Cool! Key takeaway for me from this is Trump didn’t get more popular, Dems just got way less popular. Kind of brings a bit of my hope in humanity back a little
The fact that anyone voted for Trump killed my hope in humanity
In 2016.
Even more so in 2024, since we now saw exactly how he would be. He’s added 37 felony counts, the whole classified documents debacle, and more to his resume.
Let’s not forget the deaths of over a million Americans due to a wholly inadequate pandemic response. But I stand by what I said, I already lost faith in 2016. It was apparent who he is back then and I am beyond disappointed in my fellow Americans.
While Trump did a lot of shit, i am not sure if we can count the pandemic deaths on his cap. Looking at most European countries, they didn’t fare that much better. China with their full crackdown strategy seemed to only have delayed the pandemic to a later point and then just kept lying about their numbers. There is no way that China only had half a million cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Sort by “deaths per 1M pop”. The only clear indication is that countries that are known to be “poor” have much lower numbers, which probably has to do with a younger population on the one hand and a lack of consistent analysis and data aggregation on the other hand.
Trumps response definitely sucked and less people could have died, but realistically nowhere near the 1 Million. Especially as the US economy is relentless on poor people, so they have to work, no matter what. Anything short of seizing the billionaires wealth to keep the economy afloat would have kept the problem of economy vs. health. And no country did that afaik. For the US it would be unfathomable no matter the administration.
It was never about him - well, certainly by 2020 - so much as it was to pwn the libs of “the other side”.
Democrats did not listen, once again, while Republicans did listen - each to their respective bases, i.e. Republicans were the better liars.
so much as it was to pwn the libs of “the other side”.
This sort of attitude did not really exist in the same way before Trump.
Yeah it existed but as a minor theme - certainly it was an argument against the playboy Bill Clinton. Then liberals tried to use it against Bush after 9/11 and the wars though it didn’t take, and it also seemed to be a good at least half of Kamala’s current strategy.
But as the billionaires have bought out each of the “news” organizations and converted them into for-profit machines, the attitude seems to have risen to the foreground to the point of being virtually the entirety of the argument to vote a certain way. i.e. ignore Trump’s being a convicted rapist and felon, and instead just pay attention to how Kamala will not do enough to lower the prices of eggs, even while forcing parents to allow their kids to come home as fully trans after deciding to get the surgery on a whim at school one day.
In 2016 he was a protest vote and he was a joke, by 2020 and 2024 he was no longer a joke he was full on fascism.
Still kinda sucks that the Dems lost popularity. I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It isn’t hard for me to believe that 1 in 8 people would refuse to vote for someone because their gender or color.
On a side note, I’m getting older and losing touch with new music, but are women’s punk rock bands not as popular as I once remember them being or what? The world could use a little more fuck the patriarchy.
Im not sure, but I feel like girl led punk rock is making a resurgence lately, though the definition of what punk rock is may be arguable
Grlwood is an artist that comes to mind, but there are others for sure
Checkout ‘fuck me up’ from them
Ugh that’s depressing but I think you’re right.
It doesn’t help anything but if you consider that our population grew by 6 million during that time and 22% (kids) can’t vote. Then say that only 46% of the population votes… Trump should have had right over 2 million more votes this election, aka he lost votes when accounting for population growth.
Somehow Kamala is the patriarchy though?!:-P
Not as much as The Donald, ofc, but Kamala came across as being basically the same as Joe Biden, or at least it looks like that was what she was aiming for.
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Anyone you mind sharing? Id like to see what’s out there, plus I figure if you get 1 name to start with that’s decent, some streaming apps might find songs similar.
When I listen to punk these days it’s always older music, but I figure that is just the algorithms thinking it’s what I want because I started it with an older band/song.
I also should move on from Pandora at some point. I had the cracked version of Spotify for a bit, but never bothered reinstalling after I cracked my phone screen setting it down on a hotel bedside table. It couldn’t have fallen more than 2-3 inches. I wanted to blame it on the top being fake marble or something, but in the end the fault was mine.
