And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

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    I’ve keep being put into a position where I have to further my consideration in voting for Biden.

    He’s the strongest the Democrats can muster, we can’t have any one else (but please don’t criticize him, he’s incredibly weak, a strong breeze will knock him over). Hes the best option we’ve got to stop a Palestinian genocice (oh except earlier today he vetoed a vote via the UN that could have stopped the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people). But we have to vote Biden because Trump would probably be worse (even though, you know, Biden is the one right now supporting the genocide. not hypothetical).

    If you think this delusional policy is defensible, right here right now, you are part of the problem.

    NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.

    THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.

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      You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left.

      This is fucking delusional. Democrats are not all further to the left than Biden - you’ll never get conservative votes, but you can sure as shit lose moderate Democrats. And the only leftists not voting Dem at this point, with ‘Day-One Dictator’ running, are people who run fucking purity tests and won’t be satisfied until Biden is waving a red flag. Which, while amusing, is not a realistic way to win an election in the current US.

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        Listen, I will be voting for Biden, who is clearly worlds better than Trump. But the idea that Palestinian Americans who won’t vote for someone funding the ethnic cleansing of their own family members are “purity test” losers is…well, its a take.

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          Yeah, no, if the opinion is that “This decades-long US policy of supporting a foreign country isn’t ending now, therefore, everyone in the US and in Palestine can get fucked, including me and all of my family members”, that’s not an opinion worth taking seriously.

          You can say it’s an understandable emotional reaction, but it sure as shit isn’t a reasonable one.

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            What’s unreasonable is acting like not supporting the active genocide of your own people is unreasonable.

            Especially since you’re conflating genocide with apartheid.

            I have friends that have lost the ENTIRETY of their extended families, you sick fuck.

            Mother, father, sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts and uncles all murdered in a single fucking night.

            I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing. Or, at least, not if you had any human decency.

            Edit: changed lost to murdered because they didn’t just mysteriously die.

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              I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be capable of looking them in the eye and saying the same thing.

              What, looking them in the eye and saying “Voting for millions of minorities in America to be oppressed and killed isn’t going to save anyone, but it sure as shit will kill and oppress millions of minorities”?

              Sorry that I feel that “MORE people need to suffer” is not a reasonable reaction to suffering?

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                Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.

                Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.

                What is your problem with Trump again? You don’t have a problem with genocide.

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                  Fuck you genocide apologist. You’ve made it clear you’re willing to sacrifice anyone for your own safety.

                  As opposed to be willing to sacrifice everyone else out of… what, spite?

                  Which, come to think of it, is an extremely right wing fascist viewpoint.

                  Fascists don’t go to war because they’re scared, though they often are scared as well. Fascists go to war because human suffering is their highest goal.

                  You wanna explain to me what oppressing millions of minorities achieves, other than human suffering?

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                    You want to explain to me what your are not willing to sacrifice in the ‘name’ of democracy?

                    You’re okay with genocide.

                    You’re okay with separating kids from their families and throwing them in cages.

                    Seriously, what is it about Trump that you’re not willing to support?

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              This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?

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                This frames voting for Biden as a white man’s burden to save Palestinians from their own emotions. Surely you see a problem here?

                Holy fuck, this is the stupidest and worst fucking take outside of pure genocide cheerleading I’ve ever fucking seen for justifying a fucking genocide.

                This genocide could be stopped tomorrow if the US stopped providing weapons and money for the genocide.

                This isn’t some stupid fucking “White mans burden” (I have trouble writing that out because of how despicably idiotic it is) bullshit. If we stopped giving one side the bombs, they would stop falling on the fucking Palestinians. We are directly responsible for the murder of their family members, and you’re arguing that they need to vote for the single individual that could stop the murder with one phone call.

                You want Palestinians in the US to continue paying for and supplying the bombs, shells, and bullets being used to kill their family members. And you’re justifying it with language that is supposed to be used for arguing for justice. Yay for intersectionality!

                You know those memes of a bomber decked out in rainbow flags as it drops bombs on some ‘enemy’ of America? That’s you. You’re using the language of progressivism to justify murder. Good job.

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      You lefties make me want to vote for trump. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life but I hate being associated with you idiots. Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.

      If I see one more “lefty” talking shit about Biden, I’m voting for trump and getting the other fence centers to do so. And I hope he leaves NATO and abandons Palestine to be left a crater so you idiots can finally have a reason to cry (wouldn’t matter since you’re always crying).

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        Biden is a strong president and has done far more good than any president in the past 50 years but you’re too far up hasan pikers ass to see it.

        In the interests of furthering discussion, what are some of these good deeds he did that you see as remarkable?

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          Lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years

          Got us out of Afghanistan

          Debt relief for student loans

          Cracked down on COVID and made real efforts to eradicate it

          Need more?

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            Lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years

            In the months prior to the pandemic, the unemployment rate during the Trump administration was below 4% for nearly 20 straight months — there was one exception in that stretch, when the rate was 4% in January 2019.

            Had Biden set the threshold a tick higher, at or below 4% — instead of simply below 4% — then “the longest stretch in over 50 years” would have occurred under the president he beat in 2020 and may face again in 2024: Donald Trump.

            During the Trump administration, there were 24 straight months when the unemployment rate was at or below 4%, starting in March 2018 and ending in February 2020, before the devastating economic effects of the pandemic kicked in.

            By that measure, an unemployment rate at or below 4%, the Biden administration is currently riding a streak of 20 straight months — the longest stretch in over three years.

            https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/biden-cherry-picks-unemployment-record/

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              But trump had the worst unemployment rate because of his mishandling of COVID. Two of my examples. Funny how you tried to focus in a single point (and failed) and ignored the others.

              You’re not good at this 😂😂😂

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        Great, now we’re having spite Olympics. What’s the point of citizenship if the citizenry isn’t going to take the matter seriously?

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          Lol no I will never vote for that moron. I was just behaving like you morons do - I must admit, it felt gross. I don’t know how you do it 24/7

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        Imagine thinking that your candidate is above criticism for enabling a genocide 🤡

        Go ahead and do what you’re going to do. If someone correctly criticizing Biden for being too right-wing makes you want to vote for Trump, you never had any principles anyway.

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          Criticism is fair play and he should be criticized for funding any war as a whole BUT Israel is our ally. That’s just how it goes. Although 28,000 deaths and counting is pretty messed up - I just don’t see how it’s our/Biden’s fault.

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      NO right wing voter is going to support Biden. PERIOD. NONE. You will ONLY get votes for Biden stepping to the left. Literally every Democratic victory in 60 fucking years have happened that way. But yeah, keep pursuing these genocidal right of Rumsfield positions, Democrats. I"m sure you’ll find that center once you have cripwalked past Cheny’s undead beating heart of evil.

      Sure, he’s not going to get any right-wing voters, but is he going to lose left-wing voters? There’s still a center, and the majority of people are in there. That majority cares about things like this.

      THe entire last decade of political progress made by progressives has been lost because of this idiot.

      What progress is that?