The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.
I don’t agree that Trump’s policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.
Drag thinks that not having a fascist dictator who wants to holocaust all the trans people is a strong solution to a very real problem. Drag got excited about the idea of the USA continuing to be a somewhat-democracy where drag’s trans friends are allowed to live. Drag was excited about driving Putin out of Ukraine, and drag was very happy to vote for the West Bank not to blow up. Drag thinks all those “desperate people” seem not to care very much about queer people, ukrainians, or palestinians. And if they were only in it for themselves, maybe they could have gotten excited about Harris’ plan to help first home buyers. Drag has been seeing memes for a decade about how Millenials will never buy houses, and drag feels that pain. Harris had a plan. It wasn’t a great plan, but it was a plan. It seems the voters didn’t just lack empathy, but also lacked self-interest.
It wasn’t a great plan
You’re entitled to be mad at the voters for forsaking their fellow citizens as well as the citizens of Ukraine and Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that, “not a great plan” wasn’t good enough for voters to turn out for the Democrats. Voters are inevitably going to vote for whatever they perceive as being in their own self interests. It’s up to the political parties to align with what the voters want and the Democrats have continuously failed to do that.
The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.
2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn’t vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.
They took the threat seriously and we really didn’t take it seriously again.
I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.
Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.
Trump lost votes from last election. Kamela lost a fuck ton more. No one became a trump voter, kamela offered nothing to the left and expected support. Do I wish my fellow leftists would of voted for self preservation? Fuck yeah I do. But at the end of the day it’s the candidate at fault. And Kamala did everything in her fucking power to lose the left vote. It’s the same every god damn time with the Democrats. You want something to focus your anger at? Focus it at the party fighting trump 2024 with Trump’s 2020 border wall, military, immigration ass policies.
Other then not Trump (a fair offer to be honest) what did she offer voters? She seemed to run on a status quo platform.
Half the population can’t accept basic reality anymore.
Blocked the user.
We gotta look Canadian when we go out of the country now.
It’s not their platform was weak. It’s that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child’s head somewhere in America. They govern “responsibly” while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.
It’s easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to “keep fighting” but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?
Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they’ll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of “we want to win, but only as long as it doesn’t adversely affect our donor daddies”
No, they need to be replaced. They’re complicit.
They don’t give a damn shit. It’s all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.
I think mama Kamala would’ve had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.
I might go one further and say “Look, you need to take my platform seriously!” isn’t a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.
How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You’ll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.
The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?
Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.
People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn’t high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn’t see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they’ve repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They’re leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there’s nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her
Nobody voted for Trump because he was “more left than Hillary”. That’s not why anyone voted for him.
I personally know many who wanted the US out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and trusted Trump over Hillary to do it. I know no-one who openly wanted the same and voted for her. I myself voted third-party the last two elections before this year, and Biden has only escalated our entanglements in middle-eastern conflics.
Jesus, just look at Biden’s rhetoric on Israel and Iran. Its downright bizarely pro-war, pro-genocide(in its failure to remotely acknowlege such is happening), and absolutely tone-deaf to what voters want.
The fact that you yourself have now said what you’ve said on the topic proves the opposite of your claims. You know no conservatives today, and you mock the notion that anyone is against the war more than you point out any reason anyone should have voted for Harris over Trump.
Muslims were a DNC lock-in vote till now, and absolutely no-one failed to warn them that was changing.
They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton’s legacy as SoS.
i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.
Your opinion is valid but, with no offense intended, i wasn’t talking to you
Democrats are now hallucinating Harris supporting a ceasefire in Gaza
Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says
At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.
Harris actively banished Gaza from her campaign. She did not allow Palestine at the DNC. She promised to keep sending weapons to Israel. Her position was extremely clear.
Vague lip service two days before the election means nothing.
The writing really was on the wall, unfortunately
Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?
The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.
It’s not a war, it’s a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.
“vote for a ceasefire” is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I’m not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.
Do you think Kamala Harris was the president, or do you think people are upset that voters didn’t vote for Joe Biden?
I’m pretty sure she vowed to not be silent on Gaza, and then didn’t really bring it up until 2? days before the election? Even if she said somewhere about ceasefire she clearly didn’t mean it.
The president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done
- Kamala Harris
now is the time to get a ceasefire deal and get the hostage deal done.
- Kamala Harris
We’re not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel and in the region including Arab leaders
- Kamala Harris
it is time for this war to end and end in a way where Israel is secure, all the hostages are released, the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity and self-determination.
- Kamala Harris
This is why abandoning the “grocery store” strategy for “trump said naughty words” was a huge mistake.
I find all of this Monday morning quarterbacking pretty silly. Trump was literally fellating the mic and rambling incoherently a few days before the vote. “Strategy,” hahah. Nothing Kamala’s campaign coulda done was gonna get those 15 million people that chose not to vote, if simply listening to Trump didn’t.
The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.
This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.
Accelerationism is a helluva drug. Hey, at least we’ll get unfettered corpo AI, haha.
That or a locked down internet in the US. Was it not from that document that this came from?
“Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned,” the document says. “Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.”
Drag hopes they do that one first. Number one strategy to start a revolution.
P0o agrees it would be fun to see them try it.
I do think that when harris said stuff like “stop price gouging” fascist media made the mistake of airing her and combatting the point - which is weak sauce on their part. More of that would probably have worked. Less ads about trump unfitness more about reducing grocery costs.