Here are some of my favorites
- Amyl and the Sniffers
- Destroy Boys
- Die Spitz
- Lambrini Girls
- Mannequin Pussy
- VIAL
Sorry, deleted my comment because I realized the bands I was thinking of weren’t really punk necessarily, though they are counterculture. I really like Speedy Ortiz–they’ve toured with some big names like Liz Phair, and recently did a Tiny Desk concert. A few months ago i saw them live and a band called Suzie True opened, which is a little introspective about problems still but I think has a ton of potential to write some banger callout /protest songs and I’ve really enjoy listening to them.
Thanks for the response, I’ll check them out sometime
Not only every single polling data indicates otherwise, but lots of analysis are also identifying Harris’ interview on the View, where she stated that “nothing comes to mind” when they asked her what would she have done differently from Biden as one her campaigns biggest blunders.
Their focus on everything but the economy during the campaign killed them. If they’d announced a major economic stimulus campaign to get folks back to where they were before the pandemic they’d have won. That gaffe on The View pegged Kamala as completely out of touch with what’s going on for working class people (who are struggling, and have been struggling for quite some time.)
From what I could tell the campaign platform was “We’re not trump, and btw we support women and we ❤️ PoC/LGBTQ+” (which is essentially the same campaign Hillary ran and lost with.)
They didn’t brag about how many jobs they created with the infrastructure spending acts and didn’t announce any further plans to keep that going. If they did then they certainly failed to fill the air with it. There was no message of change and hope which, let’s be honest, after 35+y of leaving the bottom 80% out of the Wall St economy a huge number of people were waiting to hear.
Also “we love PoC” comes off as quite cynical as they support slaughtering brown people en masse and denied them to even speak about it while still wanting to endorse Harris. Meanwhile the white people whose country is doing the slaughter got a prominent place on stage to talk about their grievances.
Well one is a country the other isn’t I guess. And how is letting Trump I’m going to help that situation. The only way I could see it is if he stops funding Ukraine probably likely and Israel.
America has it pretty good compared to the rest of the world. I doubt since inflation is world wide that any government really could have done anything about it.
I don’t see how her statement can be considered a blunder in a world where the winner jacked off his microphone, had a full on dementia sundowning episode during a town hall, and espoused at length about the hog Arnold Palmer was crankin’.
What was Kamala gonna do to top that? Peg JD’s favorite couch on stage, and then motorboat Cardi B while Carmen plays in the background?
I think it would’ve been significantly worse had he been still running
I wonder if it would have been different if Biden was on ticket.
It would have been way, way worse.
Honestly there’s almost no way a sitting president gains popularity but considering his stance on Israel and stuff he sure as hell would lose some. I honestly don’t think it would have been better.
Maybe being more policy specific would have helped Kamala. But the Democrats just have so much PR damage they haven’t addressed over time, they are not doing themselves any favors. Humility can be an incredible thing but if you’re a politician being humble is the hardest thing to fake, so if you’re not, you’re not gonna try if you’re smart enough.
As a leftist (not in the US though) we just gotta take the L and that’s that. I’ll be waiting for the drop in support for Republicans after the fact and the following damage report from Rumpsteak’s presidency. Let’s just hope we get a competent cleaning crew to deal with the damage.
Also reminder that I’m on the hindsight 20/20 high horse so it’s very easy to criticize, but I genuinely thought Kamala had a chance and it was a good idea so it’s not like I make a good oracle lol.
I’m always confused by the need for the Democrats to be more policy specific, when they’re the only party that actually shares any policy.
I feel like people aren’t saying they’re unsure of the specifics of Kamala’s policy points, so they’re going to instead vote for the guy who rambles incoherently for an hour about evil Mexicans.I think this shows a lot of potential Kamala voters chose not to vote, instead of going to the orange Julius. Democrats have to be more specific with policy because leftists demand it. The right (Trumps base) doesn’t care.
It’s great to know theyre complete jackasses who would rather take trump than someone who represents 70% of what they want.
Very comforting, very logical.
I’d be curious to know how many left the vote blank because of the gencodie, but they will never collect or report on such a statistic. Its forbidden, even now.
It’s also hard to collate such data.
