What kind of fucked up country is this were the police didn’t immediatly came to this altercation and detained the guy.
I mean, he’s not only being violent, he’s even making death threats.
We saw 37 seconds, I don’t believe any country has teleporting police; yet.
You haven’t been to Night City yet, eh?
This is a quality joke. Thank you.
I understood that reference.
America: think of how much more efficiently we could kill black people over bullshit
Well, the video starts already well into the altercation and that’s a high-end main shopping street with all the most expensive shops and the kind of place where there is usually police around, but yeah it’s a a bit of of 50\50 thing whether even in a place like London or Paris a copper would pop-up in time for the video.
Also it depends on how likely people are to call the police in such a situation (if the guy did this in, for example Scandinavia, the police would likey end up involved).
So we agree that calling whatever country this is “fucked up” is a little premature given we don’t have all the information as to what transpired.
It’s not just based on the police response but how other people around him are behaving, for example on their phones and calling the police.
You can see people passing by and ignoring that shit as if it was normal.
A guy shouting “I’ll kill you” whilst pursuing somebody into a store would trigger the people at the store calling the police in most of Europe.
I forget the term but there is something that happens in a society given a large enough number of people.
People will walk on by as they assume with that many people about someone else will call the police or intervene.
Then there is the I don’t want to be murdered by this guy too so I’m not getting involved in that.
I live in Manchester and I see it all the time. There could be 5000 milling about through the city centre and some nutcase screaming at people and nobody cares. They’re too busy, too desensitised, or just terrible people.
Paris is very similar too.
Bystander effect
That’s it. Thanks.
That doesn’t apply to the people at the shop.
It’s in the best interest of the shop to stop this kind of thing ASAP so they’re far more likely to call the cops if there’s an altercation at their door that’s even going into the shop.
Further, it also depends on the kind of country.
I lived in the UK: it’s far more violent as societies go and far more prone to “I don’t want to get involved” behaviours than other countries in Europe. I’ve seen the way people respond to the same situation in for example England and The Netherlands and it’s very different.
Don’t assume that what you see in Manchester is representative of what you would see in Paris, and definitelly not of what you would seen in Northern Europe.
I didn’t assume anything I’ve witnessed it in Paris too.
Anyway, I’ve had enough of debating without all the information so let’s leave it here and both have excellent days.
Perhaps a place where the people are as dangerous as the cops?
Perfect example of the irrational hatred people have had instilled in them by their governments/parents/education. To be clear, this guy saw a group of UNICEF workers on the street trying to help people, and thought “no, they’re helping the people I’ve been taught to hate, so I will attack and threaten them with violence/death for doing so.”
Absolute muppet. Should be rounded up and sent back to his shithole country.
People like this should be banned from international travel. They’re not garnering any sympathy for Israel acting like this.
It’s not like Israel deserves sympathy.
Fair.
This guy knows how to rally!
“say Pastine one more time”
Palestine!
“say Palestine one more time!”
PALESTINE!
But in all seriousness, this nazi needs to go to jail.
Brainwashing works huh?
You are not giving that monster enough credit. The psychotic hatred is all him. No brainwashing required.
Yeah im sure his hatred is his own, but the specific targeting of UN staff is not his own idea. Its an implanted idea that utilizes his existing hatred and gives it a target in order to quell potential internal resistance in the Israeli population.
Yeah you’re right, these people are just born monsters, as a baby he was probably already biting the other babies when he got the chance. In fact, shouldn’t even consider these people human right?
Such a dumb take.
In fact, shouldn’t even consider these people human right?
Like the guy in the video considers all Palestinians less than human, hence his confidence in threatening and screaming at checks notes UNICEF workers? 🤔
Dudes got some serious nazi vibes. I think he needs to look in the mirror
So a baby killer loses his head on seeing people who save babies.
I am not tough and I am not a fighter but I would have rocked that guys shit if he came at me like that.
