I, for one, definitely won’t be buying another Tesla as long as Naziboy Musk has anything to do with the company.
I’m still undecided on an electric car, mostly because modern cars are such privacy nightmares on wheel (not Tesla-specific).
But there’s one thing for sure: whatever car I get eventually won’t be a Tesla, and that’s 100% due to Musk’s misguided political gesticulations.
I’m one example of business lost forever to Tesla. One example doesn’t make a trend, but if there’s one, there are others.
The main reason I won’t buy tesla is Elon.
Secondly I want a “real” car with proper signalling leavers and tactile buttons for everything, in my opinion touch screens is a safety risk.
That’s the reason I settled for an EV with physical buttons and knobs, even if it’s an older model. No regrets.
Which model, out of curiosity? (Kona EV here, mostly physical controls)
2019 Hyundai Ioniq, fellow Hyundai owner.
On the safety issue, I have a personal pet theory that a lot of “sudden acceleration events” in Teslas come from the one pedal system they use for both gas and break.
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
We’re dealing with decades of ingrained muscle memory that says when you’re about to hit something/lose control/etc… you slam on the brakes. I know in some vehicles they say “in case of emergency, turn off one-pedal mode”. But seriously, in a split second emergency you’re going to remember to do that?
What are you talking about? The brake pedal is still there in EV’s and it still does the same job. I’ve driven an EV for 3 years using OPD and not once have I ever forgotten that the brake exists.
That’s all EVs nowadays.
They all have regen so you barely ever brake in any of them.
Many of them also come to a complete stop without touching the brake as well. That’s not a Tesla only thing.
Edit: Oh also on a Tesla you used to be able to enable “creep” mode so it behaved like an ICE and wouldn’t come to a complete stop. The EPA changed the rules though and made it so you have to advertise the combined or lowest mileage though (can’t recall) of all features, and creep lowers mileage by a few miles due to not 100% regen, so Tesla nix’d the feature to not reduce their EPA range. New cars no longer have the feature, old cars still have it.
I don’t think you understand what one pedal driving means. You absolutely need to use the brakes on a regular basis.
With true one pedal driving you really only need to use the brakes for sudden braking. The car can come to a complete stop on its own when you take your foot off the accelerator, so if you planned your stop well, you don’t need the brakes. If you didn’t plan it well, then you use the brakes.
You could do entire shorter trips without using the brake.
The longer the trip the more likely something happens where you need it.
Yeah! All these people here saying they won’t consider Tesla cars because of Elon; I won’t consider Tesla cars because they are shitty and dangerous cars.
My parents got an EV recently and whenever you start it up you have to hit OK to a data collection thing on the touch screen before it let’s you drive off 🥴
Sadly, most new cars are Internet connected nowadays, not just EV.
In fact, GM got caught selling customers data from their ICE cars (OnStar connected).
Not only did I opt out, verbally by calling OnStar from the car, I then removed the cell antenna (SparkEV), which works well in the rural areas where I live, not sure about a cellular-dense location, they can probably track pings now and then. So, if I get around to it I will look into disconnecting the cell module under the passenger seat.
Laughs in warming the carbs on my pre-2000s motorcycle while holding out the choke.
I’ve heard so much shit about Teslas now that even if they sold the company to Bernie Sanders I wouldn’t get one
Most of it is bollocks. The cars are actually fine. Only the moron-in-chief makes me want to sell mine.
Being trapped in a fire? Self igniting batteries? Stuck due to software updates? Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery? Body pieces not secure? Self driving is a lie? Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
Another Tesla owner here (2020 Model 3) who thinks Musk is an absolute tool bag, but the misinformation out there about the cars is just plain silly.
Being trapped in a fire?
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
Self igniting batteries?
There are far, far fewer EV battery fires per year than there are ICE fires, even adjusting per capita. Furthermore, Teslas have historically had the lowest rate of battery fires of any EV.
Stuck due to software updates?
Software updates never install automatically and you literally never have to sit and wait in the car for them. When a software update is available, you get a notification to schedule it both on the car’s screen itself and on your phone via the Tesla app. You don’t even have to touch the car to schedule or install the update from your phone. Additionally, if the concern is regarding getting in/out while an update is installing, the standard door handles work just fine throughout 95% of the update process, and the manual releases always work.
