and the options are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, or water
And diet sugar
To be fair, the alcoholic menu us typically like this too. 95% of the menu is beer, wine, or vodka and some kind of syrup.
Afaik, the only other options besides what you listed for beverages anywhere is milk, coffee and tea. And depending where you get them, the coffee and tea may as well just be sugar (or aspartame) too.
I mean, I just annoyed that milk isn’t even an option in a lot of restaurants. It’s something so basic, like.
actually milk is slightly acidic
jk
Check the menu for items that require milk as an ingredient. You might be able to order a glass even if it isn’t on the menu.
Sorry, the milk is for the kids’ menu. You can’t order from that.
If the restaurant has a kids menu, it also has milk.
I like how the small fraction of adults that drink milk are downvoting you for actually giving helpful advice. Lol
To order for a kid? Or the sloppy steak?
^ This. Diet Coke/Pepsi if you’re LUCKY. Otherwise, water.
Do you people’s restaurants not serve iced tea?
In some states iced tea would also be full of sugar. And “hot tea” is a dry teabag next to a cup of warmish water.
As an iced tea enjoyer, who has been to almost 40 states that is absolutely untrue. I’ve never been to any restaurant that serves sweet tea but does not serve unsweetened as well. Some places especially in the north don’t consistently have either, but in my experience, if they have one they always have the other
There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.
be me: go to restaurant => ouch ouch why is everything overpriced =< lol kek its 1 am and im drunk rn but the alcohol in coctails is not worth nearly 14 bucks you bellend
What’s a milk drinker like you doing out here? Go home to your mother.
Sorry, my mom’s busy banging YO MAMMA!
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Wait
Worked in restaurants for decades and never had a place not have milk available. It’s used in lots of recipes and a lot of the places had Lil cartons for kids, also every drink was available “virgin” if you wanted a cocktail without booze, or we would have apple juice, orange juice, etc. I have never seen a restaurant that does not have a wide selection of non alcoholic drinks. Do you want them to list Arnold Palmers or are you asking for every type of non alcoholic seltzers or non alcoholic ciders or non alcoholic beers? Most restaurants have one or two but the non drunks don’t drink 6 non alcoholic beers so it’s just not worth the cost and room of keeping a large amount of non alcoholic pre made drinks. So stop complaining and have a water like a real man
Milk? Is this one of the McPoyles???
You don’t like water?
Best beverage ever. Personally I couldn’t live without it
Yeah and almost any other drink contains water, what an effin’ rip-off!
/s
That is why I only drink pure vegetable oil.
Adults: Look at these tiktok kids eating tide pods!
Also adults: Waiter please pour me a glass of your finest toxin!
Ah, but it’s a very old pool of toxin, cooked over rotten plant matter from a swamp and aged in an obsolete form of container, and it made them significantly poorer to order it! /s
I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.
Of course they do. They sell them equally expensive without the expensive ingredients!
At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.
Alcohol has been an essential facilitating element of human socialization in every human civilization since Mesopotamia
Which is cool
Human sacrifice was also pretty popular for a pretty long time, as was autocracy. Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all, but age isn’t a good argument on it’s own.
Also; factually inaccurate. I’m not sure how much evidence of alcohol there is in the New World civilisations, and Islam, which forbids it, has been around for a millennia and a half.
Alcohol isn’t that bad, obviously, if bad at all,
Depends on what you understand by “bad”. Regarding health, it certainly is.
Yep. It also causes a lot of social disorder and addiction. The argument for it is that people like it.
If it wasn’t clear from context, I meant socially or ethically.
Socially or ethically, I think I know what you mean.
I am being pedantic now and say that it can even be bad socially and ethically as a consequence of that or as a consequence of health concerns.
Which is cool
I disagree for health and a bunch of other reasons.
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Getting drunk and then talking to a bunch of people you don’t know is how people meet people. That’s an essential and long running aspect of human socialization.
