i wonder if you’ll ever see the similarities between trump’s camp and biden’s. yaknow how he has folks who love him no matter what he does and says, right?
its ok to not like biden or be unhappy if he says shit you dont like. its also a good thing for democracy. If you were only exposed to the pro biden propaganda every day you wouldn’t even know he did or said these things. If everyone thought exactly as you do there would be no nuance.
Ozma’s hard-on for biden memes doesn’t mean theyre a psyop, thats the dumbest fucking idea ive ever heard someone say with a serious face on lemmy. like embarrassingly stupid.
And embarrasingly useless. I’ve seein ozma around and no matter how many times you say he’s a propagandist he will not stop. You and your ilk will never stop whinging about people who say things that attack your fragile world-view.
Not that you and your friviolous friends i see crowding ozmas posts will ever engage in self-reflection.
What you don’t seem to realize is how politics works. Everyone running around regurgitating what they saw some headline say and screaming in panic that they’re going to lose will make them lose.
You want to know why Trump supporters rally around him no matter what? It’s not because they’re idiots (though most are), it’s because they actually understand the importance of projecting strength as a collective and using that to shape a narrative into reality.
Yes Biden fucked up at the debate, but you know whats actually causing him to lose support? Everyone talking and publishing articles about him sounding hoarse and that meaning he has to quit, non stop. They’re not doing it because they have anyone else they think can actually beat Trump, they’re doing it because it made them scared and now they’re panicking and turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy (and in many cases, because they have an article quota to fill and they can capitalize on audiences feeling nervous after the debate by feeding that fear to get clicks in the most bombastic way).
Biden seemed old. Trump seems old literally every week. No one is watching that debate and changing their mind to vote for the mean forgetful lying pervert geriatric who shits himself over the geriatric.
What you don’t seem to realize is how politics works.
Christ, this shit again. Every last time a centrist gets called out on their bullshit, they pull out this gaslighty chestnut.
Everyone running around regurgitating what they saw some headline say and screaming in panic that they’re going to lose will make them lose.
Sure. It’s not like you were gonna blame anyone but the left when a neoliberal earns a loss. We warn you and you do something pigheaded and stupid anyway, and then you blame us.
Yes Biden fucked up at the debate, but you know whats actually causing him to lose support?
Him fucking up at the debate, in addition to his unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
Everyone talking and publishing articles about him sounding hoarse and that meaning he has to quit, non stop.
“We finally beat Medicare” isn’t hoarse. Forgetting which question he’s answering isn’t hoarse. Getting in a pissy little slapfight about fucking GOLF isn’t hoarse.
You just want everyone to your left to shut up and be happy. And maybe vote, as a tertiary priority.
Biden seemed old. Trump seems old literally every week.
Biden IS old. Not hoarse, not suffering from a cold, not hit with an energy weapon, not overprepared, not jet lagged, not any of the other ridiculous excuses that the “you don’t know how anything works now shut up” crowd insults everyone within earshot by expecting them to buy. The sun wasn’t in his eyes. The dog didn’t eat his homework.
Trump seems old literally every week.
He sure fucking does. And we need someone who can beat him. Biden is no longer that candidate. His debate performance wasn’t a fluke and there’s no way in hell you don’t know it.
Sure. It’s not like you were gonna blame anyone but the left when a neoliberal earns a loss. We warn you and you do something pigheaded and stupid anyway, and then you blame us.
Oh ok, well atleast you’re not being reactionary and judgemental and immediately thinking you know everything about me and what I want and that I’m an other who opposes you.
Good thing to know I’m talking with someone clairvoyant, thank you!
You just want everyone to your left to shut up and be happy. And maybe vote, as a tertiary priority.
No I want people on the left to learn how to win a fucking election by supporting the most likely candidate to win instead of wringing their hands and min/maxing whatever their particular naiive priority is.
I repeat what I said and you didn’t address. No one watched that debate and changed their mind to vote for Trump.
Yeah, Biden is older than ideal, unless you have a better option, shut the fuck up. If you’re better option is just “I dunno anyone else” then you’re just tearing down Biden with no replacement and need to shut the fuck up.
If you wanna make a case for why Gavin Belsom Newsom is a better candidate who can beat Trump I’m all ears.
Oh no. The right has spies everywhere… They’re even inside your own party!!!
You idiots are so paranoid about your bogeyman you feel you can just ignore every criticism because it’s probably some evil person trying to stop you from your perfect idea of reality. It’s not perfect. Grow up.
TLDR: The bogeyman is dumb people repeating dog whistle arguments like this, that help their side, instead of issues that hurt their side.