Doorhandles don’t work when out of battery?
What, to get in the car? That’s a valid criticism I suppose, but not at all unique to Teslas, and getting in won’t do you a lot of good with an “empty tank” anyway, especially if it’s dead to the point that even the 12V battery (which is responsible for the doors and most of the electronics other than the motors and HVAC) is fully drained. Either your 12V battery has to straight-up fail entirely or you have to leave the car sitting on 0% for weeks to months for this to happen. There are terminals to “jump” the car and access the frunk (and thus the 12V battery) without access to the inside of the car.
Body pieces not secure?
Build quality issues are not at all unique to Tesla, and occur with every manufacturer all the time. Except for the Cybertruck, nearly all of Tesla’s build quality issues were largely worked out years ago and are on the same level as other manufacturers.
Self driving is a lie?
My car literally drives me to and from work every day (40min one way) with very infrequent interventions or disengagements from me. Pretty convincing lie, if you ask me. While we’re not at level 3 autonomy yet, and Elon has hugely over promised and under delivered over the years, the tech is extremely impressive (especially given it’s 100% camera-based) and already pretty damn good (not always perfect) in most scenarios. It’s constantly being improved, too. I’ve gotten to personally experience the progress over the past 5ish years, and it feels like we’re getting pretty close. Whether it’s actually level 3+ soon, who knows. The future is hard to predict, especially with very new, experimental tech like this.
Anti safety, anti union practices in assembly? The social cost of everyone thinking you’re a Musk fanboy?
100% valid, no argument from me.
Every Tesla has always had prominent manual door release mechanisms on the front doors. So prominent, in fact, that most people who try to get out of the car for the first time instinctually go for it (on the Model 3 and Y, at least). The rear doors depend on model/year, but are mostly much less prominent/accessible since it would defeat the purpose of the child lock.
I just want a car with actual door handles. That it has weird electric ones just shows that Tesla over-engineers for cool factor.
The Model 3 and Model Y have regular door handles.
The are definitely not “regular”
All fair points, and the bad press might be one offs. No one ever wants to be the edge case though.
getting in won’t do you a lot of good with an “empty tank” anyway,
Don’t tell me how I want to use my car. If I want to sit inside a dead car, that’s my decision.
But more seriously, there are valid reasons for wanting to get inside a dead car, including safety related ones.
Their main issues are build quality and FSD that is marketed as way more capable than it is, which is a deadly combination.
Tesla has always “tested in public”, been willing to go live with something not fully baked. But they also continuously increment. I have no issue with the build quality of mine but that adage about never buying a car from the first model year is doubly true for Tesla
I’m desperately hoping that conversations or conversion kits become more of a thing so I can keep my dumb car, but electrify it.
Cuz it’s either that or maybe wait till cars start getting jailbroken and open source operating systems (ugh) like phones and computers… Which absolutely shouldn’t have to be a thing. But here we are.
This is why I really want Aptera to succeed, but they aren’t getting enough funding.
I swore off Tesla years ago when I realized Musk was such a piece of shit.
The guy has simply lost it.
Complete idiot. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.
True. Jeff Bezos probably the most evil man on earth, but he knows to keep his mouth shut. So his business just getting bigger and no one really care about him and most importantly the media mostly just leave him alone.
I wouldn’t say no one.
Imagine getting so mad online that you had a $44 billion dollar, years long meltdown about it. You wouldn’t have to pay me 1% of that to never post online again.
I know the exact number someone would have to pay me to never post online again. That number is 3 orders of magnitude smaller than 44 billion. I could take less than that but I want to be compensated for giving up a fun little hobby.
I’d do 4 orders of magnitude less and take $4.4 million. That’s immediate FatFIRE, never need to work again kind of money.
I want triple that because I want to fund a free music school for kids that provides a good free instrument for any kid who completes the program. If I’m not posting on the Internet and I’m not forced to work I’m going to have a whole bunch of free time once I get my health in order and I’m going to need something to hit me with happy chemicals and fill my time.
It’s the usual narcissist trait of earnestly believing all your thoughts are important.
He totally has a framed photo of just himself in his office, just like his new buddy boy Donald. And I bet they don’t even like each other. They both want something and as soon as one of them get it the bromance will be over instantly.
I own 2 Model 3’s. I waited in line the day before the reveal to plunk down $1000 to reserve it sight-unseen.