If you regularly talk to new people and make friends in other ways then that’s fine. But clearly the majority of Lemmy/Reddit users aren’t doing that. And young people in general aren’t doing it either. Meeting strangers irl and chatting them up is how you make friends and alcohol facilitates that
There’s a loneliness epidemic and low alcohol consumption rates are a contributor to that
Are they? Sincere question, haven’t read a report or something like that on that topic.
Regarding the remaining part, I understand how you see that. Seems logical. However, I would claim that this is more of a problem in societies mindset itself and less one tied to alcohol consumption. If people are raised in a way that they learn how alcohol is necessary, and don’t learn other ways, if it’s even incorporated in the particular culture of a society, then it’s not surprising that those people have a hard time finding new friends.
There are plenty of counter examples, e.g., look at other cultures where alcohol is even forbidden or at least its consumption clearly discouraged. Even in western cultures there are plenty of people who found and prefer other ways. But sure, may of course not be the majority yet.Regarding a loneliless epidemic, I guess there is also a lot more to it than alcohol consumption alone. For example I have picked up on smartphone usage / social media consumption as related on that. (Which is a very superficial statement now, I haven’t read up on that.)
I really don’t understand this site’s/reddit’s fear of alcohol. Moderate drinking is not a problem. And it does assist with socializing, which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange. Just go to the bar and meet some people - it’s fun and it won’t hurt you. Alcoholism is obviously an issue, but alcoholism isn’t caused by moderate drinking. Just don’t be an idiot and you don’t have anything to worry about
Moderate drinking is not a problem.
From a health perspective, it certainly is.
No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health.And it does assist with socializing
Which is a cultural thing. If people grow up seeing how alcohol is a social catalysator, they don’t learn that it’s perfectly possible to socialize without alcohol.
which seems like it would be beneficial for most people on here.
Idk, if that comes from a well-meant place, but it sounds kinda condescending.
The idea that people here are afraid of/resistant to drinking, yet will use cannabis and other materials seems very strange.
There are not just two kinds of people. From my experience those, who use cannabis or other drugs, are inclined towards alcohol use as well.
Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.
Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.
Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?
If you can remove the alcohol from any “cocktail” and still have more than just flavored ice or a dirty glass, you were drinking slightly alcoholic mocktails the whole time.
Old Fashioned mocktail is a cherry on top of a large ice cube that you’ve used to bludgeon some sugar and an orange.
A Sazerac mocktail is akin to an empty glass someone just drink a sweet lemony drink from. You don’t get the lemony drink, just the dirty glass.
A margarita mocktail is salty lime flavored ice. This is basically a daquiri mocktail too, adding a strawberry seems popular.
A Manhattan mocktail is a sweetened cherry in an otherwise empty glass.
A mojito mocktail is a bit more substantial, minty sugar water with a hint of lime.
A mint julep mocktail, again just minty sugar water.
A white Russian mocktail is just a glass of cream over ice.
A mimosa mocktail is just a nearly empty glass of orange juice.
The non-alcoholic parts of a cocktail are rarely more than a quarter of the volume if they’re made properly. Most cocktails are a half oz of sugar water and a citrus flavor. The other 2/3 of the volume (not counting the ice) is alcohol. Just order a soda, soda water (with or without a garnish), tea, or my favorite a Topo Chico and lime.
One virgin martini please. Stirred.
handed cool glass with three olives in it
Thank you, kind sir!
Hey man, over half of that vodka is water anyway, so it’s all just a glass of water with some bitters.
First of all, a vodka martini isn’t a classic martini. That’s why you have to say “vodka” before martini if that’s what you’re ordering. A martini is made at any reputable establishment with gin. I’m sure you could say “rum martini” and any established bartender would raise an eyebrow but make your order.
That said, I order my martini the same way every time: pure Everclear stirred with a single ice cube. Wave a bottle of vermouth over the glass while looking in the direction of France.
One olive or three, never even numbers. I’m not a savage.
Then after I’ve vomited on the bar, they wheel me home on a dolly.