I’m not deeply into politics but it seems to me that the Democrats have a marketing problem. An analogy about “policy” is getting user feedback on a product and acting on what the user thinks resolves the problem rather than coming up with proper solution design
Most of the world are voting out standing governments cause times are hard all over. Don’t think they really could have done anything. It’s just part of the trend.
It would have been even worse.
It would have been worse.
When the final count is done, the sad news is that he did get more popular. And the wildest thing is the demographics that he got more popular with.
It’s actually crazy to see how little his numbers changed. Like, in the grand scheme of things, they didn’t change at all. 500,000 more people. Across the country. That’s nominal.
If the democrats continue to push this narrative that “swing voters” decided this election, we know we are well and truly fucked.
The fact people couldn’t be bothered still destroyed my hope. I know people who didn’t vote because of single issues like gaza. Well not voting sure helped the situation.
Ummm we still have like 5 million votes to count in california alone, stop posting incomplete statistics as if they are comparable to previous years full statistics
Ummm the votes aren’t counted but they have been received and accepted, which means the voters’ names and parties are known. We were getting numbers of voters by party for weeks before election day as mail-in ballots were received. But you’re getting a lot of upvotes so clearly you must be right anyway.
Long shot, but it would be funny af if kamal ends up winning the popular vote
She won’t. But this post is misinformation and should probably be removed.
I get what your saying and I agree, but it’s funny/sad that you could add all 5 million of those votes to the Dems and the graphic would still be making the same point.
Not really. 5% decrease is a small decrase, 12% decrease is pretty huge.
Well for one thing, it would go to a 7.5% decrease not sure where you split the hairs on that and as I mentioned that would be in the best case scenario where every last one of those 5 million votes went to Harris, which they wouldn’t. Comparing any of those to a .75% change makes it nuts.
Take 5% off you salary and see if you still think that’s a small decrease.
40$. Annoying but rather small.
Again, this isn’t vote counts it’s votes by party. We were getting these counts before election day as ballots were received, because they are validated upon receipt, thus identifying the voter and their party before counting who they voted for.
Wouldn’t tickle my funny bone.
Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn’t undermine Trump’s popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.
He raised a ton of money immediately following the convictions, which he then use to buy world series ads. The convictions without sentencing helped him. That judge knew exactly what she was doing when she delayed sentencing. Welp, it’s after the election, so is she going to sentence him? Didn’t think so.
They didn’t vote “for him” so he didn’t matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.
It’s more about the puberty blockers than surgery. That’s the focus from my media sources.
Are they doing surgeries on kids too?
I have read more than a few stories of teenage girls getting perfectly healthy breasts removed due to “gender identity”. It’s not widespread like it’s happening every day, but it happens.
The surgery stuff is overblown, but men playing in women’s sports is becoming more common, and whether leftists want to admit it or not, it matters to people, especially parents, for obvious reasons.
Until they stop supporting it, if nothing else, they’ll forever give conservatives a legit talking point.
In his words, puberty blockers and other drugs that were not approved by the FDA for their specific use.
Oh you know how it is - they throw just a ton of stuff out there in order to see what will stick. Yeah puberty blockers are among them - and ngl that is kinda messed up if a doctor is trying to push something that dangerous onto a child (established trans communities in the EU even agree on that point - yikes, how bad does something have to be when even the conservatives manage to piece together a half-assed understanding that something is dangerous!?).
But there’s so much more - trans athletes being in the same bathroom and how unfair it is that e.g. a testosterone-having person can compete on identical grounds as one lacking that. That one too is a hot topic of contention even outside of conservative circles as well.
The surgery issue was more like “gender-affirming care offered at a school”, and iirc it was mostly a purely hypothetical, b/c since when is America known for offering HEALTHCARE, amiright!? Also, I said “forced”, but the real thing was that the child wanted it, while the parents did not, hence you know, “forced”, b/c the parents (who own the child, fully legally) did not desire it.
The real truths, like abortion, and the economy, and literally all other facts, kinda get buried when we begin to discuss how factual matters can best be “used” for political gains.
They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It’s crazy.
Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.
You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.
To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.
Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.
why do you care about timing?
