• PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world
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      Doubt there is one. The hard truth is that most Americans’ taxes are pretty simple and straightforward. We can stop pretending that copying some boxes from a W2 and a 1099 is difficult.

      I mean, personally I wish we’d stop pretending that the IRS isn’t already fully aware of what you owe and could just do the filling for you, like in other countries, but until Grover Norquist fucks off forever we’re stuck where we are.

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        Right. Filing taxes should only be necessary if you have itemized writeoffs or wish to contest the IRS’s statement of your tax liability. They already know what you earned their your employer, what’s been paid in taxes, what basic credits your qualify for, etc. They know what you owe so long as you didn’t have expenses to apply for that they couldn’t assume or know about. The only reason they don’t already do that or, at least until now, have a free public system for filing, it’s because tax companies have lobbied for decades to be able to milk the public for cash to help them file and navigate their tax liability.

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          The argument has been since free filing means only the wealthy will hire accountants, free filing would discriminate against the poor given a few mistakes will be made here and there.

          I may not need to mention that disingenuous argument is made by the pirates at Intuit and their lobbyists.

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            free filing would discriminate against the poor

            As opposed to the current system where the richest among us can hire a whole team of accountants to find every deduction possible?

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                It should also be noted that if the vast majority of people do nothing special on their taxes and just accept the government’s assessment, then that leaves a much smaller group of people to be audited. And a much larger portion of those people will be those who are trying to weasel their way out of paying their share. Right now, with the IRS being criminally underfunded, they only focus on low hanging fruit, the small fries. With those people being boiler plater auto-accepting tax payers, that would mean the IRS has no reason to audit them and can focus on the big boys where the real cheats are. That’s another big reason we do not have that sort of system and why the IRS is currently so underfunded (despite every dollar spent on the IRS generating between 5 and 9 dollars in revenue from tax fraud/evasion). Those kinds of people pay to make sure it doesn’t happen.

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            Holy Christ someone using disingenuous appropriately, I’d almost given up on the word. Thanks for saving it!

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          They know what you owe so long as you didn’t have expenses to apply for that they couldn’t assume or know about

          Solo 401ks/IRA also wouldn’t be something they know about until you file if I understand correctly. Guess you could that expenses?

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            They would go in the sections for 401ks and IRAs just like they do on the paper forms. The online form will have the same way to enter the additional deductions.

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            They should (and do?) have the same information your employer, bank, or brokerage files. i.e. the same forms you use to fill out your taxes now. They know what you contributed to you 401k and your other retirement accounts.

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        In italy the data is pre-filled, you just have to check if there’s something missing and you’re good to go, but you still have to send the module manually, like going into the website and doing the stuff.

        It should be all automatic, wtf

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          Don’t they just assume that everything is good if you don’t reply? Works that way here

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        How is the IRS supposed to know you paid me 5k last year via check??? How do you think people who don’t get w2 from their job have their income reported to the government? How do u think w2 get reported?

        You have no clue how any of this actually works… stfu

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          You’re acting like the filing that would come from the government would be the final record and you wouldn’t be allowed to correct it, which is not at all what people are suggesting.

          Plus, audits will still be a thing.

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          All of those things you mentioned are edge cases which you would still be able to handle yourself if they auto filled everything for you.

          I use an online tax service which scans my w2 and filles it out. It still gives me the option to edit stuff but I mostly just check to make sure things look good.

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      Unless it’s changed from the pilot, it’s only useful if you file a 1040EZ or take some really basic deductions. Anything beyond the basics, like any kind of investments, means you need to use a different tool.

      But freetaxusa is still free for all but the most complex cases.

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        From the article:

        The pilot program targeted people with simple tax returns based on W-2 forms. In her remarks today Yellen said that over the next few years they will expand Direct File to support more situations.

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        But even that would cover a large percentage of the American workforce, and I imagine over a few years, it will grow to cover all users that don’t need personal accountants. Progress is progress.

        Personally, I hope this transitions into a system where they email you a proposed return and you do nothing to accept it (only needing to take action if there’s an issue).

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      I’ve been in the US for a few years now. All my colleagues told me that doing taxes is hard. So I used to reluctantly pay money to do it through Sprintax. This year, I decided to do it by hand. It took almost the same amount of time as it would’ve taken to do it through Sprintax, which is around 30 minutes.

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      Only catch is Republicans probably launching some type of legal action to try and stop it.

      https://www.nysscpa.org/news/publications/the-trusted-professional/article/13-republican-ags-seek-to-stop-irs-s-fre-direct-file-pilot-program-020224

      No lawsuit launched yet to my knowledge, just sternly worded letters saying please stop helping taxpayers instead of letting predatory companies like Intuit fleece money off of them.

      I would expect them to try something soon though with this announced.

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      You have to register an account with the 3rd party service ID.me that uses biometrics like facial recognition. Their privacy policy is horrendous.

      The only reason I haven’t used it this year.

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      I was in a pilot state (Arizona), and I looked into it. It’s only for federal taxes. You need to file state taxes separately.

      There are already several online tax solutions that offer free federal and charge for state.

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      You get to pick which oligarch or corporation gets your tax money this year!