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This post makes me want to check out graphene OS when I get my new phone.
You’re gonna love it. I switched about 6 months ago, and it has been nothing but fantastic for me.
Sorta feels like stepping back in time like 15 years with a phone that doesnt track you all day.
This is great if all you want is a dumb phone. Or you’re perfectly ok without all the things that make your phone smart. Check the balance on your banking app? Nope. Venmo a buddy because your buddy is spotting you? Nope. Chat with your friends or family where they are, not forcing them to use another app they don’t want? Nope.
I think everyone should be picky with what they are comfortable using on their smart phones.
Unless you’re some kind of tin foil hat person or have a specific phone use case or a criminal or terrorist, there isn’t many reasons to root your phone.
Install WhatsApp
That’s when you lost me. Either teach your boomer relatives to use Signal, Matrix, or, at the very least, Telegram. Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.
I think you understimate boomer relatives intelligence =) Some simply can’t be taught.
Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.
I just hire a rando guy from a different country to become me on Facebook. Then I have them email screenshots to a different email. A separate person gets those emails and prints them out. They mail it to a PO box, which gets picked up by a whole different person. The handoff happens at 615pm at the subway on Broadway Ave.
I open the handoff. It’s pictures of my niece celebrating her 6th birthday. I give the guy a thumbs up. He takes that thumbs up, translates it back to paper and reverses the whole process.
It takes 6 weeks for me to respond. But that’s the price of security.
If your friends and family are willing to use those apps over WhatsApp than they love you in a way I don’t really believe is possible.
What’s wrong with WhatsApp? Honest question. They are E2E encrypted just like Signal, right? Better than Telegram, which isn’t in normal chats.
No its not. Only your chat is E2E, other meta data is collected. Who you have saved in your contacts, who you are talking to. Your friends, family co-workers etc. They are all connected to you.
So if only one of your friends were to voice their opinion about a controversial opinion (eg palestine, luigi etc) it will be linked to you.
I thought WhatsApp used the same encryption tech/lib/method as Signal? But again, as you said, still only for chats?
But how would anyone know if we’re talking about Palestine or whatever, if chats are encrypted? Or do you mean talking about Palestine elsewhere where it isn’t encrypted, and then it’s linked to me via WhatsApp connecting us?
Yes, if someone talks about it on fb or insta, it would be immediately linked with their phone number which is also a requirement for Whatsapp.
I was recently watching an interview with some tech workers who were fired for voicing their opinion against israel and one of them was from Meta and she confirmed that meta is closely working with IDF especially sharing WhatsApp meta data.
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It’s Facebook
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It didn’t work on PC until very recently
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It’s closed as fuck source. They went as far as sending cease and desists to third party client developers.
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It’s tied down to phone number and shares it with everyone you talk to
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It’s bolted down to gdrive
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Only boomers use it to send trashy GIFs to each other
That’s about all I have, but I’ve never actually used it. Maybe someone else could chime in with more reasons, but for me those are already enough to stay away from it as far as possible.
It didn’t work on PC until very recently
Wrong. It had an official webapp since forever.
Wrong. The webapp was (still is?) just a glorified remote to a phone app, and would cease to function if you turn off the phone.
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>reboot to bootloader -> unlock -> you will use your warranty -> yes
It’s fucking outrageous that companies are allowed to blatantly lie like that (you will not, in fact, lose your warranty – Federal law doesn’t allow it). Every company that displays such a fraudulent message ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse.
ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse
Fines don’t work, just start throwing people in jail already.
By its nature, the only penalties that can be applied to a corporate entity are fines or revoking its charter. The latter is what I had in mind when I wrote “or worse,” although I suppose piercing the corporate veil and going after the company’s executives personally is certainly an option too!
Don’t forget the part where the preinstalled OS forces you to accept the Google ToS. You just spent a few hundred bucks on a new phone and then it won’t let you use it without also selling your soul.
I am concerned to find myself in a green text unironically
My sexual orientation is now this post.
All that trouble yet you still install whatsapp. Make them text you by sms
Signal
SMS is literally unencrypted and contents of messages stored on your cell provider’s servers. At least WhatsApp is E2E encrypted (even if the metadata isn’t- just use Signal).
At least WhatsApp is E2E encrypted
Unless the source code is available it’s not e2e encrypted.
Make them text you by sms
SMS is expensive in Europe. There is a border and international charges every 100 kms.
SMS is arguably worse than WhatsApp, at least in terms of overall security
SMS lol
GrapheneOS. Easy, quick, reliable.
Yeah you have to buy a phone by Google but I don’t mind giving them money to reward them for making a decent phone with an easily unlockable bootloader that lets you do what you want with it, even if it means denying them your data. This is extremely atypical from a company like Google so I want to encourage that kind of behavior.
Literally the only reason i bought a new 8 Pixl Pro (absolut steal for 560€)
No thanks, I want root… LineageOS ftw
I was going to try this with my old Pixel 3 until I found out the bootloader was locked. 😡
decent phone
-costs $800
For peeps who want a lower cost option, Motorola allows easy unlocking too. I have a moto g7 power that I got for under $100 running Lineageos with microG. Its a six year old phone but it runs Android 14 just fine. I work in construction and I don’t even use a case because these Motorola phones are durable and inexpensive.
The easy unlocking isn’t the killer feature with regards to bootloader.
Being able to lock the bootloader again after having installed GrapheneOS is though.I mean, who cares if your boot loader is locked? I have ran unlocked since cyanogen mod days and never had a single issue. I’d rather have a better phone and root tbh
People who take security seriously do.
Just because you never had an issue doesn’t mean there’s no attack surface with an unlocked bootloader and root.
Due to the convenience I had rooted phones for years - without a single issue (that I was aware of).
Backup/restore of apps or phone, migration to a new phone is just so much easier with root unless you want to rely on ‘Google cloud’ for that.
But nowadays I value security more than convenience.
At this point, I find a rom I like then shop for a new phone in the supported section
