possible to do without fossil fuels. We’re not there yet for everyone, but the problems you point out are solvable, and if solar/EVs had the same amount of backing from the government over the same timeframe that gas/ICE cars have had, we would be in a very different place right now.

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      ‘Other Country’ being mainly China, which happens to sit on most of the lithium deposits on Earth if I am not mistaken.

      Also to a lesser extent, Afghanistan. I remember a few years back a report of huge lithium deposits being found there but uh… yeah good luck with running that operation.

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      I’m a big fan of hydrogen for stuff like cars. Install more than enough solar or hydro or whatever, then use the surplus energy to create hydrogen cells that can be stored long-term, so that the hydrogen itself is also created with clean, renewable energy, usable on demand.

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      biofuels like ethanol? less efficient and more expensive, unfortunately.

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        Biodiesel specifically due to it’s relatively clean manufacturing process. Cost not withstanding. Cost will go down as adoption improves.

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      Evs make us reliant on lithium

      Oh no! No the third most abundant element in the universe! WTF are we gonna do? Use another metal with a large valency shell that makes it ideal as a dense storage medium for electrons? the horror

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      Lithium for now, there’s no guarantee that will continue, but in the short-medium term at least, yes.

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      Bikes, bike infrastructure, and ebikes are about as carbon efficient as you can get without just straight up walking.

      But they’re not really feasible for most people because few cities have enough protected bike lanes and sensible zoning to let it happen.

      So we have much easier options.