You can usually tell people are not really trying to escalate otherwise he wouldn’t have feigned the head butts and would have just nutted the people.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 from unstable soldiers like this.
As far as I understand, a successful fight is mainly being to the first one to commit to it. I might stand up to this guy but in a fight lose miserably because I’m unlikely to hit first nor to follow up sufficiently nor would I even have a plan for inflicting enough violence. As a soldier I’m sure he has all of the above
I was a bouncer for 10 years. This is pretty much correct but its also about intensity, if someone starts off with anything lower than 11 out off 10 thats the opening.
Street fights arent boxing matches, theres no rules. You swing at me in public I assume you are intending to kill me and act accordingly until you back off or cant hurt me anymore.
Dont mess with Zohan
You know the nice part of being a very traditionally masculine person is being able to promote basic human rights without these people scaring me. Try me bro, weight classes exist for a reason.
You don’t need to be the winner of violent conflict to be valid.
Yeah but it is nice to be able to defend yourself against violent people. Also as the other reply said i do appeal to certain kinds of people and maybe they wouldnt listen to a trans person about trans rights but will listen to me.
Yes, but I think the point is that strong man types do appeal to a certain demographic that they are trying to influence, not that it appeals or should appeal to themselves or the general population
No, but it certainly helps (and has helped me) in some situations if you are big guy that looks like being a coal miner (while actually being a keyboard jockey)…
I’m reminded of a clip that I’ve seen that originates on Tik Tok about a guy who says something similar to what you’re saying here, including a clip where the guy went and shouted at a neo-nazi to basically say “you’re not welcome here, fuck off”.
I found it interesting because he explained that this isn’t usually something he would do because he’s very much a voice against toxic masculinity and this means that generally he doesn’t want or need to take the role of the angry, scary man. In this instance though, of the many members of his community who were uncomfortable with a neo-Nazi spewing hate, this guy was best situated to challenge this. I found it especially interesting because there’s a particular kind of aggressiveness to it — like, obviously going up to someone and shouting at them is aggressive, but it was clear that this guy wasn’t going for a fight
You’d think he’d be too busy to complain what with all the children he hasn’t murdered yet.
He looks so tough in his skinny jeans, his florescent orange sneakers, and his dainty little shopping bag. Truly a terror amongst men.
The title refers to him as a soldier, but all I see is a bitch carrying a polka-dot bag being angry that people make their own decisions.
He’s certainly not built like a soldier. Soldiers have legs like baseball players, because they’re carrying heavy shit over long distances all the time.
Headbutt? I’d press charges.
David Attenborough voice:
here we se the good guy, simply defending his homeland
Sure is leaving his back exposed to a lot of people…
WE DONT KNOW 100% FOR SURE WHAT HAPPENED HERE. Any video like this lacks context.
DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE. This is how distrust for serious, real journalism is formed! It’s why there are juries, it’s why evidence is questioned.
I am zero fan of IDF, war, or killing children. But we do NOT 100% know that that is related to this.
This is a video… Unless you’re suggesting that it’s a deep fake, we absolutely know what happened here… What we don’t know is what led up to this guy hulking out about Palestine… But it really doesn’t matter. There is no justification for it. This is not normal or okay behavior under any circumstances. This guy is mentally ill and needs serious psychiatric help.
Well as the downvotes you just got show, Lemmy is just another Reddit clone. No place for rational thought. You either jump on the bandwagon or be railroaded out of town.
Rational thought
Do you assume that these UNICEF workers physically assaulted this guy?
If not then do you assume that even if they said the most vile words in existence that that warrants a physical attack like this?
Funny you should say rational thought but want us all to exercise a level of conjecture as to what happened before.
Rational thought is their code for, “agree with my irrational thought.”
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It’s not a question of “instigation”, it’s a question of transitioning from offensive words to violence, plus the actual issuing of death threats.
