I find it strange that many people here are against this when the alternative is a surgical treatment that often can’t be easily reversed, and even when it is, often lowers the likelihood they will have a kid.
Chemical solutions are way better in that regard because if they are done right they don’t damage any tissue and their affects are temporary.
I’m not against it but you’d have to be crazy to trust a guy who doesn’t want to use a condom because he swears he’s on the pill. It seems like it opens up a wild new avenue for sexual assault.
The reality is that the consequences of sex are asymmetric. I suppose this is an interesting option for couples in a relationship though.
asymmetric?
Like you’ve ever trusted a woman that has said “It’s okay, I’m on the pill” first time you hit the sheets?
Society doesn’t consider that a crime tho
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Fuck yes, sexual repression what a banger idea that is modern and haven’t even been considered for literally thousands of years and proven abusive to exactly every human being on the planet
Oh yeah, I’ll just tell my wife that we’re never having sex again because we’ve now got enough kids. I’m sure this will be a healthy and emotionally viable way of strengthening our relationship over the next 30 years or so until the menopause.
Honestly, as a dude, I’m 100% down for male birth control. Can’t wait.
Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.
“Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?
You can already do that with condoms and no one is messing up their body…
Exactly.
Condoms would be 99% effective if they could be made idiot-proof.
Sucks you’re being down voted, I mean maybe saying “idiot-proof” isn’t nice but comprehensive sex ed should cover helping those with a noodle understand how to find ones that fit comfortably and what main causes there are for breakage n whatnot. I’m currently having that discussion with my sex buddy, and I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve had people try to coerce me into letting them go raw dog in the past. Like keep in mind I’m in a state that has not only criminalized abortion but is defunding all planned parenthoods now.
It’s the Internet.
People downvote a lot of stuff.
Condoms are only 99% effective. You NEED a second layer of defence.
They’re 100% effective, the only reason there said to be 99% effective is to prevent lawsuits from people using then incorrectly.
I’m a human, I can make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I’ve had friend couples I know get pregnant even though they’re “professional condom putters onners”.
It’s not the condom’s fault if you make a mistake. Condom material doesn’t let sperm through, it’s that simple, it’s been used incorrectly if it did. Companies don’t want to lose time and money with lawsuits hence 99%.
Also, anecdotal evidence while you weren’t in bed with them isn’t much of a proof, it’s as valid as me telling you I’ve never got any girl pregnant even when we weren’t using any protection therefore pulling out is 100% effective.
Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!
The hippocratic oath, in this case. Medicine is all about risk management, the worse the “disease,” the more tolerant we are of side effects for the cure. Pregnancy and birth are still pretty traumatic events that, while much safer than they used to be, are still dangerous. Female BC just has to be less risky than that. Male BC on the other hand, has to be as low the risk for a man impregnating a woman, which is to say, almost zero. Pretty much any negative side effect is worse than that, so it’s very difficult to pass. I would gladly take one with comparable side effects to female BC, but sometimes unflinching ethics are inconvenient. Better than the alternative, but still.
Somehow, we manage to accept organ transplants despite it hurting one healthy person a little to help an unhealthy person a lot. What’s stopping us from treating birth control the same way?
The Hippocratic oath is not a thing in most countries and not applicable anyway. If it was, kidney transplants would be done without a doctor present (in the US that is, don’t overestimate your little made up oath ritual internationally)
we can finally share the load and mess up everyone because of not affording babies!
share the load
Sorry. I’m a child.
If only your dad had had this pill
yeah, not wanting 10 children is a matter of cost, of course. It’s baffling to me how unreflected and naive opinions regarding reproduction still are…
Right? I’m at the point where I can’t possibly fathom the thought process of bringing a child into this world.
What do you mean by always? The birth control makes sense because it’s much harder to do it for men because sperm is constantly being produced and women only release 1 egg per month. What other ways do women have to mess up their bodies?
Oh, wow, do you come off as uninformed! Birth control for women has tons and tons of side effects, and it’s in no way easier to prevent successful ovulation than it is to prevent fertile sperm production. In fact, birth control drugs for men have been repeatedly blocked by regulators for having too many side effects, while those side effects pretty closely mirror those of the pill for women. So, interfering with everything from blood pressure to appetite is acceptable when women are affected, but can’t be burdened upon men?