I will never buy a Tesla again, and want to unload my 2 as soon as a comparable replacement is available. I’m embarrassed to drive mine around.
I’m really hoping Rivian can pull off mass production of the R2 and R3.
Me too.
Is it because of Elon at the helm of the company or moreso because the car itself is poorly made, unreliable, etc? I have a few friends who own Tesla’s, and I get mixed answers. Some say the quality is good others say it’s a POS.
It almost varies from car to car in my very limited experience. Just from outside one, the build quality varies wildly. I worked for a surgery center for a few years and didn’t notice until I saw 2 Drs parked side by side and one of them had massive body panels gaps that even I noticed. Having seen the difference, I can see it when I pass by parked ones as I go around town.
The lack of consistency is a deal breaker for me, even if the company wasn’t run by a south African Nazi
Did you look at the relative age of the vehicles? Consistency of finish was a widely publicized issue while they were struggling with quality trying to ramp up, but you rarely to never read about that anymore. I believe quality has consistently improved and one from the last couple model years will be significantly better than the first couple years of mass production.
However my direct experience is with a model y
- 2023, so more modern, quality issues have been largely worked out
- more gigacast pieces. T least at the time, the claim was that having both front and back chassis gigacast means they’re starting with perfect alignment - fewer places for misaligned body panels to happen.
As a South African liberal: hey bru chillax.
If you take offense at Elon being called a Nazi, but think of yourself as a “liberal,” you might want to take a moment to reflect on why.
It felt like he was taking offense to throwing in the South African thing. But I could be wrong.
…again, if your attention is focused on the South African part, and avoiding the Nazi part, you might want to think about that.
They’ve been great cars. The fit and finish is kind of lackluster, but the cars run great, are fun to drive, and have been extremely reliable.
I’m in the same boat. On the one hand, it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. On the other hand, Elon Musk.
Really? The one person that’s taken over 1 mill miles had to replace batteries and motors like it was their job. The vast majority are unwilling to do that. To call them reliable is a half-truth at best. Sure the EV1 was reliable, but it was much more basic. It was a true electric car, not a smart phone on wheels.
Are you seriously complaining about a car crapping out at one million miles?!?
Are you seriously not reading the post? 1 million miles cost them more than double the cost of the car to fix shit. A 1 million mile Tesla with batteries and motors replaced can’t be compared to a 50 year old Volvo still running the same engine it was paired with. If you replace everything on the car other than the vin, is it even the same car? That Volvo is worth more than it ever was new. That will never be true of a Tesla. #s matching. If you have an infinite amount of money, you could get a yugo to do over 1 million miles.
Buddy, no engine goes for one million miles. Cylinders fail and engines get replaced. You seem to have some idealistic example in your head that every gas car can go for a million miles with “proper maintenance”. Not everybody has some old Volvo which has bucked the trend and lasted forever. Please, be honest with yourself.
Electric car batteries go for 200k miles with proper care, the same as your average gas car. So stop it with your fear-mongering bullshit.
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Someone needs to do a Google search.
Yeah, million mile cars are rare, obviously. But to claim it’s reliable when you have to replace that much shit to get there is nonsense. It’s well known that they have issues making them unusable and cost ineffective in the long run.
I’m absolutely for effective EVs but I’m not going to suck the dick of a company that does so poorly, while sucking on the government teat and act like that’s a company we need. We don’t need 8,000 lb vehicles that’ll do 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Do their respective views on the quality of their Teslas correlate to their views on Musk?
The cars are fine. There’s a lot of disinformation out there.
Honestly, that’s the right move. I genuinely assume Tesla drivers are assholes at this stage. I see the Tesla logo as MAGA 2.0.
As a Tesla owner of 7 years, my next car will absolutely not be a Tesla and it is entirely because of Elon Musk.
I appreciate the company spurring competition to enter the market with EVs, but now I hope they crash and burn.
They’re literally crashing and burning if you pay close attention to the news.
I agree. Many companies have shady practices but very few of them have CEOs that show their shitty character as open as Elon Musk. One important reason of buying an electric car instead of a ICE car is causing less harm / negative impact to the world. And people who make their buying decision based on that in many cases don’t appreciate people constantly lying and promoting fachism. I personally won’t buy a Tesla as long as he is involved.