Wall of angry man text (only read of you are trapped in a hurricane like I am):
I really just figured you were the fucking idiot parroting their dumbass arguments.
If there is a possibility that you are not just another troll…
They ABSOLUTELY have teams of people who monitor social media interactions and they know exactly what people respond to.
They know how to frame an argument in a way that will make sense to someone that “Just kinda knows the issues, or at least think they do.”
With the objective to make the argument about something that, while usually meaningless, will get people speaking their talking points. It muddies the waters and gets people talking about issues they can control (or doesn’t hurt their candidate) instead of issues they can’t.
It is not rocket surgery. Half the work is automatic data harvesting. Facebook made it possible to target individuals for ad placement 15 years ago. They know exactly what dog whistle will make you bark, what will make you post online, what you will share with others, and they will manipulate the fuck out of it.
So for example, you are arguing that Biden is a shit choice for the Democratic candidate (he is, but arguing about that now only helps the right) instead of the BILLION other things wrong with Trump.
So whether you think you are or not, you are a fucking stooge for the right. Go bleep with the other sheep because your energy is only helping Trump.
My wife and I are registered Republicans. She worked in politics for over 15 years. We were young and naive while the Tea Party slowly took over because the people with the money started to realize just how big a base the fundy morons were, and just how easy it was to manipulate people.
They don’t need bogeymen. They just need a competent data harvesting algorithm (spoiler: they can afford to pay for the ones that already have everything), and a handful of people creating the types of arguments you are using. Then they let the morons like you do the work for them.
My wife got paid almost $15k a month to do 10-15 radio spots a month, around the country, (she just needed to call in) to talk about political issues. It was all bullshit. The interviews were setup and exchanges were practically scripted word for word, but designed to sound candid. The point was to push wedge issues, to get people talking about things they were passionate about but had little real bearing. But it would get people to vote, or it would get people arguing talking points that only hurt the other side. (Citizens United really fucking ruined this country’s political landscape, but JFC that PAC money was hard to walk away from.)
Now the effort to do it requires even less work. It’s 90% online and even more effective, because people think they are so smart that they’ll never fall for it.
It took me researching Benghazi, for a graduate project, to realize just how fucked up the misinformation machine is. I realized how easily I was misled and most importantly, how I could not trust news organizations to provide accurate information. (They are not necessarily trying to be subversive, they are just trying to be the first one with the story out and want to sell ad space, so the more sensationalized, the better).
I know this is a wall of text, I’ve got a hurricane on top of me and the power is out (yay ERCOT), so I’ve got too much time.
I’m just a faceless internet pundit ranting and name calling, so don’t give my argument any more worth than this:
Who does your argument really help and why is it more important to discuss than the 100+ other crisis level issues we have. For example, how can we restore legitimacy to a Supreme Court that has just normalized punditry from the bench? Or, how do we restore the idea that our leaders should be statesman that have a responsibility to be truthful and there be repercussions when they aren’t?
We can start by not running shit candidates that get paid to also do nothing and not get in the way of companies.
Honestly, I don’t care anymore. The Democrats are fucked because we couldn’t pull our faces out of corporate asshole sniffing for 5 minutes to actually do anything and the leaders are all money.
I can and do yell about Trump but that doesn’t do anything and apparently neither does trying to warn about Biden.
36% favorable polling won’t fix itself just because enough people scream at the people who don’t like him for whatever reason. And it’s disingenuous to say we should be talking about other issues when we do but those also get ignored because of important stuff like who gets to make policy.
You can’t just refuse to play the game and still expect to win.
Being above it just makes you feel right while doing nothing. This country will end up burned to the ground and it won’t be because people like me tried to warn about it.
BREAKING NEWS!
Fans defend their own teams and bash opposing teams!
…and I guess that fact somehow lines up with objective realities of a political situation and means both sides policies are the same…because reasons‽
I’ve noticed the hottest takes usually come after a thread has cooled. Would you care to tell me how i seem ignorant? I would like to come across as learned in your eyes. Please advise if you have content behind your words, with your point. Or are you afraid of exposing your own lacka acumen?
i wonder if you’ll ever see the similarities between trump’s camp and biden’s. yaknow how he has folks who love him no matter what he does and says, right?
its ok to not like biden or be unhappy if he says shit you dont like. its also a good thing for democracy. If you were only exposed to the pro biden propaganda every day you wouldn’t even know he did or said these things. If everyone thought exactly as you do there would be no nuance.