Interrupting the ovulation cycle comes at great cost for the body. All the “non-hormonal” ways of birth control we have (except the condom) require either poisonous metals and foreign objects to be pushed inside the uterus, increasing the risk for cysts, causing pain, and regular checkups and painful procedures to be applied or fitted (diaphragm). Or toxins to be applied straight into a woman’s private parts (spermicides). Calendar-based methods and “pulling out” have large margins of error, as have condoms.
Honestly, as glad as this article makes me, I’d still like to see a perfect birth control for women. Periods seem like they must be the worst part of being a woman (biologically, not socially). Having a temporary, reversible way to stop ovulation without fucking up a dozen related systems and causing physical and mental anguish would be nice.
Do the copper IEDs have negative side effects? I thought the objection to those was purely moral.
Edit: I meant IUD lol
My wife got repeated infections and had a lot of pain from the copper iud.
If you go looking for testimonials you’ll find numerous people who had bad experiences with it.
Also, they really should offer anesthetic or at least a powerful painkiller for the insertion and removal procedures. Doctors act like it’s no big deal, but it’s very painful.
Yet another case of the medical industry not caring one iota about women and women’s ability to identify what is going on with their own bodies. The number of times I’ve heard of doctors dismissing women’s pain and issues makes me want to scream.
Yep.
Firstly: Disregarding the discomfort of having to see the doctor and having something shoved inside your body is a weird mistake, especially men tend to make regularly when talking about those things. Having your genitals exposed to and then painfully tampered with by what is ultimately a stranger isn’t a thing most people would describe as a pleasant afternoon activity.
The side effects aren’t just from hormones. Imagine having to do a prostate exam every 6 months and a metal plug shoved close to your prostate through your urethra every few years (not the same, of course, just an attempt at an analogy, since men are one hole short down there). Wouldn’t you dislike that? Many women are really sensitive around their cervix and implanting the IUD can therefore be really painful.
Secondly: Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people, and there are hints that those IUDs can increase the risk for cysts, which in turn cause issues, pain and sometimes need surgical removal.
Period cramps increase in severity, bleeding increases for most people
The two women I dated that had an implanted IUD legit didn’t have a period anymore. So not only was the bleeding and cramps not worse, they simply didn’t exist.
You honestly seem to just trying to be pushing some agenda, possibly because you had a bad experience and you’re assuming that’s just the way it is for everyone, when the reality is it’s pretty rare.
I know it has many side effects. My girfriend suffered many of them when she was taking the pill and I had to beg her to stop because it just was not worth it.
And fuck off of course it’s easier to stop ovulation than sperm production. It’s a numbers game. Also not like I fucking made hormonal birth control. What we have now is bad and you can go ahead and find a better alternative with less side effects. That does not mean the new birth control should also have side effects. Take issue with the people that approved the current ones.
A “numbers game”? Do you think there are little men in your balls, strangulating every sperm cell when it’s formed? Or… do you think the pill works by somehow interfering with the ovum itself?
Because it doesn’t. Quite the opposite. Just as male contraception methods don’t try to kill sperm, but to shut down the factory. Besides: You cannot measure the difficulty or complexity of medical procedures by how many cells are affected. By that logic, brain surgery would be way easier to do than amputating a leg.
What I meant is that it’s easier to ensure it works being a numbers game. If you constantly have new sperm being made it’s way harder to shut that down consistently than to stop one egg releasing once per month.
Forgetting about pregnancy and childbirth perhaps? I take it that they meant those things fuck up women’s bodies pretty severely sometimes. It’s a tough struggle to recover from pregnancy and childbirth, and some never do.
But apart from that, birth control should be an equal burden, IMO.
This is a really dumb take. The onus of birth control should not be only on the women.
Condoms are a thing
Same. I’ve always preferred to be in full control of my own contraception, mostly because I just don’t trust anyone else with something that consequential
Agreed. Always better to unload the gun rather than try to stop it with armor
Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.
Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.
A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.
On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.
I will say this as often as I can, getting the ol snip snip was the best decision I’ve ever made.
Who doesn’t love cream pies!?!?!?!
Do you have kids or did you never want them?
Written by someone who has never had to pay child support.
Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support
Edit: I can’t read, it says physiological and I’m just deficient in the reading
Have you ever had a toddler hit you over the head with a plastic bat? There IS physical risk in raising a child.