Edit: my actual standard order is Beefeater, extra dry, one olive. Keep it simple and classic.
Some this has to do with shelf life. Beverages containing alcohol have a long shelf life. A restaurant is not going to take losses on having 50 kinds of juice or whatever on hand. Another angle to this is that a lot of the drinks on the alcoholic menu are cocktails, so just combinations of other shit they have. Finally, what adult is just drinking milk? Have some water, it is good for you.
I just like having milk with every meal. I don’t like water and having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
Not judging you on your milk drinking, but drinking too much milk can have serious side effects. Humans weren’t biologically made to drink milk their whole lives.
They weren’t biologically made to drink alcohol or eat big macs their whole lives either yet here you are.
Yeah, this is a hella weird comment in an alcohol thread. That stuff is actually toxic, and popular mainly because of it.
Everyone knows alcohol is poison. Not many people know the side effects of drinking too much milk. You could actually become addicted to it and it would become a problem. I had a friend who had some trouble with it, which is why I typed that comment.
Source? Addictive milk is kind of “out of left field” for me.
I don’t know how true this is, but I pulled this quote:
Indeed, the results suggest that milk is more addictive than cigarettes.
What do you mean you dont like water? You mean that liquid that makes you die if you dont have any for a couple days?
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross.
No it doesn’t. Milk can stay cold for ages. Like I would have any meal gone within 10 minutes.
Milk is absolutely delightful with greasy foods. When are you supposed to drink it if not with meals?
Milk is disgusting with all foods, or by itself
Your taste buds are defective buddy
Nope. I don’t eat chalk either
With having IBD I’m pretty much limited to water or milk. I’m absolutely going to drink milk when I can because I get fed up drinking water multiple times a day every fucking day.
I guess, I primarily drink water. I’m not restricted in the same way, but I’m an innate fat fuck, so water is my drink of choice. I’m surprised milk wouldn’t inflame IBD.
The concept of being fed up with water is so alien to me. Water doesn’t have some powerful, delicious flavor but the sensation of drinking water is almost always one of satisfying refreshment.
How can you be irritated by water? “Damn it, this is only exactly what my body needs!”
This is my favorite thread, just everyone arguing over milk
This thread has been so weird for me because apparently something I’ve always done without ever giving any thought to is weird to people. I don’t give a fuck. It’s all in jest, anyways.
I find it pretty disgusting to even watch on TV or something (McPoyles), but I don’t sit around staring at people eating or drinking things that I find distasteful so I can judge them; in general I try to not judge people for having different tastes and tolerances than me.
We could definitely have a dinner and you can have a tall frothy glass of milk right from the cow’s udder with it. If you’re fun to talk to and aren’t mean, we good.
Almost 70% of the global population of adult humans are lactose intolerant. Whether you think drinking milk as an adult is weird or not, it isn’t something most human adults can easily do without digestive problems, and, because of that, it’s somewhat unusual to many people.
Edit: I definitely think of drinking milk as a white people thing. Similarly I think of men showering without using a washcloth as a white people thing. Neither are true of all white people, they’re just stereotypes I have, I guess.
It’s extremely regional though. Lactose intolerance is definitely the minority in the English-speaking world that would be on here.
English is the most spoken language in the world.
Demographically speaking, the highest percentage of lactose tolerant people are some variation of white, western or northern European. So in that sense, yes, it is a very narrowly defined segment of adults in terms of regional location and/or regional derivation for whom the majority of adults can comfortably drink a glass of milk.
Are you subtly trying to say you assume most people on Lemmy are white? Or rather that somehow speaking English contributes to the ability to create the lactase enzyme? Both seem like incorrect assumptions at best. Regardless, dismissing 70% of the planet because you just arbitrarily assume they aren’t on Lemmy is… weird.
Perhaps you just meant you assume the majority of people on Lemmy are American or European? In which case you’re still looking at 40% of adults that can’t easily digest milk. That’s just the people physically predisposed to find it disgusting. There is surely also some amount of people that are lactose tolerant that also think adults drinking a glass of milk is weird.
