alt text: A “xit” from user @ChrpngBrd in which he responds to another “xit” from @BlueBoxDave that says “If Israel falls then America falls. It’s that simple.” @ChrpngBrd’s response is a thumbs up emoji, and two stills from The Simpsons S02E19 “Lisa’s Substitute.” In which, the first image is Martin Prince putting up a poster saying “A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!” and the second image is Bart Simpson putting up a poster that says “A vote for Bart is a vote for Anarchy!”
Deranged logic, Israel is not a strategic keystone to the survival of America.
Like, even if one has drunk the Flavoraid enough to think that what Israel is doing is ok and that it’s not an apartheid state that needs the South Africa treatment; in what fucking reality is Israel not eminently replaceable in the role it plays in US foreign policy? if anything, it is a net negative, a dead weight dragging down US relations with the rest of the region.
It routinely takes unilateral action to throw gas on the metaphorical fires of the region. Like, allies have their own goals and ambitions that diverge sometimes, but you’d expect them to converge occasionally and not actively attempt kneecap each others diplomacy.
You’re thinking of real-world geopolitics. These people tend to me more along the lines of “God only blesses the US because we’re helping to bring about the prerequisite conditions for the apocalypse”.
Religious fundamentalists are the greatest threat to modern civilization
Quite possibly to civilization itself, full stop. Placing fiction before fact is not a sane way to run, well, anything.
I appreciate that you used the correct brand of drink mix rather than continuing the Kool-aid slander.
And they only used that because it was cheaper. The entire massacre was carried out with a total of about $16 worth of ingredients.
Israel isn’t even America’s most important playmate in the middle east.
Israel isn’t even in danger of falling.
Bibi’s government is though, thank God.
Israel isn’t easily replaceable in US foreign policy for the Middle East. I.e. the US uses Israel as a base of operations in the area. But the US definitely doesn’t need Israel for it’s survival or even to exert influence on the Middle East: it just makes it easier.
The US didn’t have a base in Israel till 2017, it’s never really been a significant base of operation for US forces. Us forces have more presence in basically every country in the region with the exception of Yemen, Egypt and Iran. Hell, there’s even a base Syria.
And there’s a nato member a little bit north of Israel.
Frankly I’m not sure NATO can rely on Turkey.
NATO can always rely on Turkey because Russia will always want the black sea to itself. That’s been true from the Tsar, to the USSR and now to the federation. It’ll never change.
Turkey just plays a strange game with powers it has proxy fights with, like Russia and Iran.
Yeah that probably true
With declining importance of oil, the US has less reason to give a shit about the Middle East. We’re a ways off from that point, but it’s coming.
If you think the Middle East is fucked up now, just wait until there’s a power vacuum from nobody caring about oil anymore.
I think we’re good.
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