You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity.
Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
That “ALL” is literally, and simply, defining the guidelines of what gender affirming care is.
You are far too dumb to continue arguing with. If simple reading comprehension is an issue for you, then there is no point arguing about the complexities of gender and identity.
You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
I’m not saying lgbtq people should be locked away in a cave somewhere. I’m saying the current messaging I’m seeing is that if you want to be accepted, if you want to be a good person, identifying as something under the lgbtqia+ umbrella is the way to do it. It’s not the knowledge that there are other people out there, it’s the idea that this is the superior group to be apart of and everyone should want to be apart of it, and those who aren’t are less than. That’s the idea that I think goes too far and can push kids to make choice they wouldn’t otherwise make.
Suicide for any reason is tragic, and I suspect there are other things going on as well which could use professional help. It’s good things like the Trevor project exist to help with that. I know someone who works with them.
Speaking for myself. From around the age of 7 until sometime in college, then on and off after that for a bit, I thought there was some mistake and I should be a girl. I didn’t know that was a thing at the time, so I just tried to ignore it and told no one, though I thought about it a lot. I think it played a big role in my lack of confidence. Now that I’m all the way grown up, I’m pretty glad I wasn’t being raised in the current environment with it being pushed heavily and parents encouraging it. I could easily have seen myself going down that road and I don’t know what that process of realizing I was mistaken would have been like. Not a fun process I image. I still struggle with depression and anxiety, and if I was younger and seeing what is being shown today, I can see where I might think finding my identity is the answer… or at least something to try; I’ve tried everything else. So when I think about myself, I could see where the suicide rate would be higher. I’m depressed, I hear this can help, I try it, I’m still miserable… now what? It’s like the musicians that gets everything they thought they wanted, but still feels empty. I’m not saying that’s everything, just being honest about where I’m coming from.
It sucks she’s dealing with that. She doesn’t need to publicly self-describe as anything though, if that’s what she’s doing. I never understood why someone’s sexual preferences needed to be public information, and it seems commonplace these days. I don’t think I’ve ever explicitly told anyone my preferences, but I’ve had a lot of people make assumptions and talk behind my back about it. I still don’t tell them, as that doesn’t seem like the type of person to tell things to.
You might be right, and all I was saying in my first post is that time will tell. It’s hard to know in the moment what will be good or bad. We can only really know that with hindsight, which is true for pretty much everything in life. It’s likely that it will fall into the gray, where some are happy and others are not. If that is a net good or not will be a debate that likely isn’t worth having as it will only matter to each individual. I guess I’d just hope to limit collateral damage.
My first comment was met with so much hate that was talking with a friend about quitting the internet all together, as it’s seeming turned into a place I don’t like being, but I’ve struggled to find hobbies and can’t really spend time outside, which goes back to the depression… and so it goes.
Thank you for not using my opening up against me. The empathy helps a little, I wish you luck as well.
You really don’t understand what it’s like to be a kid, do you?
You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity. Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
And in many cases, this care is lifesaving!
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
https://youtu.be/dl0LZZFos-g
I’m not going to trust the the AMA, or the APA, or any other accredited major medical institution. But I’ll trust Youtube.
Holy. Fucking. Christ.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
That “ALL” is literally, and simply, defining the guidelines of what gender affirming care is.
You are far too dumb to continue arguing with. If simple reading comprehension is an issue for you, then there is no point arguing about the complexities of gender and identity.
The repeated personal attacks don’t help your argument.
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You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
And no one has ever strayed from guidelines for acceptance, right? No doctor has ever had to admit a mistake, right?
Lol what?? Strayed from guidelines? Those are medical guidelines. Go back and ACTUALLY try and read what I posted. 🤡
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I don’t know what you mean by the quote, “exposing”, “norms”, or “harms” in this context.
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I’m not saying lgbtq people should be locked away in a cave somewhere. I’m saying the current messaging I’m seeing is that if you want to be accepted, if you want to be a good person, identifying as something under the lgbtqia+ umbrella is the way to do it. It’s not the knowledge that there are other people out there, it’s the idea that this is the superior group to be apart of and everyone should want to be apart of it, and those who aren’t are less than. That’s the idea that I think goes too far and can push kids to make choice they wouldn’t otherwise make.
Suicide for any reason is tragic, and I suspect there are other things going on as well which could use professional help. It’s good things like the Trevor project exist to help with that. I know someone who works with them.
Speaking for myself. From around the age of 7 until sometime in college, then on and off after that for a bit, I thought there was some mistake and I should be a girl. I didn’t know that was a thing at the time, so I just tried to ignore it and told no one, though I thought about it a lot. I think it played a big role in my lack of confidence. Now that I’m all the way grown up, I’m pretty glad I wasn’t being raised in the current environment with it being pushed heavily and parents encouraging it. I could easily have seen myself going down that road and I don’t know what that process of realizing I was mistaken would have been like. Not a fun process I image. I still struggle with depression and anxiety, and if I was younger and seeing what is being shown today, I can see where I might think finding my identity is the answer… or at least something to try; I’ve tried everything else. So when I think about myself, I could see where the suicide rate would be higher. I’m depressed, I hear this can help, I try it, I’m still miserable… now what? It’s like the musicians that gets everything they thought they wanted, but still feels empty. I’m not saying that’s everything, just being honest about where I’m coming from.
My daughter is 13 and is a self-described omnisexual, but mostly interested in girls.
So she gets constantly bullied.
That seems to go against your claim.
It sucks she’s dealing with that. She doesn’t need to publicly self-describe as anything though, if that’s what she’s doing. I never understood why someone’s sexual preferences needed to be public information, and it seems commonplace these days. I don’t think I’ve ever explicitly told anyone my preferences, but I’ve had a lot of people make assumptions and talk behind my back about it. I still don’t tell them, as that doesn’t seem like the type of person to tell things to.
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You might be right, and all I was saying in my first post is that time will tell. It’s hard to know in the moment what will be good or bad. We can only really know that with hindsight, which is true for pretty much everything in life. It’s likely that it will fall into the gray, where some are happy and others are not. If that is a net good or not will be a debate that likely isn’t worth having as it will only matter to each individual. I guess I’d just hope to limit collateral damage.
My first comment was met with so much hate that was talking with a friend about quitting the internet all together, as it’s seeming turned into a place I don’t like being, but I’ve struggled to find hobbies and can’t really spend time outside, which goes back to the depression… and so it goes.
Thank you for not using my opening up against me. The empathy helps a little, I wish you luck as well.
Congrats on your C+ in your intro to formal logic class you took for your one philosophy requirement in college