Unless you think the UNICEF people (all of whom are smaller in stature) started the violence, this guy is the one who started the violence which in a normal society is the kind of things that criminals do. Him chosing death threats (literally “I’ll kill you!”) rather than non-deadly threats is also highly abnormal (well, maybe not in his society) in that is far more extreme than even a common violent drunk would do (at least here in Europe).
In your group effort to excuse the actions of this guys, you just come out as desperatelly trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
Like I said, not excusing that and he should be arrested.
However before you go farther than what is justified by the context given, ask yourself what you’re assuming about that’s context and how it could change
Context in this situation would only matter in the size of the sentence in a Court of Law.
His action were straighforward Assault, a Crime.
As I said, it’s the transition from words to violence that make it Assault.
Further, you can see him using violence against a guy who is just standing there and not using violence against him (the head butt) as well as against a guy who is actually trying to escape him who he tries to trip and pursues into the store, all of which are most definitelly Attack not Defense.
And all this is assuming you can’t just read the body language of the guy and the other people around him - you can easilly see the others are cowering and he’s attacking not defending himself.
Last but not least the thing that triggered him was clearly the word “Palestine” as shown by him threathening other people with death if they say that word.
You’re doing Narnia-levels of fantasising to excuse a guy who is acting in a pretty straightforward violent bully style and who is triggered into violence by the word “Palestine”, which is not normal unless that person’s a Neue-Nazi.
No. I’m entirely agreeing that there is one person threatening violence here and he deserves to be arrested.
However I’m disagreeing with people here jumping to all sorts of craziness calling him a nazi and child murderer. I suppose he could be and hope that’s investigated by the officers that should arrest him, but it’s not supported by anything we see
That’s the point, WE DON’T KNOW.
What is more likely though, that several UNICEF workers decided to just pick on a random shopper.
Or the random shopper was triggered by UNICEF being there and possibly raising money or awareness about a genocide being committed.
If I had to speculate on what likely happened, it’s quite possible the unicef guys were shooting the shit, commenting on the situation, and triggered a passerby already on edge.
Maybe he just saw it and was triggered, the point is we don’t know.
watch the video with sound. The most likely explanation is they said “we’re raising money to support child welfare in Palestine” or something similar containing the word “Palestine” and this brainwashed troll got triggered by their recognition of Palestinian children as human.
I see one dude going ballistic and a bunch of anxious onlookers.
Come enjoy reality with us!
Not at all, I entirely agree there is one person threatening violence and he should be arrested.
I’m trying to say the lemmings calling him a nazi and him murdering children are out of line. I mean, it could be true but we see nothing here to support that
Uhm, idk what the context of “don’t say Palestine again or I will fuck you up the ass” (his words) could possibly mean.
I’ve never seen a UNICEF worker (dressed for work with clipboards in hand) act anyway other than professional.
We ALL know exactly what is happening here.
He’s acting exactly like a brownshirt/Sturmabteilung during the Nazi rise in Germany.
Netenyahu’s razor: when confronted with multiple explanations choose the one that supports the Israeli position
Or maybe all we actually see is the threat of violence. That guy should be arrested. Anything else is speculation but hopefully the police investigate after arresting him
You don’t have to prove anything to me but I hope you reflect on whether you’d be playing such Devil’s advocate for another person on another topic. A Russian being aggressive to people collecting aid for Ukraine maybe?
You can say what you want to me, but really ask yourself.
I do know many fine Russians, including plenty who are horrified by their country’s imperial ambitions.
Same thing. He should be arrested and served justice for his actions, and Lemmy has no call to lay the atrocities of his country’s leadership on him, without at least finding out more
Yes, I’m sure there’s a reasonable explanation for assaulting United Nations Children’s Fund workers in the streets. I’m sure despite not having any visible injuries, not being restrained, and seemingly being well enough coordinated to rule out a seizure, that he was well within his right to not only be screaming, but to headbutt a non aggressive individual.
Do you think
“people being able to quantitatively disagree with you”
Is the equivalent of
“you’re getting excommunicated and exiled for your vile thoughts”?