They said Physiological not Psychological. There’s a considerable difference between those two words.
My bad, I can’t read 🤦
The letters I and C?
I meant their meanings, rather than their spellings lol.
There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.
god damn the comments on this post are the fucking wild west
Ha jokes on them, the plastic in my balls is permanently shutting of my sperm!
Plastic is stored in the balls
thank you
Everyone brace yourself! The Christians are looking for Bible quotes right now!
If altar boys could get pregnant, the church would have approved birth control long ago.
Birth control was always prohibited im Christianity (at least Catholics, the ones I know the most about), from condom to pills to IUD, this won’t change it.
Any christian that is against one kind of birth control but in ok with other is just freestyling dogmas
Catholics yes, Protestant no. Both are Christianity. You need to read more, or at least watch some Monty Python.
Protestants, maybe. Protestantism is a wide group, some against birth control (like Adventists), some don’t
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Finally! Finally they’re trying to take the bullets out of the gun instead of trying to make a stronger bulletproof vest. I feel cautiously optimistic!
I’m a bit jealous that there’s no side effects, though. Depo made me gain 30lbs in ONE month. I’m lucky it made my tits significantly bigger (Went from a B to a DD), but that was not a fun experience.
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I got mine from Dr. Dick Chopp.
I gave myself one with a pair of rusty nail clippers, it worked well.
Dr. Richard Chopin.
Too subtle?
I had a GP named Richard Cutter.
I’m worried about pain. Also pain lasting a long/ permanent time.
Also I had epididymitis already. So maybe I shouldn’t go for it.
But too many guys get lied to and end up with a kid they didn’t want. That’s my biggest worry.
The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible for the average person with very few exceptions.
EDIT: added “for the average person”
Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol
edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though
How was the recovery process? I keep meaning to do it (we’re done having kids), but we keep having trips or whatever, so excuses pile up.
How soon could I be back doing active things? I have young kids, so “active” to me means roughhousing with the kids and whatnot.
When I did mine, I drove myself home and put a bag of peas on there for the afternoon. I was fine pretty much right away, but I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wild.
Plus you have to ejaculate like 30 times in two weeks to clean out the pipes, but your sperm is still active so you can only do hand and mouth stuff. That was a pretty good two weeks.
It’s literally so easy and the peace of mind is really nice especially if you’re impulsive as fuck like me.
I think medical advice says wait 3 days before you do anything wil
My brother only waited 2 days because he felt like he was recovering well. He said everything felt great right up to the point he nutted. Then it was like someone punched him in the balls. He was like "oh yes… oh yes… OH YES… OH GOD NO!!!
My recovery was honestly pretty bad. I was bed-ridden for about 2 weeks, then 8-ish months of aching pain all day every day. Not actually sure when it finally cleared up, I just realized I hadn’t felt the pain in a while. My first nut was about a month after the procedure, and that was also a very unpleasant experience.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
That said, I still 100% recommend getting it done.
My case is abnormal, but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives. Didn’t find out about that until I started digging deeper because of my persistent pain.
Dang that sucks your urologist / surgeon didn’t let you know about this. Mine was very clear that though it is rare (was quoted 1% which seems kind high to me) he doesn’t recommend going through with the procedure if you have testicular pain in your day to day as it could be a risk factor for having permanent pain afterwards
Mine was rough too, about 6 months before I was normal.
Not a single fucking regret
I’m so sorry, that’s horrid! I have multiple friends who came home with no pain, didn’t do cum for a few weeks, and basically didn’t even notice anything.
That’s so fucking horrible, I wish you had a much better experience. At least you can dump in the gut eternally with no worries, though.
but even more rare is the guys that continue to be in pain for the rest of their lives
EVEN AFTER REVERSING THE PROCEDURE
Look, it’s SUPER rare. We still drive cars even though, using my state of California as an example, eight of us die on the roads every day.
But…
I could never forgive myself if my groin hurt thirty years from now because of a singular & highly-optional decision I made today.
Same with LASIK - some have dry eyes forever afterwards. Nooooooo
I knew a guy who didn’t respond to the local anesthesia, and could feel the whole thing, and his doctor didn’t believe him.
Even he didn’t regret it.
