To be fair, and I hate to play Devil’s advocate to this bullshit, but the US tried to share their “lessons learned” with Israel. The US repeatedly told Israel to not go full in like the US had done in Iraq and Afghanistan (read Felluja). After Fallujah, the US changed tactics and took a more “small strikeforce”, infiltrate and assassinate approach. Israel basically told the US to shut the fuck up and just started blasting.
There’s nobody better in the world to tell you how to avoid war crimes than someone with decades of experience in committing war crimes.
The US repeatedly told Israel
While sending them 3 billion a year, if they wanted them to stop they would threaten to stop sending the money.
You’re right. If the US stopped sending them money their military budget would only be 20 billion a year.
Biden made that move with Ukraine to great success, why not now?
If Ukraine loses funding it ceases to exist.
Right now, yes. Hell even before the recent war broke out, when Biden threatened to withdraw US aid if Ukraine didn’t root out corruption (a move Trump complained about at the time and what stirred up all the controversy about Hunter Biden - Trump wanted corruption to remain) it proved very effective, Ukraine clearly did not want to lose the aid and dealt with the corruption as requested.
What did you think I was talking about?? How was it a bad thing then when dealing with corruption, and why would it be a bad thing now dealing with war crimes?
I’m sure if the US withdrew aid to Israel, it likely also wouldn’t exist for that much longer. Hence why it would be effective.
Israel doesn’t have the enemies in had in the 1960’s. It would certainly be in more danger but it could also pick up relationships with Russia and China.
To be clear I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to clean up corruption and stop war crimes. I’m just saying one country is at the end of its rope and the other is very much not. That said, I’m all for cutting Israel off if they don’t stop playing stupid games.
Israel doesn’t have enemies anymore, it has customers. It sells weapons grade hacking technology to oppressive regimes - hell, even to the Mexican cartels.
But even so the US cutting them off would be a severe blow. Unfortunately it would also have significant blowback within the US.
Oh yes, just not existential.
So anyway, they started blasting…
Tired of “every political problem is US fault,” so I’m kicking the can.
Anything you want to blame on the US is Britain’s fault.
They failed to suppress the colonial revolution, and odds are, also caused whatever problems the US gets told to go police as the UN lapdog.
Blame the Romans!
I blame proto indo Europeans
Fuckin Lucy
What have they ever done for us?
Aqueducts?
What?
Roads.
Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health … what have the Romans ever done for us?
Brought peace?
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It seems to me that this is the one political position the author has: “America bad.” And everything follows from there. Russia invades Ukraine: Actually it’s America’s fault, because NATO expansion is violating non-existent treaties. Israel bombs Gaza and does the crimes against humanities: Actually it’s America’s fault, because Israel is just imitating America.
This seems like the usual “what aboutism” from Russian or Chinese propaganda.
What Israel did is really really bad, but America didn’t force them to do it. And America’s response of unconditional support is also bad, but they generally didn’t want this conflict, because it’s not useful to their agenda.
America does enough bad stuff, no need to invent more.
Tired of “every political problem is US fault,” so I’m kicking the can.
That’s the impression the article title gives you - and it gave me, also - but when you read it I think you’ll realise it’s far more than mere hyperbole.
Edit: Also, all the great bits about Great Britain are not English. It’s primarily the English (as well as a few Scottish aristocrats) who perpetrated all the colonial bullshit.
Bring back the Normans, I say. The only people who successfully conquered Britain in 1,000 years. Technically, the Channel Islands is the last Norman refuge. I’d quite happily have the Bailiwick of Guernsey rule over the UK - not Jersey though, they’re a bunch of toffs and should stay on their own Island, where the rest of the Tories can be deported to.
But I genuinely think you should read the article, all the way, if you haven’t yet.
Decades of US unconditional support for Israeli war crimes.
And general meddling in other countries in the name of preventing the spread of communism
That hasn’t been the rallying cry in decades.
You’re right. Before communism we did it to get cheap bananas. And after communism we did it because we created a bunch of terrorists that we now had to fight.
Wild how it happened under the last president then.
The attempt failed. This isn’t really the McCarthy era anymore. Interestingly, that article doesn’t even mention communism.