You see, these type of false equivalencies are why people think you’re a fucking tool.
Enjoy your L.
Not really, it only shows that lemmy has idiots like you two just like reddit
Sometimes it just feels sooooo good to downvote someone, you know?
Also: comment all you want, I don’t have the source video or other corroborating videos or anything else at the time I write this comment. I have one video, I don’t see identification on anyone, and I have an internet stranger account claiming this is an IDF soldier and a Unicef worker. The burden of proof isn’t on me!
guy is literally shouting “say Palestine again!” the whole time.
you can turn your brain off if you want. Somehow I don’t think you’d do the same if this was a Muslim attacking an Israeli organization
Thank you for pointing this out!
Sure, crazy video, but you don’t know whether his girlfriend wasn’t raped and killed by Hamas on October 7th last year. Don’t just judge people from bad times they’re having, as hard as that may seem.
Wtf does an innocent unicef worker have to do with hamas you crackhead?
You don’t know the UNICEF worker and you don’t know the soldier. You just saw a few seconds of video and know NOTHING about any of those people.
Everybody here is just seeing what they want to see. What I’m saying is, stop the hatred and the shaming and the online rage.
You don’t know them either, so why pick any side?
That’s what I’m saying, don’t pick sides here!
your arguments can apply to any situation and mean that nobody should ever be criticized for their behaviour.
Is that a useful way to look at the world?
No, which is why you only apply this apology to people you want to defend as a result of your bias
So stop defending the person who was headbutting people and threatening to “fuck you in the ass” to people who mentioned a country lmao.
It isn’t a hard line to draw you dimwit.
Its ok to beat people. You don’t know who they are so it’s ok.
So head butting is ok??
No it’s not, but do you even know that is a soldier? This is just some online video, man. People just want to hate
People dont want to hate. But some want to walk about being violent. How can you excuse his behavior? Make up a better reason than «his gf might be raped by some other dudes». Why is he kicking, head butting and trying to punch people? Lets see a few and do an occam’s razor on them.
Maybe there was a conversation where the UNICEF worker said: “let’s do a skit where you act like an animal and we film it because my parents have been kidnapped and are being held ransom under these demands” and the guy was like “no way I’m a nice guy” and the UNICEF worker pulled out a gun and said “I’m not asking” and the guy said “whoa man be cool fine I’ll do it”
Then he started committing to the role so hard that he pulled the freudian slip and threatened to fuck the other UNICEF worker in the ass.
Soldier?
how do you know you’re on lemmy? Maybe this is a dream. Maybe you’re that soldier. Think before you speak
How do you even know you exist? How do I even know I exist?
What is existence?
I post, therefore I brb
Maybe this is a dream
Probably…
Everybody here sees a very dumb comment made by you. Seems to be the consensus.
The only hateful person here is you, assuming a connection between random people in a video and hamas.
What we can objectively see in the video is an assault taking place.
Yes, this guy should be arrested before he hurts someone.
However comments on the thread are jumping way beyond the context given. We don’t know who instigated and how. We don’t know who has been the victim of violence. We don’t know what the connection to unicef is or even whether that’s relevant. And that’s taking everything at face value
I don’t see hatred in the comments but plenty in the video
So hypothetical raped & killed girlfriend by Hamas = has a right to shout at a volunteers for a UN charity organisation stopping kids from dieing of starvation and disease?
Be careful you don’t break your spine bending over that far backwards to excuse his behaviour.
It’s not about excusing, but explaining. None of you know what any of those people did or who they are. This is just an online pillory.
Then unsubscribe and block this community. If you don’t like reading peoples commenting on a public freakout then… don’t read them?
Or is there something specific about this instance that’s triggering for you? Perhaps it’s just yet another comment you’re being instructed to leave by your boss or server.
Idk I’m just here for the freak-outs because people’s behaviour when irrational and angry is interesting to me.