Oh, yeah, my local wore off halfway through. When they applied more, it felt like they lit my nuts on fire.
Not bad at all.
For the first week doc said no erections- turns out not getting hard was the hardest part. After that, it was like a month or so of no unprotected sex. It’s been a few years so I might not remember correctly, but I think he recommended like 15 to 20 ejaculations in that time frame. And I’m going to humble brag here- I’ve been blessed with a wife whose libido is way higher than mine. But that month, knowing that each orgasm was one step closer to her not having kids again- she made it her mission in life to knock those orgasms out as fast as I could get it up.
I didn’t really have any swelling that I can remember- I iced my scrotum for a few hours but it didn’t hurt too bad so I stopped after that. Some acetaminophen helped with the residual pain, and I think I had to take it easy for a couple of weeks- don’t lift anything heavy to strain your groin muscles.
All in all, I don’t regret it and highly recommend anyone who is done having children to get one.
How the hell is one supposed to avoid getting any erections? Morning wood isn’t exactly something people have any degree of control over…
I’ve heard of a male birth control every couple years and still nothing on the market. Usually it’s because there are slight side effects and that’s considered to much of a risk meanwhile female birth control can cause blood clots and whatnot. I’m too jaded to believe this will ever come to fruition.
Safe, cheap, permanent but trivially reversible male birth control was invented in 1979 and has yet to be approved for US sale.
Can you share more info?
RISUG is a technique by which a polymer with specific electrical properties is injected into the vas deferens. This polymer messes up the flagella on sperm that pass nearby. Since “nearby” is a distance larger than the radius of the vas deferens, this means all sperm passing through get their flagellum screwed up, can no longer swim, and is therefore immotile.
It makes the man essentially sterile, until he wants to reverse the effect at which point a second injection simply washes the original polymer layer off the inner lining.
Probably talking about RISUG, although the US equivalent is Vasagel.
Basically Vasagel plugs up the Vas Deferens so sperm can’t get out, and RISUG rips sperm to shreds as they come out. It lasts for 10 years, and is reversible with a shot of baking soda.
RISUG is approved in India (where it was developed), and Vasagel is being developed by a foundation instead of a pharmaceutical company, so progress has been slow.
Don’t forget also the male morning-after pill: you take it the next day, it changes your blood group
I’d love to switch between shooting blanks and livefire on-demand.
Man if this is effective in both cost and a high efficacy rate, then I’m so down, assuming I don’t experience awful side effects.
I had the unfortunate experience of a manipulative woman lying about using protection, and it led to me developing a fear of others doing the same. It severely effected my dating/sex life all through my 20s.
If either party (or both!) can take easily-attainable birth control, it’d be so much better than we have it now.
It’s a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop, probably due to the male reproductive system not relying on a cycle that can be quite easily interrupted.
Still condom unless a long term partner. Though I’m paranoid about sti
Well the condom paradox says that if a casual partner is willing to have sex with you without condom that’s the biggest indicator for the need of a condom
I exist because my mother told my father that she was taking birth control. My father hasn’t been a part of my life except on a few occasions where he wanted to be here and there, and I don’t hold a grudge. My mom proudly told me this when I was about 9. I don’t blame her either, she raised herself from the time she was 4 years old when her mother committed suicide. She did the best she could with what she had as a person with no education and no parents to guide her.
My father came for the birth of my oldest biological child. He came for a few Christmases. He showed up when I was going through a divorce and helped me fix a car for my now ex. He didn’t have to do any of that. I barely know him at all, and even though it bums me out from time to time, it is what it is.
Life is a mess for everybody haha.
It’s not always the mother being deceptive.
My mother wanted a child. A family. She was clear about it from the start. My dad didn’t. Probably didn’t communicate it. He didn’t bother using protection either. When my mom got pregnant on the first go, he wanted an abortion. No responsibility.
He tried to hide his autism from my also autistic mother. They didn’t understand autism back then. She herself considered aborting me out of fear of having a retarded child. She zoned out for weeks, and when she learned I was a girl, she believed god had blessed her. For she thought girls can’t be autistic.
Lo and behold, my sister and I were neglected intellectually, socially, and emotionally. Because they did not understand parents supposed to teach children, not threaten them with a belt when the kid doesn’t adhere to their autistic whims/expectations.