The dangerous thing here is that he’s using his influence, fame and resources to normalise being a chronic fuckhead, and it’s likely going to work.
Ai art finally getting some proper use here
That’s not AI art, that was taken at a Trump rally right before Elon turned into a human jumping bean in elation of the event.
“He loves me! He really does! Hooraaaaay!”
::frantic giggling::
No. Its not OK to normalize fake news
Off topic, but…
“AI art” isn’t a thing anymore than “motorsport” is: it’s not sport when you’re not the motor.
Okay fuck ai “art” but why you gotta do motorsport dirty, that shit requires skill, physical fitness, shitloads of practice, and raw talent
Oh, no question. It takes skills to drive a car well - particularly a race car. It probably requires you to be fit too. But you’re not doing the work: the car does.
I choose to draw the line of “sport” at physical performance, because if you start including fine motor skills and intelligence, then you have to include poker-playing, model-making and mathematics and then it becomes ridiculous. And I say that as a semi-professional pool player: whatever I’m doing when I’m shooting pool, it sure ain’t sport, despite my having to train and keep fit.
Similarly, I choose to draw the line of “art” as you doing the art. Asking an AI to come up with a picture, however skillful the prompt, clearly isn’t you making the art.
That’s my take. Feel free to disagree 🙂
The cars aren’t driving themselves.
I think saying “it takes skill” and “probably requires you to be fit” are contradictory to your point. I would also argue that billiards is technically a sport. Golf is technically a sport.
F1 drivers need to workout to be able to drive their cars with all the force it exerts on their bodies.
Also, pretty sure you need “fine motor skills and intelligence” in every sport.
Sport is literally any competitive game meant to entertain. Why do you think they use the term Esport? Sport comes from the same root as distract and deport (to get carried away) as in, a sport is entertainment.
Is art about competition or is it the thing that is made?
Motorsport is absolutely a sport. It’s not just the driver either. Just like any sport, everybody’s got a job to do and the better they work together, the better the outcome. Id call pool a “skill based game”. You don’t have to be fit to be a top pool player, or darts, or bowling. You’re comparing being able to replicate good skill dozens of times over a period of 1-2 hours where motorsport is using your skills constantly over up to 12+ hours depending on the race. Some are over the course of days.
If Musk wasn’t with Tesla, I’d consider Tesla an option. And, I’m definitely in the market, my lease runs out in January. But with that idiot, nope. No chance. Doesn’t even have anything to do with Trump support. So I guess he’s right in a way?
Just the other day I saw a Tesla with a bumper sticker stating “I bought this before Elon went crazy.”
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Ioniq, or wait for the solid state battery packs in 2026. That’s my dilemma.
See, I was going to get an ioniq or a Kia. And then Amnesty International released a report that makes it clear just why they are priced so nicely: by exploiting people and the environment, and not caring.
Tesla is getting a very good result in that report (or, let’s say, as good as any EV maker gets). It’s a shame I can’t consider them.
I wonder where the source study for that graph is. Mercedes and Tesla aren’t known for their accuracy when it comes to self reports. So if that graph is going by where the companies say they’re getting material, vs where the material is actually being sourced it’s not very useful to me.
According to the methodology section of the report it is indeed based on the companies’ disclosed policies etc. What is problematic from my point of view though is that Hyundai didn’t even try to comment on the report when they were shown the draft. Sounds to me like they do not care.
Or they’re honest in their reporting at least
Why not both?
What does Musk think Trump is going to do for him? Trump has said multiple times he wants to outright ban EVs and increase fuel production and sales. He hates public transportation, so he’s not going to support The Loop. He’s weirdly obsessed with space, sure, but Trump isn’t going to give him money for SpaceX. Is Musk looking for a cabinet position or something?
This is how Authoritarianism works. Trump will ban all EVs with the exception of ones made by his inner circle.
so he’s not going to support The Loop.
Neither does Musk, so same difference.
Yes, he already announced plans for a new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)
I fucking hate this timeline
Of course he did, the greasy bastard.
Musk thinks Trump will reward his fealty with a cabinet post, where he can then maximize his grift using the government as his cudgel.
- He knows Trump can be bought: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/05/trump-endorses-electric-vehicles-elon-musk
- Millions of people hanging on his words for the last decade have gone to his head. He thinks he’s a genius and can do better
It definitely affected me. In retrospect I’m glad I bought a different EV.