Edit: also it’s not an explanation of the situation it’s your hypothesis you’re choosing to project onto this situation. Again who knows why you’re choosing to do that, only you I guess.
Judging by the guy screaming “Say Palestine one more time” for the entire video, I would assume they mentioned Palestine.
Hey you don’t know any of the commenters either, for all you know we all could have family killed by the IDF.
In these kinds of situations it’s important to remember Netenyahu’s razor. The most israeli-defending explanation is often the correct one
How can people judge you for your defense of him, let me explain it to you all, they might have deep seated fantasies of being trained by large groups of Israeli soldiers and for their fantasies to come true they need to go around justifying disgusting behavior. I’m not defending the guy explaining the disgusting actions just explaining how they could have a good reason to with a story I made up in my head.
You literally should judge people from their bad times. That’s how you get the measure of a person, in how they act in the worst of times.
Also, if Hamas raped his partner does that mean you can just go and attack people working for unicef? WTF!!
Nah, nothing justifies just freaking out on random volunteer workers in public and assaulting them.
When we talk about Palestinian violence we (rightly) put it in context of the oppression they suffered. You can’t expect an oppressed people to react kindly and patiently to their oppressors. But this guy apparently does not deserve this circumspect approach. We know nothing about him other than he is claimed to be an Israeli soldier but he might have any number of mental illnesses, PTSD, what have you. But we’re perfectly happy to label him a monster, no questions asked.
I’m not trying to justify any violent behavior obviously, but we sure do love putting the excesses of “our” side in broader context, and highlighting perceived injustices of “theirs” without context.
Israeli soldiers are an oppressed class
This feels like a very lazy emotional response.
You’re saying that under no conditions whatsoever you would start shouting at people in public? That you would get violent to defend something that was important to you? Please don’t be an idiot.
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The rape narrative has been massively overblown with little evidence backing it up besides racial bias against brown men. Did some women get sexualy assaulted, probably, was it widespread and systemic like the media is pushing, probably not. This isn’t to excuse the disgusting behavior of hamas on October 7th, just saying it’s more likely this guy sexualy assaulted Palestinians in an Israeli jail then his girlfriend being assaulted.
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Just cause a member of a group did something bad to you doesn’t give you the right to abuse that group back. If that guy’s girlfriend was sexualy assaulted by a black person that doesn’t give him the right to yell slurs and push around black people on the street. This guy wasn’t yelling about hamas he was yelling at the idea of Palestine, that’s just straight up racism.
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And you don’t know that she was, so don’t fabricate narratives to justify other people’s shitty behavior.
Yeah, but many were. Just like 60k Palestinians were killed. So many people are traumatized, what I am saying is exactly what you are: stop fabricating narratives from a few seconds of someone’s bad day. You know nothing.
You seem to know though. That there might be some excuse for head butting unicef people on the street. Must be a fine world you live in
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I have worked jobs like that, collecting donations in the street. And would you believe it, a lot of the people working those jobs are assholes.
Well with a sample size of “you” I think we can assume you’re correct here.
(You can’t just set me up like that and expect me not to hit the ball)
Right
So give me a few examples of what might warrant the head butting?
I’m gonna take a wild guess and say someone mentioned Palestine.
No you haven’t and no they aren’t.
Nah, Imma judge him. Zionist mind virus got him
I’m definitely judging a person that tries to trip and headbutt strangers on the street. That person is not okay to be in public.
Also, everyone let’s just ignore this genocide sympathizer. It’s probably a bot or a paid troll
sure you also dont know whether the girlfriends/wives/children of the Hamas members weren’t shredded to pieces by Israeli bombs before they joined Hamas
Your comment has 50% more downvotes than my post has upvotes. In some way that is impressive.
A crazy fucking comment, right? Eh. I tried to make a point about not judging people before you know their history, but did so very badly, I guess. Should I delete the comment? What do you think?