We raised ourselves with 0 guidence and am I far behind the average person. They are both not asocial, lonely and happy we exist as a means to reduce their misery.
They should never have had children. Life is a mess.
My father bounced on my mother, thinking me and my twin sister died during childbirth. We were split up to keep.it that way. She grew up like royalty, with everything a child could possibly want or need, while I grew up in the desert with my aunt and uncle, who were both unfortunately killed while.I was in my late teens.
They’d lied to me about who my father really was after I was reunited with my sister, and the first time I ever met him I found out first hand how cruel he could be and I unfortunately lost my hand in the fray.
Despite this, he tried everything he could to get me to come work for him and his asshole boss. And mentor.
Ultimately he redeemed himself when he threw that wrinkled prick.down an 3levator shaft, but died soon after.
Life’s a mess.
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I misread the [raised herself] bit as [raised you herself] and I thought maybe you were a halucinating ai generating word salad for a minute lol.
And also, preaching to the choir I’m sure, that’s the biggest reason I hate AI. We’re already contending with misinformation and bad information, and here comes the confused talking computer to make things worse.
It’s a shame that male birth control has been so much more difficult to develop
Nah, condoms exist since ages and has many other benefits.
I use Arch
Truly, this is the most effective form of birth control.
I tried googling this but am confused by the results. Can you explain a bit more
Condoms + another birth control is more effective then just condoms
Nah, condoms have existed for ages and have many other benefits.
FTFY
First time in a long time I’ve seen FTFY used literally. Have an upvote
First time in a long time I’ve seen “literally” used right. Have an upvote.
I honestly appreciate that someone else cares enough about that word to upvote me for it. Thank you for being you
Literally can literally be used metaphorically:
So getting upset about the way a word has been used since before the founding of the US is literally the dumbest thing someone could be mad about. 😁
Yes, we all know condoms exist, thank you for your input.
The problem with condoms though is that they suck. Like, ugh, I’ll put on the toque of shame but stopping a frisky moment to apply birth control is just plain annoying.
Give me the swim team hiatus pill I can take before getting the penis brain, please and thanks.
You know what sucks? Unwanted children.
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the first trials for this resulted in men becoming sterile and then killing themselves.
And then a bunch of female comedians made fun of them for “being a little moody”
The point of the joke is not that they think men are being babies about it. It is that women’s birth control causes these same side effects, along with strokes, and a number of other serious, long term issues. However when women say they do not want to take birth control, and instead opt for doing things that require more responsibility of the man, they are often told similar things concerning the negative effects they get when using it, and they should just deal with it.
birth control for women doesn’t make a woman permanently sterile like the drug trials for male birth control did for men
That is actually not true. Not downplaying the significance of these effects, but…
In the 60s and 70s a large number of planned parenthood clinics were in low-income and predominantly black neighbourhoods, aimed at reducing the number of black babies.
In the same era birth control (more appropriately termed eugenics) programs forcibly sterilized black and indigenous women. Where it was presented as an option, the consequence for not following through on these doctor’s “recommendations,” were threats to withhold healthcare or public assistance. The statistics through the 60s and 70s were that roughly 1 in 4 were non-consenually sterilized.
But also, yeah, the results of this trial are fucked and people are right to be skeptical of this drug.
More info on this here:
I had assumed the women weren’t sterilised by the normal contraceptive meds, but it seems they used a large dose of Depo-Provera which is a legit contraceptive injection. Not the usual pills but still.
There are also stories in that article of people having forced hysterectomies.
America’s history of racism is so dark.
Maybe not, but female hormonal birth control can cause liver tumors and blood clots. Can’t have more kids if a blood clot kills you.
The moral of the story should be safer contraceptives for everyone…
Unfortunately for women they weigh the side effects of hormonal birth control against those of a pregnancy. Since pregnancy also increases the chance of blood clots and other things they just say “good enough!” And put it on the market…which is bullshit. Either way we’re at higher risk of serious health issues.
That’s why women are angry. I feel confident saying the majority of women dont want unsafe bc for men. We want more research into safer bc options available for us too.
Did this happen? Or was this a satirical take on something that happened to women?
Lmao that’s kinda funny response though
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free, what with the strokes. But also, sauce?
Women’s birth control hasn’t exactly been side-effect-free,
I never said otherwise.
Okay.