Ozma’s hard-on for biden memes doesn’t mean theyre a psyop, thats the dumbest fucking idea ive ever heard someone say with a serious face on lemmy. like embarrassingly stupid.
And embarrasingly useless. I’ve seein ozma around and no matter how many times you say he’s a propagandist he will not stop. You and your ilk will never stop whinging about people who say things that attack your fragile world-view.
Not that you and your friviolous friends i see crowding ozmas posts will ever engage in self-reflection.
The idea that trumps cult is anything comparable to Biden supporters is absolutely the most insane shit take.
You can’t be serious.
Deadly serious. Would you like to go into it more with me to see what i mean, or is this comment a statement of your final thought on the matter?
EDIT: I am gonna take a wild swing and guess you’re a perfect example of who i’m talking about.
Man you are such a psyop.
Running around telling everyone that the only option is to run the poorly polling candidate.
That his loss is “possible but oh well, only one option”.
Man Russia is taking a weird strategy to get their pick in these days.
Bruh, you’re talking about supporting project 2025 and literal fascism.
Shut the fuck up.
Jesus fucking Christ it’s not complicated.
“Wah wah Biden is tired, let’s elect Hitler”. Fucking dumbasses.
“If Biden stays in the race, he will lose to Hitler”
“ZOMG YUO WANT HITLER?!??!?!”
What you don’t seem to realize is how politics works. Everyone running around regurgitating what they saw some headline say and screaming in panic that they’re going to lose will make them lose.
You want to know why Trump supporters rally around him no matter what? It’s not because they’re idiots (though most are), it’s because they actually understand the importance of projecting strength as a collective and using that to shape a narrative into reality.
Yes Biden fucked up at the debate, but you know whats actually causing him to lose support? Everyone talking and publishing articles about him sounding hoarse and that meaning he has to quit, non stop. They’re not doing it because they have anyone else they think can actually beat Trump, they’re doing it because it made them scared and now they’re panicking and turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy (and in many cases, because they have an article quota to fill and they can capitalize on audiences feeling nervous after the debate by feeding that fear to get clicks in the most bombastic way).
Biden seemed old. Trump seems old literally every week. No one is watching that debate and changing their mind to vote for the mean forgetful lying pervert geriatric who shits himself over the geriatric.
Christ, this shit again. Every last time a centrist gets called out on their bullshit, they pull out this gaslighty chestnut.
Sure. It’s not like you were gonna blame anyone but the left when a neoliberal earns a loss. We warn you and you do something pigheaded and stupid anyway, and then you blame us.
Him fucking up at the debate, in addition to his unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
“We finally beat Medicare” isn’t hoarse. Forgetting which question he’s answering isn’t hoarse. Getting in a pissy little slapfight about fucking GOLF isn’t hoarse.
You just want everyone to your left to shut up and be happy. And maybe vote, as a tertiary priority.
Biden IS old. Not hoarse, not suffering from a cold, not hit with an energy weapon, not overprepared, not jet lagged, not any of the other ridiculous excuses that the “you don’t know how anything works now shut up” crowd insults everyone within earshot by expecting them to buy. The sun wasn’t in his eyes. The dog didn’t eat his homework.
He sure fucking does. And we need someone who can beat him. Biden is no longer that candidate. His debate performance wasn’t a fluke and there’s no way in hell you don’t know it.
Oh ok, well atleast you’re not being reactionary and judgemental and immediately thinking you know everything about me and what I want and that I’m an other who opposes you.
Good thing to know I’m talking with someone clairvoyant, thank you!
No I want people on the left to learn how to win a fucking election by supporting the most likely candidate to win instead of wringing their hands and min/maxing whatever their particular naiive priority is.
I repeat what I said and you didn’t address. No one watched that debate and changed their mind to vote for Trump.
Yeah, Biden is older than ideal, unless you have a better option, shut the fuck up. If you’re better option is just “I dunno anyone else” then you’re just tearing down Biden with no replacement and need to shut the fuck up.
If you wanna make a case for why Gavin
BelsomNewsom is a better candidate who can beat Trump I’m all ears.No I’m not I’m just so tired of it being only one way that we pretend the complaints and warnings are the problem.
I didn’t say that at all and you keep lashing out at the people that also don’t want to live in fascism.
No, you are just running an argument that was created by the right’s agenda.
So are you actually an agent of the right, trying to push that line, or just a moron who fell for that stupid argument?
Oh no. The right has spies everywhere… They’re even inside your own party!!!
You idiots are so paranoid about your bogeyman you feel you can just ignore every criticism because it’s probably some evil person trying to stop you from your perfect idea of reality. It’s not perfect. Grow up.
