Democrats are committed to losing and are turning towards “we gotta be more racist and transphobic”.
Seth Moulton also turning on trans people and outright declaring himself transphobic after prior tweets recognising things like Trans Day of Remembrance.
https://x.com/SLCLunk/status/1854597079773200550
“Progressive era has to end” from Elise Jordan. When was there ever one?
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Marx and Lenin continue to be vindicated by the passage of time.
No, the Democrats will not shift left. Their donors would rather they lose to republicans than win on a more progressive platform, and as such will not shift left.
No, we cannot “elect good democrats” to shift the party to the left. The DNC is an organization that has perfected itself as an anti-radical filter. Those who can fundraise well are elevated to the top, those who speak up against injustice are shunned and whipped.
We must actively organize outside the DNC and pressure the system. I keep an intro to Marxism-Leninism list I can link if anyone wants it, let me know.
I do.
Here it is, Cowbee’s “Read Theory, Darn It!” beginner reading list. All except one work has an audiobook alternative linked, otherwise there are text links directly to said works. It starts off with foundations, then builds on said foundations, ending with some practical advice on how to conduct yourself as a Leftist in general. I also include intersectional theory regarding trans and enby liberation, gay rights and history, and decolonialism.
Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions!
That’s awesome. Thank you. I will need that audio. I have head injury from a bike/car accident a few years ago. I can’t read any more than two pages before my memory drops everything i just read about %50 of the time. That’s how i “read” Gary Webb’s biography not long ago!
Sorry to hear that, that’s awful. I’m happy that audiobooks still work for you, though!
Bernie isn’t spewing bullshit. Jaime Harrison can fuck off.
Wow. Theyre doubling down? Fucking idiots.
At this point they’re quadrupuling down. Not our first rodeo, brochacho
They and most of their constituents are tripping down
Just a reminder people who can’t beat Lindsay Graham aren’t worth listening to electorally.
To be fair, in South Carolina, Jesus could run as a Democrat and somehow lose to Lindsey Graham with likely voters.
This is the second time this has happened. Democrats in the 50s-60s realized they could get votes in the North by not being racist, while Republicans at the same time realized they could get votes in the South by being racist. It just really shows that neither side really cares all that much, it’s mostly a show for political gain.
Dang it the onion! You gotta stop with the news and get back to over the top satire. You are fooling people into hope again.
Sounds like something a loser would say.
You know what could prove him wrong? Maybe electing a president? Or winning the house? Or the Senate?
Oh, I mean surely if what he is saying is such bullshit you guys got at least 2/3 of these right?
Democrats in denial.
Are you sure they are committed to losing and not committed to trying to win by adopting republican tactics?
It’s the same picture
Fun fact: 90% of Democrats quit moving towards the right before getting moderate republican support.
But on a serious note, I remember seeing a bunch of comments on Lemmy about how Trump was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again, yet this is something that might actually happen to the Democrats, given how they’re seemingly pointing fingers at everyone trying to find who to blame and who’s responsible. I really hope they don’t delude themselves into learning the wrong lessons, but it seems likely to happen.
was guaranteed to lose against Kamala and then far-right would splinter and die out and everything would be fine again
At this point the only thing I’m hoping for is that this happens in 4 years when Trump can’t legally run as president again. No figurehead, no MAGA.
Wishful thinking, but possible.
As for the democratic party, yeah pretty much. I think it’s been clear for a while that voters are unhappy with the DNC and reluctantly accept the lack of actual progressive policy. Much like the Republican party has been split from MAGA and “classical conservatism” for lack of a better phrase, the Democratic party has been split between liberals and leftists.
The difference is that classical conservatives will always vote in party lines, making the MAGA figurehead their guaranteed pick.
Democratic don’t always pick their party line. Sometimes we get independents or multiple Democrats, sometimes we just don’t show up to vote if the candidate isn’t as good as they should be. So like many have been saying, if we get an actual leftist candidate, it’s possible we would actually have significantly higher voter turnout.
Quadrupling down is a bold move, DNC. Let’s see if it pays off.
