I understand your point but isn’t it also the case that the “political left” are the ones who promoted that we should be tolerant/sympathetic to foreign religious cultures, instead of informing the people that escape those countries that the hijab is technically a symbol of their oppressive upbringing?
As always, I mean no disrespect to anyone, please assume the best intentions, if I’m not using the correct wording for the current day please just correct me and I will apologize and adjust my language accordingly. I’m just an old bastard asking a question out of pure curiosity in the language I am familiar with.
It’s not a symbol of oppressive upbringing unless the person wearing it feels that way. You don’t get to dictate someone else’s interpretation of meaning of their own clothes. -the left
agreed. but if some culture says you have no choice but to do something that another gender doesn’t and it becomes normalized to you to not have that choice, isn’t that at least worthy of a reconsideration once you leave that culture?
in a simpler abstraction, if a person grows up in a cult where it’s entirely normal and okay to them to obviously and regularly give up their power to another type of person in that culture to make a decision, would you consider casually talking to them about it, from a place of love and concern?
Yes, always question what you were taught. But it’s up to the individual to do that at their own pace.
It’s the same with religion. I expect everyone to question the one they were indoctrinated into, and I personally think everyone should leave, but everyone goes at their own pace.
Okay, that does make sense, I understand. I appreciate you for answering my honest question and not judging me for asking it in a way that may have seemed ignorant. I wish we could have more honest, unassuming political discussions like this these days.
The religious justification for those kinds of head coverings is literally sexist. Women shouldn’t show their hair because it sexually excites men when they see it, and it’s women’s job to be modest to prevent that. That’s oppressive. Can somebody associate other, non-oppressive ideas with the garment? I guess, but it’s sort of like trying to reappropriate a hate symbol. There’s not a lot of point in it, and people will reasonably assume you’re a conservative bigot.
I understand your point but isn’t it also the case that the “political left” are the ones who promoted that we should be tolerant/sympathetic to foreign religious cultures, instead of informing the people that escape those countries that the hijab is technically a symbol of their oppressive upbringing?
As always, I mean no disrespect to anyone, please assume the best intentions, if I’m not using the correct wording for the current day please just correct me and I will apologize and adjust my language accordingly. I’m just an old bastard asking a question out of pure curiosity in the language I am familiar with.
It’s not a symbol of oppressive upbringing unless the person wearing it feels that way. You don’t get to dictate someone else’s interpretation of meaning of their own clothes. -the left
agreed. but if some culture says you have no choice but to do something that another gender doesn’t and it becomes normalized to you to not have that choice, isn’t that at least worthy of a reconsideration once you leave that culture?
in a simpler abstraction, if a person grows up in a cult where it’s entirely normal and okay to them to obviously and regularly give up their power to another type of person in that culture to make a decision, would you consider casually talking to them about it, from a place of love and concern?
Yes, always question what you were taught. But it’s up to the individual to do that at their own pace.
It’s the same with religion. I expect everyone to question the one they were indoctrinated into, and I personally think everyone should leave, but everyone goes at their own pace.
Okay, that does make sense, I understand. I appreciate you for answering my honest question and not judging me for asking it in a way that may have seemed ignorant. I wish we could have more honest, unassuming political discussions like this these days.
The religious justification for those kinds of head coverings is literally sexist. Women shouldn’t show their hair because it sexually excites men when they see it, and it’s women’s job to be modest to prevent that. That’s oppressive. Can somebody associate other, non-oppressive ideas with the garment? I guess, but it’s sort of like trying to reappropriate a hate symbol. There’s not a lot of point in it, and people will reasonably assume you’re a conservative bigot.