TLDR: The bogeyman is dumb people repeating dog whistle arguments like this, that help their side, instead of issues that hurt their side.
Wall of angry man text (only read of you are trapped in a hurricane like I am):
I really just figured you were the fucking idiot parroting their dumbass arguments.
If there is a possibility that you are not just another troll…
They ABSOLUTELY have teams of people who monitor social media interactions and they know exactly what people respond to.
They know how to frame an argument in a way that will make sense to someone that “Just kinda knows the issues, or at least think they do.”
With the objective to make the argument about something that, while usually meaningless, will get people speaking their talking points. It muddies the waters and gets people talking about issues they can control (or doesn’t hurt their candidate) instead of issues they can’t.
It is not rocket surgery. Half the work is automatic data harvesting. Facebook made it possible to target individuals for ad placement 15 years ago. They know exactly what dog whistle will make you bark, what will make you post online, what you will share with others, and they will manipulate the fuck out of it.
So for example, you are arguing that Biden is a shit choice for the Democratic candidate (he is, but arguing about that now only helps the right) instead of the BILLION other things wrong with Trump.
So whether you think you are or not, you are a fucking stooge for the right. Go bleep with the other sheep because your energy is only helping Trump.
My wife and I are registered Republicans. She worked in politics for over 15 years. We were young and naive while the Tea Party slowly took over because the people with the money started to realize just how big a base the fundy morons were, and just how easy it was to manipulate people.
They don’t need bogeymen. They just need a competent data harvesting algorithm (spoiler: they can afford to pay for the ones that already have everything), and a handful of people creating the types of arguments you are using. Then they let the morons like you do the work for them.
My wife got paid almost $15k a month to do 10-15 radio spots a month, around the country, (she just needed to call in) to talk about political issues. It was all bullshit. The interviews were setup and exchanges were practically scripted word for word, but designed to sound candid. The point was to push wedge issues, to get people talking about things they were passionate about but had little real bearing. But it would get people to vote, or it would get people arguing talking points that only hurt the other side. (Citizens United really fucking ruined this country’s political landscape, but JFC that PAC money was hard to walk away from.)
Now the effort to do it requires even less work. It’s 90% online and even more effective, because people think they are so smart that they’ll never fall for it.
It took me researching Benghazi, for a graduate project, to realize just how fucked up the misinformation machine is. I realized how easily I was misled and most importantly, how I could not trust news organizations to provide accurate information. (They are not necessarily trying to be subversive, they are just trying to be the first one with the story out and want to sell ad space, so the more sensationalized, the better).
I know this is a wall of text, I’ve got a hurricane on top of me and the power is out (yay ERCOT), so I’ve got too much time.
I’m just a faceless internet pundit ranting and name calling, so don’t give my argument any more worth than this:
Who does your argument really help and why is it more important to discuss than the 100+ other crisis level issues we have. For example, how can we restore legitimacy to a Supreme Court that has just normalized punditry from the bench? Or, how do we restore the idea that our leaders should be statesman that have a responsibility to be truthful and there be repercussions when they aren’t?
We can start by not running shit candidates that get paid to also do nothing and not get in the way of companies.
Honestly, I don’t care anymore. The Democrats are fucked because we couldn’t pull our faces out of corporate asshole sniffing for 5 minutes to actually do anything and the leaders are all money.
I can and do yell about Trump but that doesn’t do anything and apparently neither does trying to warn about Biden.
36% favorable polling won’t fix itself just because enough people scream at the people who don’t like him for whatever reason. And it’s disingenuous to say we should be talking about other issues when we do but those also get ignored because of important stuff like who gets to make policy.
You can’t just refuse to play the game and still expect to win.
Being above it just makes you feel right while doing nothing. This country will end up burned to the ground and it won’t be because people like me tried to warn about it.
Did you just call that person and Operation…that is really strange.
BREAKING NEWS! Fans defend their own teams and bash opposing teams! …and I guess that fact somehow lines up with objective realities of a political situation and means both sides policies are the same…because reasons‽
This comment makes it seem like you have zero exposure to politics outside of Lemmy/Reddit echo chambers. It also makes you look like a fucking idiot.
I’ve noticed the hottest takes usually come after a thread has cooled. Would you care to tell me how i seem ignorant? I would like to come across as learned in your eyes. Please advise if you have content behind your words, with your point. Or are you afraid of exposing your own lacka acumen?
Woah that’s really cool.
Their fear of Trump clouds their critical thinking skills.