He got more popular, came more into the limelight and then committed more crimes. Then he was indicted because he was in the Spotlight and his crimes were too numerous and oblivious to ignore.
He did the crimes, that’s what matters. He is a felon and a repeat criminal.
You definitely sound brainwashed
What’s your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to “lock her up”.
Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that’s the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it’s a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home… to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.
Edit: I don’t understand the down votes. The lesson dem leadership is seemingly drawing is they need to move right and abandon LGBTQ subjects. While is argue the lesson should be, move left and care about stuff like universal healthcare and job security more.
Well he didn’t get 400 electoral votes, so their sources weren’t good. Though vs Biden he might have.
Yes, and the fact that Biden stepped down and endorsed Harris, nuking a democratic primary should be seen in a completely different light then.
“When someone shows you who they are, believe them…”
They’ve told you with the “eating the dogs” comments and hundreds of other examples… They aren’t afraid to confidently lie to win…
They’ve told you they believe they are in a way that they would die and kill to win…
Remember, years of false, unsubstantiated outrage is meant to dilute challenge to actual crimes and horror. Some things to think about…
And here’s more about voting systems experts that tried to warn early about potential issues like this
We can have measured confirmation, without conspiracy. We will review this election and make evidence-based arguments.
The richest man in the world owns thousands of SW engineers that remain in his companies (after all with any morality have been purged through years of labor abuse). He joked with carlson about how he was completely fucked if trump didn’t win. What do you think the richest man in the world is capable of in that moment?
It is surprising that the presidential Democratic candidate finally lost a popular vote after 20+ years, but currently it appears that she just lost. Sure, do a recount of a sample of suspected precincts. I am going to continue to believe that this is a conspiracy theory until substantiated evidence of fraud is provided.
As an aside, those images are small and I could barely read them (zooming didn’t increase image size).
Wrt photo size, likely to do with your client. Try clicking on them to see if they show full size. They do for me in the “Sync” android app
I still find it more likely that most of America is just very misogynist and in denial about it.
Ah yes, the classic WHEN IF/ELSE function
It gave me a chuckle.
Do you have more information on that claim that Starship was being used for tabulation in swing states?
Looks like that Kathleen person is making that claim, I’d reach out to them if you’d like expansion. I’m not on Twitter so can’t engage further. If anything, I imagine “starship” would be a common spell check correction of “starlink” as it’s a made up marketing word. To that, seems she’d be referring to the recently discussed rumors about musk starlink satellites somehow being involved in the collection/transmission of vote counts in some areas (I haven’t looked into or seen any direct evidence of that specifically), alongside things like Joe rogan just saying that musk “had an app” and he “knew the election result 4 hours before it was called”.
I’m more interested in hearing more about the “under ballot” concerns and the person outlining the simple way to get clarity here with strategic confirmation of votes in a couple counties with especially prevalent shifts as illustrative of larger potential issues.
I’ve seen a young women very stressed out talking in a video-tweet (originally from TikTok) about how a hacker-friend who works in IT security told her how the starlink satellites communicate with Linux servers which per se can’t “split the signal” and therefore could not correctly count the vote. I could have stopped the video there. If that’s Kathleen either her “friend” deliberately misinformed her or she is a grifter.
Than the pretty sure straight up fabricated lies about controlled crashes.
Also the fishy af Joe Rogan telling his bros about how Elmo created an app to get the election results beforehand was either a troll by Mask or Rogan not getting that the polls just concluded that Traitor in Chief couldn’t lose anymore.
OTOH I’ve seen a believable video-tweet from a mid 30 very american looking and speaking women in a very american looking home with a kid in the background who shouted something very adorable to her.
She talked about that she was requesting the status of her mail-in ballot from the election office and that it wasn’t set to counted and/or that they couldn’t find it, I don’t remember exactly. She seemed very authentic.
Republicans cry foul with every election. The Dems should call for a recount too.
We should always do a recount.
Summary of evidence and concerns: Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.
Starlink, Elon’s satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).
Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she’d been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).
They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what’s real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn’t agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).
Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver’s license. It’s not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).
Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It’s why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn’t tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it’s the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn’t a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups interner algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.
Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).
If you’re in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.