Grocery costs will continue to go up, because climate change has disrupted food production and distribution (among other things.) We could make prices fall artificially, but the actual cost is higher. And anything we do to change that must be paid in more externalities. Americans don’t want to have the hard conversations. We want pleasant half- truths and lies. That’s what we elected.
Nah. The comparative price of food will go down if wages rise. And wages are artificially low. Food scarcity is not yet a serious issue in the USA. It’s a purely political issue.
Harris should have lied, then. There’s no punishment for promising the world and failing to deliver.
Or maybe voting against something that you don’t personally like is not a strong strategy for a nationwide election?
Suggesting that there was “nothing” at all she could have done to inspire voters is a cope. And refusal to listen to the reasons people vote the way they do.
No. Y’all did this exact same mental gymnastics routine in '16. We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem. That’s all. Well, that and because pressures from climate change have made people afraid and easier to con.
We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman [In 2016] because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem.
I mean she also had a 20+ year smear campaign against her, that probably shaved a few votes I gotta imagine.
Right… It’s everyone else that’s the problem that the same tired tactics aren’t working over and over again.
It’s just those darn voters who need to be taught a lesson on how to vote properly. Those people that are hungry and poor just need to listen to what’s good for them and their disagreement is obviously because they are shitty people who hate women.
Great talk. Can’t wait to see all the outpour of support for that now and the 3rd victory in a row for Democrats. Because nothing need change and it’s everyone else that’s doing mental gymnastics.
If someone requires dispropprtionate convincing to do the obviously right thing, I do hold them responsible for being wilfully ignorant, yes.
Then you are a narcissist who thinks you can ignore others and bully them into agreeing with you cause you think of yourself as the only truth.
Your idea of right is your own. Blame everyone else then, but don’t pretend it’s productive or that you will get what you want from it just because.
Suggesting that there is no strategy change needed after proof it doesn’t work over and over again makes you willingly ignorant as well. And extremely unlikely to ever get a goal you want.It lets you have a scapegoat to not introspect or change. And yours is just as imaginary as the right and you blame millions of people for not being you.
Yup, you’ve got me all figured out after this one exchange. Now that I’m nicely in this box, feel free to store it wherever makes you comfy.
Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don’t turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.
Drag agrees that Harris’s campaign sucked, and Harris is to blame. Drag also thinks America voted for a fascist, and America is to blame. The great thing about blame is that two people can both be 100% at fault.
Found Bob Dole’s Lemmy account!
A pimp named Slickback
A Pimp Named Slickback is more progressive than too many people on both sides, and basically all of the DNC itself. Fuck all that “homies before hoes” non-sense. The corpos and military-industrial complex are homies, btw.
Harris is a fascist, you lib
Harris wasn’t pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.
Biden was pro two state solution and ceasefire… So is Kamala lmfao.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/1208694837/two-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict
Cool, I can say I have billions of dollars, and that makes it true then. Look at the actions, not what they say.
Their platform was weak.
They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.
His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn’t even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.
The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn’t already objectively know the voters don’t care about that.
They didn’t run a good campaign.
2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.
Her “first time homebuyers” aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.
Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for “black men and others” to get loans. emphasis on “others” being her’s not mine.
It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn’t realize how good they had it.
Weak is an understatement.
Well I’m glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House… ooh wait.
Fair point.
No matter who we elected we were getting a useful idiot for the rich, but that’s partisanship for you.
Goalposts
I don’t think old man with brain damage is much of a counter. That is what got elected.
You’re not wrong.
The difference is their brain-damaged guy behaved as he always does, where Biden clearly did not.
I won’t vote for who supports genocide. Trump may not be better in this regard but at least I won’t reward to those who already aided in it. Next time they should learn to do better.
You are complicit. You’re not above this.
Cool and we get genocide 2.0 instead
In what way? Israel already has a free check and a shield to do whatever they want.
There won’t be a next time. Congratulations, shit stain. You get to pay yourself on the back for your “morals” while the country burns to the ground.
I say “morals” because fucking obviously the moral thing to do is prevent Nazi Germany 2.0 from happening. But no. You get to pretend like you’re a good person. But you’re not. You let fascists take control and countless people will die at the hand of non-voters like you. You and everyone like you are deplorable in every sense of the word and you have no right to claim moral superiority.
Nazi Germany 2.0 is already happening. Palestinians are being genocided as we speak. But it seems their blood is too cheap for you to care.
You’re so delusional anyways about your 2.0 world. Don’t blame me, blame the democrats for supporting and committing genocide. Maybe do something about that first?
I voted, so keep assuming.
Sure, blame the voters for the lack of choice they were given. That seems very productive and totally not just an excuse so you don’t have to admit that the Democrats are responsible for enabling genocide.
Two people can both be 100% to blame for something.
This is how I feel, thank you for putting it eloquently. These “moral high ground” people are no better than the MAGA they enabled. It’s sickening.
Well, the really morally superior thing would be to vote for Jill Stein (or another anti-genocide candidate). Sitting out the election is abdicating responsibility.
Jill Stein is pro-genocide. She’s a liar who supports the opposite of all of her proposed policies. She was only in the election to hurt Harris and help Trump. Now that Trump’s won, she’s going to disappear for the next 4 years and do nothing to accomplish her supposed goals.
