Counter point: Current-day Russia is many things but socialist certainly isn’t one of them. Inequality is massive and health care is drinking yourself to death.
So, you know, fuckin’ #BASED
Precisely why the MAGA types love it! Traditional values!
I’m okay with the MAGA types drinking themselves to death. At least then most of them won’t vote.
Has Muscovy been anything other than backwards; wearing a cape of ideology? I see the threaded simulacra from the con of khans to Putin as a consistent parade of the Terrible’.
Yep, ignoring the ‘shock therapy’ from the 90s entirely that allowed a bunch of criminals to gain control of former state assets is anything but socialism.
There is no exercise which occupies the average tanky’s mind more than explaining why a literal oligarchy run by a guy who sees himself as the fascist messiah envisioned by the guy who invented christian fascism, is actually totally socialist and critical support and shut up liberal america bad!
I dont think most tankies would say Russia is today socialist. 30% of employees in Russia work for the state in 2016 compared to 70-90% in 1985. And the biggest predisessor parties of Putin´s party United Russia were hard supported by the CIA and the US(because the parties were right wing and for capitalism and free markets etc. .) to win the russian 1991 and 1996 election before they started to rig election results.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector_size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Russian_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Russian_presidential_election https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/14o601y/oc_how_well_the_richest_top_1_have_been_doing_the/
They won’t say it’s socialist, but they still defend anything Russia does because it’s anti-western, which is more important for the current generation of tankies.
If thats the case i think thats stupid and i think many would call me a tankie.
The litmus test for me is whether you support/apologise for the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I dont support it i think it was crazy by Putin. But i still praise many things about the former Soviet Union and Maoist china and yugoslavia and cuba etc. . For example that everybody was garanteed a minimum income through the federal job guarantees and the low income inequality etc. .
That’s cool, sounds lke you are a based leftist, not a tankie.
It’s because these spaces have just been infested by Russian trolls and it’s super blatant. Lemmy.ml, at times, feels like it’s legitimately an intro course for shitty Russian trolls before they get moved on to Facebook and reddit.
The excuse I get from more intellectual Republican friends is that socialism in countries like Sweden and Norway work because they are monocultural.
This is such a “tell me you’ve never been in the north” claim. XD
russia isn’t socialist at all, cmon
Great job at missing the point.
Chuds typically say the Nordic Social Democracies are nice, but can only exist because they are small, and nearly ethno-states, because “they care strongly about helping their like-minded neighbors.” Hardly anyone thinks the Nordics are Socialist. Chuds are usually nationalists, so this fits neatly into their worldview, for why others can have it nicer while they currently cannot.
As for the Russian Federation, I think anyone can agree that it’s far from Socialist, and Shock Therapy absolutely destroyed Russia as Capitalists brutally plundered the remains of the USSR. Chuds like the Russian Federation because it is socially reactionary and highly Capitalist.
Modern Russia and the Soviet Union are very far from each other
In us units it’s like Thanos and Ultron
“Russia used to have a different political system, therefore current-day Russia can’t be traditional.”
Or what exactly is the point here?
“MAGA hats have no real reason to mistake the Nordic countries as socialist, but do; and every reason to mistake Russia as the product of ‘socialism’, including a number of still-nationalized industries and high public sector employment, a former KGB member as leader who constantly praises the Soviet Union, and a still-active Communist Party, yet (correctly) identify it as the kind of non-socialist traditionalist shithole they’d love to live in. To them, ‘socialist’ just means ‘gives LGBT people basic rights’.”
Yet they like the Viking ancestors of those socialist hellholes.
What conservative likes russia?
Too many. Tucker Carlson and his viewers come to mind.
“Fiscal conservatives” like the system of degenerate kleptocracy that dismantled the holdings of the Soviet Union and created some of the wealthiest oligarchs on earth. The rest see kinship with Russia in their dismal views on LGBT/sexual liberation, women’s rights, people of color, and the use of violence to pursue goals.
Both the far left and the far right adore Russia One of the few things where they’re united
Libs think the USA lost the cold war.
Also lol “the most free market countries in Europe”
Libs think the USA lost the cold war.
What are you talking about?
Also lol “the most free market countries in Europe”
Ah yes a metric from the Heritage foundation, very academic. These countries with large nationalized industries are the most capitalist! 🤪
What are you talking about?
I’m talking about you, the memester, not knowing who won the cold war.