News Links
(1) https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA?si=mwgr4U2c2jleJEBj
(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html
(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108
(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436
(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986
(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement
(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e
(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11
(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots
(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html
Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:
youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y
In the first minute:
“Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico.”
“If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he’s referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states.”
“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?
youtu.be/Zmc0EN8XAY8?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb
Trump:“Our little secret is having a big impact”
If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn’t he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn’t get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn’t he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn’t he want an investigation this time?
#AssetForfeitureTrumpMusk
If they get locked into years of asset forfeiture from layers and layers of state and municipal claims, we may be able to stop them or at least delay them
I’m really sorry, but I think it’s much more likely that the Democratic platform was very unpopular because it didn’t really appeal to what voters cared about. It’s tempting to start considering conspiracy theories, and it’s good to be skeptical of the systems which govern us, but I don’t think it’s very likely that election interference occurred in this case.
There is plenty of evidence of voters who are really disillusioned with the democrats because they just don’t seem to be focused on the things that matter to the average working class voter - the cost of living going up while wages remain stagnant, entire sectors of the economy being captured by monopolies, public services and infrastructure crumbling, health care and education becoming harder and harder to access…
The democrats are the party of socially liberal, wealthy people. The republicans are the party of socially conservative, wealthy people. This time, more people believed the republicans lies than the democrats lies.
Holy misinformation that’s a lot.
Did you read any of these sources or watch the videos? The Starlink (10) claim is BS, as anyone with ears who watched that video can see.
That’s a link to a local news station…
Baldwin says access to connectivity was improved this year thanks to Starlink satellite internet.
Is it so hard to believe that a majority of theamerican population is just shit and the dems ran an especially bad campaign?
No, but also this.
Democrats have to deliver on the change Obama promised by giving 3rd parties equal access to elections in blue states. No amount of QAnoning will ever change this fact of life.
Serious question - someone is doing this right?
I didn’t read the entire stream of images, sorry ain’t no one got time for that.
But, I agree with all three of these things:
- It looks fishy
- Just because it looks fishy does NOT mean it is
- It seems we have plenty of time to spot check some of the most surprising outcomes. It should be pretty clear from that whether more recounts are needed, right?
Someone is working on that third thing right now, even if they aren’t advertising it with a press release, right??!!!
People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or “other guy bad” simply isn’t enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.
One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: “The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was.” I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.
Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into “Trump bad”.
Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she’d attack Trump, presumably because she didn’t want to be too “radical” in supporting policies that voters generally like
Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.
Won’t anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$
The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places “to make sure it’s a fair election”, Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.
This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.
(And this also doesn’t include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what’s on file.)
Truly spoken.
Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.
Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes
Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a “great recession”, I’m very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.
No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.
And that’ll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won’t work again, and they’ll lose to the greater evil.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin’s first term by saying: “We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections.” But that didn’t happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.
The ones who didn’t show up elected Trump. Good job, self-righteous dipshits.
They didn’t show up because they spent four years under Trump and four years under Biden, and all they got for the effort of voting in those elections was being significantly poorer, so why forego a day’s pay?
You’re the self-righteous dipshit for not caring about the quality of people you vote for.
Who would have thought giving trillions in Tax refunds to billionaires would result in the rest of the population being worse off?!??? And the nerve of Biden using policy to stop the runaway inflation Trump caused! Don’t worry, those people are all about to find out what real pain is when the cost of things start reflecting trumps proposed tariffs…
Although I’ve been pointing at these numbers as well, it’s worth noting that the effects of the electoral college is still important.
Dem votes were up in PA and GA from 2020. Maybe other swing states as well, haven’t looked. Trump’s just went up more.
Either way, I think all of the brilliant minds who decided to withhold their votes for Kamala for whatever reason maybe weren’t being very pragmatic given the reality of the binary outcome set.
We must be truly desperate to look to the electoral college for help.
Does anyone have the % change by state?
Not that I expect to see anything weird, but 12.4% stands out to me.
I can believe that Trump won on the backs of “people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot”, since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.
So Trumps base is just his base. It’s the 100million plus over 18 and probably eligible to vote (extrapolated from 2020 census numbers, with 77.9% over 18) folks sitting this one out or voting 3rd party.