“don’t judge people just because they assault strangers in public” yeah okay
No, don’t dirty delete just because you got downvotes. Instead open your mind to the replies and try to understand why you got so many (hint: It’s because you were trying to excuse a violent assault, by an obviously hateful person, using lies promoted by an army that’s currently committing genocide).
Hahaha no, you should let your comment stand. I did not try to excuse his actions, that guy was acting like an asshole, but I did want people not to judge someone - which, in a court of law, only happens after consideration of someone’s circumstances.
Hamas’ horrible and violent acts, however, are not lies promoted by any army. Does the Israeli army promote lies? Probably. But not that terrorist organizations are despicable, that doesn’t need to be lied about.
Sure, crazy video, but you don’t know whether his girlfriend wasn’t raped and killed by Hamas on October 7th last year.
This is saying “hey don’t judge this guy attacking random unicef workers unconnected to the people he hates while spewing hate. He might be having a hard time”.
You display no empathy for the people experiencing this assault, only for its perpetrator. Your further opinions regarding genocide can be inferred from there.
Hamas is really forcing you to continue making an ass of yourself in the comments
Thing is, adults, like properly emotionally mature people, don’t attack random people on the street because they’re volunteering to raise funds for an absolutely gigantic organisation to help people. I used to work for a Croatian man and his brother in law. They fought in the Bosnian conflict, and both ended up working for a series of mercenary outfits after. The levels of PTSD in these guys was…honestly…kinda fucked. I worked with them for the better part of 10 years. Met as many of their families that survived. They were adult enough to hire a few Bosnian guys as subcontract, we’d go for drinks end of the week. And these Bosnian guys were in some of the same battles as my boss and his BiL, literally trying to kill each other. What the fuck did those UNICEF people do to fucknuts? Exist? Fuck him.
Look, I get it. I read through this thread, and I get the point you’re making, absolutely.
Always, always remember that we’re all human and prone to horrible errors of judgement. We don’t know the dude, we don’t know his story that led up to this.
What you seem to be missing is that a past trauma is no more or less likely than a neutral or positive past. None of those excuse assault and battery. You can absolutely judge a person based on their actions. We do it all the time in jury trials. Him having had some kind of suffering related to Palestine or Hamas wouldn’t mean he wasn’t guilty of assault and battery, though it might mitigate things for sentencing.
Would those UNICEF workers now be justified in going somewhere, screaming at some Israeli bank teller and head butting them? No. And I think you know that.
I applaud your compassion. We should always consider such things in forming opinions. We also do not have to forego judgement because of that compassion.
Is it really good hearted compassion or is it mental gymnastics trying to blame Hamas for this guy being a dickhead?
Using “maybe Hamas raped someone close to him” isn’t exactly “turn the other cheek” in the context of being kind to bullies
If that poster was being honest about it (a huge “if”) the most logical explanation for somebody empathising with the perpetrator of an assault but not with the victims is that they’re extremelly biased in a tribalist way and hence fully empathise with those of their tribe butnot at all with those a member of their tribe would be angry and violent against.
Or to put things in simpler terms: Nazis can really understand and share the anger that makes other Nazis be violent, never the point of view of the victims of the Nazis.
When seeing a situation like this a normal person tends to empathise with victims quite independently of who they are and not try and imagine reasons to excuse the violence of the bully.
It’s absolutely demonstrative of a bias and that’s confirmed by previous comments the poster has made. Throwaway references to how it’s bad that Palestinians are dying too don’t do a good enough job of masking it.
Here he is, guys. Lol. What the fuck does a UNICEF worker have to do with Hamas? How is this normal behavior anywhere? That dude should be arrested. I’m guessing he’s more of the type of guy that spends bad times around. It may be the I’ll fuck you in the ass or the headbutt. Idk.
Here he is, guys. Lol.
Not the first time he’s been a tad one-sided on the issue
Why can’t you say the same thing about Palestinians?
If my girlfriend was raped and killed by hamas I still don’t think I’d support a genocide against the people who didn’t do it.
Dude said he will fuck the UNICEF worker in the ass