No it doesn’t. you need to have the context that Venezuela nationalized their oil industry during the Obama years. Was sanctioned, and the sanctions were redoubled under trump.
Nationalizing industries isn’t necessarily communism, but it is the issue the US oligopoly has with Communism.
preventing the spread of communismencouraging democracy and freedomLike continuously bribing the Pakistan army to remove the elected government
Tbf the people currently most involved in incidentally preventing the spread of communism are edgy internet communist teenagers.
Damn, I went into the article thinking it was biased and sensationalist, but it seems like the author was entirely on point.
Thanks for making me read it. It’s a great article.
It reads like a rant. Like the left version of OAN.
Sure. Its the US’s fault. Now stop.
It’s worth giving the article a read. It compares US attacks in Iraq with Israel in Gaza, and draws comparison with the “human shield” excuse that both have been using to dismiss civilian casualties. It also goes into the US’ weak interpretation of the Geneva convention and how Israeli lawyers are basically saying “they got away with it, so should we!”
The article doesn’t say it was the US’ fault, it says that the US paved the way.
Ok sure.
The US paved the way. Now stop.
I mean I was hoping you’d take the time to read the article and broaden your understanding, because it’s fairly apparent that you haven’t yet.
I don’t know why you’re getting flak for this. It doesn’t matter “who started it”. Everyone should just stop. Committing war crimes should be an easy thing to stop doing
Now stop.
Why? Just look elsewhere while the war crimes are being committed. No one is judging.
I think the commentor is implying “who cares who"s fault it is, just stop the war in Gaza.”
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Oof. There’s so much conflation and handwaving here it really reads like propaganda that requires buy in on an concept first.
Sure, US policy in Middle East was far from ideal, but example given in article for US massive bombardments were about fight with ISIS. I do not think you can get moral ground by criticizing that. ISIS should have been fought and exterminated.
Yes there is parallel with what Israel is doing with Hamas. But use this analogy to think about that it is not as black and white as most people here pretend to be.
Right now every participant in conflict has committed numerous crimes. There is ho moral high ground for anybody. Every side is lying through their teeth to achieve their goals. People of Israel and Palestine are dying while selected few in Israeli and Palestinians get richer and consolidate power in their hands. Both sides have been solidly brainwashed against each other. It’d take enormous effort to stabilize things. I have not seed anyone fitting the bill.
The problem is that I do not see solution with Hamas and current right wing government in Israel in power. But if the government in Israel can be (and likely will be after these events) changed in democratic elections, no such luck with Hamas. Hamas leaders already are promising multiple repeats of recent massacre. Their whole ideology is based on destruction of Jews from the very beginning of founding of this organization. If peace is to happen in future I just see no path other than forceful removal of them from the power. Do you?
The problem is that I do not see solution with Hamas and current right wing government in Israel in power.
agreed
Unfortunately adding “2 + 2” I come to the same conclusion. The only chance for this to stop is external force. Whether it’s weapon supply to Hamas or them getting ostracized by Arab world (I mean Hamas, not Palestinians). Democratic shift in Israel is a necessary prerequisite too however it can’t come with a weakening of Israel or we’ll be witnessing Holocaust v2. Most of my life I despised Israel for what they did to Palestine however in light of recent events I believe militarily they ought to be strong to prevent any further attempts at genocide of Israelis and they should stay within their own borders
What you describe they did it for 17 years - blockade. It did not work.
not quite. Palestine never got it’s independence and never had government concerned with Palestine development rather than external threats. I do not recall anybody attempting to aid Palestine to become independent. Israel’s “aid” was used as means of control.
I’m talking about two countries going their own way. That never happened.
I specifically said “Gaza strip”.
Either it’s my client or my eyes but I did not see mentions of “Gaza strip” in your previous messages in this thread. Sorry.
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3 billion per year to genocide supported by “left wing” Democrats
We don’t have left wing politicians. We have a corporate party and a corporate fascist party.
I agree 100%.
Neither democrats nor republicans are actually left wing. And both groups vote en masse to give Israel money.
I agree, it’s shameful.
Are you saying 3 Billion people die each year to genocide?
No, they’re saying the US gives Israel $3 Billion a year to commit genocide with
Ok, that makes more sense. I must have had a stroke.