What were the 2016 numbers? I bet his base is right there near 74mil again.
Hillary 65,853,514
Trump 62,984,828
Dang I can’t believe Hillary lost with 3 million more votes. That’s insane considering Harris could have won ALL the swing states other than Florida for around a million votes.
You and me both. Imagine where we’d be without Trump.
If Hilary had won in 2016, Trump would have won in 2020. The democrats are neoliberal, neoliberal rule will always push people towards fascism.
where are the rest of the parties?
On the “no one cares about the other parties” graph
The others are saying no one cares or they don’t matter, but they do if that’s where those “missing” votes went
According to Wikipedia data, it’s a decrease of 0.3 percentage points from 1.9% in 2020 to 1.6% of votes that didn’t go democrat or republican.
Though 5% of the votes are still not reported, so that might change still.
It is not
In all the swing states they were less than the difference between the two parties.
Eessentially Democrats last i checked and calculated on Friday lost 4 swing states that would change the outcome by around 250k votes.
They didn’t matter
Maybe you should search for some old threads and tell the blue conservatives that were foaming at the mouth over 3rd parties existing.
Are they working on solving First-past-the-post voting in there state now that the election is over? We will see.
I’m reporting this. Not beautiful. Very painful. Make me cry.
For fucks sake, THE VOTES ARE NOT ALL COUNTED YET. It is too early to be making graphs like this, its just misleading.
As of right now, California is reporting about 72% of the expected total, at about 12 million votes. If the ratio is maintained, we can expect about 2.8 million more votes for Harris from California alone. And Trump can expect another 1.8 million from California.
There are a couple hundred thousand votes to count in each of Oregon, Maryland, and DC.
I mean most states have less than 1% of votes left to count. What change are you expecting from this graph?
Millions more votes from California, Harris and Trump will both get 40% more votes than they have now by the time counting is complete. That’s 2.9 million for Harris and 1.9 for Trump. Completely changes the graph. Harris lost something like 5-10% of Biden electorate and Trump gained a few percent of his. Still bad for Harris but doesn’t support the narrative this chart wants to be true.
40% more votes than they have now is 28 million votes each. There is definitely not 56 million more votes to count. At best there’s about a million more left to count. Over 150 million votes have already been counted. That’s just about the vast majority of votes cast
Sorry if I was unclear, I was just speaking to California, which is the only state with a significant number of votes left to count. Last I checked nationally we were at 95% counted.
As of 10:30am ET on November 11, populous states that have counted less than 95% of the expected votes include:
- California (72% counted): current count is 7.27 million to 4.79 million.
- Washington (91% counted): 2.07 million to 1.39 million.
- Maryland (86%): 1.66 million to 0.97 million.
- Oregon (87%): 1.16 million to 0.86 million.
- Colorado (94%): 1.69 million to 1.34 million
- Arizona (92%): 1.47 million to 1.65 million
- New Jersey (94%): 2.14 million to 1.91 million
Just eyeballing those, and a few other smaller states with a significant number left to count, it looks like we can probably expect a few million more Harris votes to be added, and maybe another million or two Trump votes to be added.
So a quick eyeball estimate is that the 2020 minus 2024 gap should probably shrink by about half when it’s all counted.
Soooo I thought they were still counting some states? Not enough to change the outcome, but perhaps enough to change assessments about voter engagement.
Yes and no. California isn’t done, along with a few others. The numbers will continue to go up for both of them, and Harris will close the gap, but all in all it won’t change things too much.
How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?
It’s looking like a slightly lower turnout, but also there’s 5+ million votes still to count. So Trump will gain votes even though turnout is down. Pretty bad times, never been more disappointed in the electorate.
When you find yourself disappointed with the world, that’s a good moment to stop and ask yourself “what am I not seeing?”
where did you get that we have the same turnout both times?
Honour and Cultivation said so
This feels like a Sanderson reference, but I still don’t get it. What are you trying to express?
edit: Oh. replying to “odium”.
Sorry. I was tired and wanted to get something out before it was too late.
But yeah, a lame attempt at a Sanderson reference