It’s pretty clear just by reading this thread that there pretty mixed opinions about the idea of an adult drinking a glass of milk. Some find it viscerally disgusting and others find it completely normal.
Yeah, I’m assuming most people are American or European. I think 40% is a high estimate, but even among the lactose intolerant people I know in real life, I’ve never met one who thinks drinking milk is weird. Most even consume dairy products, just lactose-free versions or enduring the consequences.
I’m sure you “think” a lot of things. Unless you hang out exclusively with white people, there are a lot of people that think drinking a glass of milk is weird. They just don’t tell you, because they’re polite.
If you’re in the United States, perhaps you’ve heard of the show It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. The show characterizes the McPoyles as particularly weird people. One of the ways they create that characterization? Them guzzling milk.
Dairy “products” are a different concern. Most people produce some level of lactase, but a glass of cow’s milk is a separate thing.
Aged cheese, for instance, is a different thing. Why would aging cheese add distinct flavors? Because bacteria is digesting the sugars (lact-OSE) and converting it into other things.
I love cabot cheddar myself for cheap stuff. If you want to know the lactose content of cheese or other dairy products, if there are no added sugars, just check the sugar content. That’s lactose. If it says zero, it’s near zero.
I’ve never met an adult in my life, of any color, that orders a glass of milk and drinks it. I’m sure it happens, but I guess just not in the circles I run in.
You’d have to actually be around people regularly to see that it’s unusual. If you’re just in your own house or with the same people every time you go out, then no one is going to mention it.
Honestly, it’s unusual. I make a high salary and part of my job requires regularly socializing with new people–clients, investors, new friends, etc.
I’ve never seen a grown adult order a glass of milk and drink it. I wouldn’t judge someone for doing it, but I would criticize their perspective if they thought that was normal, and I would try to figure out the context they’re from where that’s normal behavior, purely out of curiosity. If they’re already in a social environment with me, there’s already some social capital committed, so I’m interested to know more about why someone would think that’s normal behavior.
“Internet guy that likes Halo” does not qualify, so, while I think you’re being obtuse, I don’t care enough about you to continue this conversation.
Your reply is kinda snotty in reading
Oh no.
Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant - are you 5?
Restaurants menus lacking milk as a drinking option is definitely a positive for me - I do not wish to dine alongside whatever freak chooses to drink milk with their meal.
😟 it’s only a drink.
Cow boob juice is for baby cows. Human boob juice is for baby humans. Adults of any species should have developed past ingesting boob juice in childhood.
Come on dude. Don’t tell me you’ve never drunk milk as an adult. Be honest lmfao
I’ve never drank milk as an adult, and I honestly don’t know if I can think of anyone I’ve ever known that has ordered milk alone (not in coffee or something) as an adult and drank it. I’m not white though, so idk. But a lot of my friends and coworkers are, and I’ve never seen it.
Why judge people over their choice of beverage?
Why can’t we all drink (or eat or be…) whatever we please without derogatory comments being made? What kind of a low is that?
Seriously.
I’m gonna recognize that what I said came across way way more harsh than was intended, this was meant to be playful, as are my responses below - I seem to be learning that my tone and how I speak do not always translate well to being written - for this, I apologize. I do need to work on monitoring my snark levels.
I’d like to state - that you are more than welcome to drink or do what you want. I was attempting to razz op - not berate op… even though milk is straight up disgusting and I gag when people drink it by itself and I cannot understand why anyone would make that choice - it is their choice.
This is a me problem - not a them problem.
Have fun enjoying your gross animal juice everyone. I’ll just sit over here with my water.
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Criticizing alcohol consumption = you sleep
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Criticizing milk consumption = real shit
Also, let people dislike things. If Criticism diminishes your own enjoyment of a thing then you don’t actually like that thing
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And the alcohol lists never have prices which is a clear indication that they know they are asking too much money.