I don’t think Elon is wrong. I went back stateside this summer after being away since 2020, and there were Tesla cars everywhere. My daughter and I made a joke about seeing a cyber truck in the wild thinking it wouldn’t happen, and we ended up seeing 3 of them.
I think most people don’t care about politics, and just want a decent EV. There is an old Mark Twain quote about someone who doesn’t read the news being uninformed, while the person reading the news is misinformed. I think in todays day and age, ignorance is bliss and uninformed may be the smarter option for your long term health.
imo if you want a functioning democracy most people should be informed of the events happening around them
Which do you think? Useful idiot or foreign actor?
If you’re uninformed and it doesn’t affect you, congratulations. The system is working for you. Unfortunately, that’s not the case for everyone.
Crazy to think about how supremely fucked up musk’s deepest core beliefs must truly be, working from a base of growing up in South Africa on the PRO Apartheid sideb with those broken psychopath parents. Like we see plenty from him, but he’s aware enough to not say the absolute worst of it out loud.
He’s the evil foreign born person they’re terrified of. He just ran over to their side so he could point outward to redirect the fingers he feared would point at him. Evil divorced coward
I wonder if errol musk and fred trump would have been bros. They certainly seem similar from what i have read about them both
It sucks, where is the 2016 Musk. That dude seemed to really want to help the world.
Tesla was in a difficult position, but was really doing good things, SpaceX was just getting off the ground (pun intended), The Boring Company wasn’t a thing yet.
But post 2016, he just seems to get worse and worse, meme coins, weird birther shit…
I used to really want a Tesla, they seemed like a car for me, but now that I am getting close to being able to afford one…well no, I think I’ll probably get a polestar. Musk you went from what I would have called a visionary to a joke then kept sliding into actively dangerous. Shame really.
It sucks, where is the 2016 Musk. That dude seemed to really want to help the world
Knowing people who worked with him at the time, 2016 Musk was a PR illusion and nothing more. He’s literally always been a giant piece of shit, he just had much better handlers and was able to hide it a lot better so he could get all those sweet government subsidies and commit stock fraud. Literally everything he’s ever done has been in the name of gifting money from the government or shareholders in some form or another for personal enrichment. He’s never once cared about anyone other than himself.
Musk is now one of the wealthiest people in the world and our justice and financial system have made it clear he won’t be punished, so now he can be the same piece of shit he’s always been, just publicly, because it’s clear there will be basically zero repercussions.
I had a client in 2011 who had worked for tesla and said musk was a complete nightmare even then!
I’ve always told my friends and family that Musk needs a sassy black woman as a publicist and all communications should be filtered through her.
The fall from grace was both spectacular and stunning. I’ve never seen someone trash so much goodwill and in such a short time.
Is that a real picture or AI?
It’s edited. In the original you can see Musk’s tongue in Trump’s mouth.
It’s a super super very real picture, bigly real, people are saying…
I mean people are, you know people are asking about the photo folks. Oh my god are they asking about the photo. Over and over, and people are saying folks, let me tell you. Nobody is asking about what’s going on in the White House right now. Nobody, is, asking.
Nobody wants to ask. You know why? You know what sleepy Joe and Kamala are doing in the White House? Right now? As I type this message on lemmy and with minimal effort trying to imitate Trump they are doing crazy things.
They are bringing insane asylums into the US. I don’t know what an asylum seeker is, but we’ll get to the bottom of it.
This was part of the lobbying contract they agreed to, where Trump got sponsorship from Elon, and Elon got new tax breaks.
Weirdly, they both asked for a kissing picture clause at the same time.
This is exactly why I’m down voting and reporting this post. Its not OK to normalize fake news
Whatever happens next month, I doubt Elon’s decision will age well. Even if Trump wins, I would be shocked if he doesn’t turn on Elon within a year.
This is the key takeaway, imo.
I mean they’re also really shitty cars. As much as the muskrat as poisoned the image of the company, I think a lot of the loss and sales is due to other competitors having caught up and being higher quality.
You might want to actually look at one or test drive one
Said it dozens of times, Musk’s one and only true talent is, or rather was, pumping his stock value.
We done got smart, sumbitch!
