• Graylitic@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    No, again, that’s not how it works.

    Let’s look at the context. The US was a developed country before the USSR even existed.

    Secondly, the USSR took the brunt of the Nazi assault and took the majority of the damage, while the US was profiting off of weapon trade before finally entering.

    The US is at the top because it managed to avoid conflict on their own land in WW1 and WW2, while also leveraging this advantage to press Imperialist control over the world.

    The USSR lagged behind because it was a developing country and played a far larger role in WWII, simple as.

    As for China, you could say the same in reverse, the US is almost wholly dependent on Chinese production. That’s on top of Deng’s shift towards Capitalistic production over jumping straight to Socialism under Mao.

    All in all, you continue to substitute whatever views you want and ignore historical context. You also seem to not understand the concept of related rates, and think anything with faster growth in the past must be ahead of places with slower growth, regardless of starting points.

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      10 months ago

      That is how it works. It literally is how reality works. You can see it everywhere. You just don’t want to believe it because you want to live in a working communist nation but it’s just not possible in our Darwinian world where evil triumphs.

      If you want to build a social system that reliably and fairly provides people their needs, you have to take the Darwinist nature of existence into account which no social system, including capitalism, really does effectively.

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        10 months ago

        Why isn’t it possible? You keep making claims with no evidence, just “look around” as you vaguely gesture.

        Additionally, Social Darwinism is a Nazi talking point. Not saying you’re a Nazi, but you’re close to being radicalized into one.

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          10 months ago

          Because it’s nature makes it impossible. We literally tried it as a species and it failed miserably. It doesn’t even really matter why because social systems have to be able to weather any catastrophe including external ones that aren’t really its fault to thrive and last for long periods of time. The USSR didn’t even last a century before other countries outspent it from existence.

          In fact, any new nation that wants to thrive has to take that into account regardless of its economic or social structure or system of governance. Sociopaths, for example, have figured out how to break every system we have including capitalism and communism and they will relentlessly continue to achieve power over others as they have done for millennia. Another example is climate collapse. How will any system you propose deal with climate collapse? How will it prevent regulatory capture or foreign powers infiltrating and taking it over like the CIA did with South American countries? How will it prevent uprisings and coups? How will it prevent mass rejection from its people?

          Communism doesn’t take issues like that into account and so it fails. Capitalism tries through fascism which doesn’t work at all either.

          You both suck.

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            10 months ago
            1. It absolutely matters why, and you still haven’t explained anything. You just vaguely gesture and insert your own narrative to avoid critically thinking.

            2. I propose production for use, rather than production for profit. Less bullshit consumables like party favors results in less climate damage.

            3. How does it not take it into account?

            You can only gesture, you havent made a single point.

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              10 months ago

              It absolutely doesn’t because the fact of the matter is that communism has failed across cultures and capitalism is failing as we speak.

              Poor starving families escaping war and famine don’t give a fuck about why the USSR fell or how the U.S. purposefully installed dictators in communist countries to ensure the social structure wouldn’t be a threat to capital, they care about having food and water in their mouths and a roof over their head. And the whole point of you defending communism to your dying breath in an Internet argument is to ensure that happens, so explain to us how you want communism to achieve that without being destroyed from the inside over and over again like it already has been nonstop.

              You can’t, therefore communism doesn’t work. It’s as simple as that.

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                10 months ago

                You haven’t made a single point, only further proven that you don’t know what you’re talking about and can’t actually argue against Communism structurally, only that we shouldn’t go back in time and do the USSR exactly as it was again.

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                  10 months ago

                  You’re just not listening to what I’m saying because it’s not what you want to hear, that’s all.

                  Communism flat out did not work and that’s an observable fact. Nothing you say or do is going to change that.

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                    10 months ago

                    You’re just not listening to what I’m saying because it’s not what you want to hear, that’s all.

                    Capitalism flat out did not work and that’s an observable fact. Nothing you say or do is going to change that.

                    Now, are you going to actually make a structural point on why you believe Communism cannot work, or are you going to continue to be a less than worthless troll who can’t actually explain their views when asked to?