Can we lose to Trump a third time? We shall see!
They will try
In this timeline, Dems will endorse and successfully help pass a repeal of the 22nd Amendment so they can run against Trump again (because he’s so beatable!) and still lose.
please don’t give them ideas
fuck me. lmao.
There will be no 3rd time, he didn’t even want to step down last time
Spoiler alert, it won’t. They were already alienating their base by playing the “both sides” card.
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Nope. That will definitely not work, like at all. The Democrats can’t simply debate bro their way out of this.
Obama did this very thing and basically destroyed him and gave him an origin story
Maybe Obama destroyed Trump for you, but not for the voters who voted for Trump, or else they wouldn’t have voted for him.
If fact, the Democratic party is a joke to many petit bourgeois. And also for many working class people, because it abandoned them about 40 years ago in favor of neoliberalism, and has only further abandoned them since[1].
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This sounds like Clinton and her deplorables. You know what that line of reasoning wrought last time? Trump’s first term. You are repeating the Dems’ mistakes and expecting different results.
This kind of thinking sounds like The West Wing, which I maintain has been the most corrosive media in a generation. It simultaneously made people very dumb and very smugly sure that they’re smart and right and morally correct. A deprogramming podcast: The West Wing Thing
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Yeah… I don’t think you understand how politics works or how power works or who is really in power[1][2] or how the media & propaganda work. Your arguments are in the world of pure idealism. Real politics scarcely happens in the marketplace of ideas.
But like, keep thinking that you can use nerd shit to convince a bunch of bros to not vote for the exciting one.
I don’t know why you think I’m suggesting anything of the sort.
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It really sucks that you’re right but this is a big part of the reality of modern elections. What people don’t seem to get about what you’re saying is that this strategy is not intended to make Republicans vote for Democrats, it’s intended to make them stay home. Their perception of Trump is that he’s a strongman. It doesn’t matter that such a description is hilariously off base. It matters that they believe it. Stand up there and call him a pussy with small hands who can’t swing a golf club to save his life and watch him throw a toddler fit while the country looks on. This has the added benefit of giving idiotic “undecideds” the soundbites they clearly want which just might convince some of them to vote for you.
Is it stupid? Absolutely. Would it work? I honestly think it would.
get up there and have more charisma than him and make him the butt of so many jokes that everyone is straight up laughing at him.
That and be more of an outright Nazi than him. You forget that it’s not just about charisma, it’s about creating a white christian ethnostate. If you can out-Trump Trump, which inherently means amplifying Fascist rhetoric in a folksy charm, but also providing an entertainingly scathing critique of everything not white and rich, then yeah, you’ll win. But otherwise the right will always vote for the biggest Nazi in the room.
Failure to recognize this is a failure to recognize how the right thinks. Fascism isn’t the outlier in the American right, it is the norm. They just don’t like calling it Fascism, they prefer traditional christian values.
Obama would win against Trump so drop the ‘outnazi the nazi’ shit right now.
Dude you can’t just appeal to trump voters and hope to win. It hasn’t worked, it can’t work, it won’t work. You have to appeal to progressives and people who do not want money in politics. And I don’t believe the democrats will ever be willing to do that.
Democrats would rather lose than move one Planck length to the left.
Yes. And I will never forgive them for that.
Is it even satire?
That’s the best kind, when you get uncomfortable and say 'uhhhh… nevermind."
Harrison has reportedly chosen not to seek to stay on as DNC chair but his dismissal of Sanders’s statement provoked anger of its own, including from the reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald. “You and the corporatist and militarist party you lead just got your ass kicked all up and down the US, because Americans see that you only care about enriching yourselves at the corporate lobbying trough,” Greenwald wrote. “If the humiliation you just suffered doesn’t usher in some humility and self-reflection, nothing will.”
-rarely do I read an article and genuinely think “man, that guy got slammed.” as the rhetoric typically suggests, but wholly hell did Harrison get slammed.
You absolutely do not have to hand it to Greenwald, but he really did rise to the stopped-clock moment here…
You chose Glenn Greenwald as the avatar of this message?
If you had read the comment I was replying to, you wouldn’t be confused.
I didn’t see that the quote was from Greenwald.
That’s some broken clock shit.
Greenwald has always been a civil liberties-focused investigative journalist. He never “changed.” What changed was who was occupying the White House. To the surprise of Democratic party partisan hacks, Greenwald is deferential to neither party.
While Greenwald may not be a partisan hack, he’s still an opportunistic grifter.
Fucking piece of shit.
He later served as a lobbyist for the Podesta Group.[4][11] His clients at the Podesta Group included banks, such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, Berkshire Hathaway,[12] pharmaceutical companies,[13] casinos, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, and Walmart,[14] among others.[15] In addition to lobbying work at Podesta Group, he has also lobbied on behalf of United Way Worldwide and the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities.[6]
the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity
I bet they’re allied with the American Association of Promoting Women’s Rights and Rape.
There is no home for progressives in the Democratic Party. At this point the only hope is to go independent like Sanders or join one of the third parties and abandon Democrats entirely. Democrats will never learn.
Part of the problem is Sanders is one of the rare ones and he is just too damn old.
That’s why I favor building a labor party and splintering the Democrats away from their shitty party. Their party is full of people who do not belong and would be more at home in a different party, if we had a system that wasn’t so unfavorable to third parties.
The only choice is to replace the Democrats as the only other party. Let all the right-wing Democrats join the Republicans and we build a new party with everyone who is left.
Seems… Impossibly hard to do though.
there are already sizable third parties in the US, such as PSL, DSA and the Green Party. PSL in particular is always active in unions, protests and community programs, and lately they’ve shown they trust younger members to be out there and adjusting to the demands of the members.
Even if you added them all together they’d struggle to pull more than a couple percent.
It’s an uphill struggle.
Ok, then stay home or keep voting democrat, but stop pretending you want change without doing anything to bring it about. Individualism and conformism is exactly what got the US here and both parties would be very happy if y’all stayed that way.
Politics is what happens before and after you cast the ballot. The vote itself might as well be a formality.
Get off my nuts, I want to build a labor party. I just think it’s going to be extremely fucking hard and we should recognize it. We still have to do it.
I heard an interesting idea on the Red Menace pod that tenant organizing might be the key to building a labor movement. Unlike AFL-CIA affiliates which are poisoned with labor aristocracy, almost all tenants are universally poor workers. That’s a potentially huge source of power.
I misread you, then, my sincere apologies. Seeing a lot of defeatism and it frustrates me because that didn’t help a single bit in 2016 and only made 2020 worse. I agree on your point about the AFL CIO, which is why I’m fond of PSL, they’re very principled domestically, regarding trans rights and on firmly anti-imperialist foreign policy and they’re not part of the Washington aligned labor unions. The comrades I look up to the most are engaged in unions and organizing there.
Which speaks to a much greater problem regarding Sanders: he dropped the chance to build a movement and parallel platform and instead just became a sheepdog for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. He was a useful lightning rod for the popularity of social spending policies and getting debt off the backs of the vast majority of people, but only served as a lightning rod, not turning it into organizing or strength. Just like Obama disassembled his electoral team to use party insiders and lose the 2010 midterms, Sanders gave away his donor list for a song and left his ground game operation hanging until they fucked off and did their own things.
This is why any turn to the Democratic party is a death knell and why we need the exact opposite approach to building the left. The heart of left strength is organizations, of people workinh to educate one another, recruit, and engage in action according to an independent political program that does not wane or falter just because one old guy capitulates to Democrats. There needs to be hundreds of people ready to replace any “important” figurehead or candidate or politician, they must be jettisonable as needed and beholden to members’ will, not donors’.
I wonder how many good people are out there that just won’t get into politics because they’re “children of the Internet.”
I’m not saying I’m worth a shit, but my Internet footprint over my life would have me destroyed if I got into politics. I try to leave as little as I can truly public of myself, but back in the Myspace days and early Facebook I was very very ignorant.
