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    That’s always a risk in parachute operations.

    It’d be real cool if Israel stopped blocking aid by land so this wouldn’t even be a problem. Or if they stopped the genocide entirely.

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        Are you saying it’s okay for israel to use starvation of women and children as a weapon of war?

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          I support Israel almost to a fault. At this point, they need to make sure everyone is fed. This has went on way to long for the size of Gaza.

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            You’re beyond fault at this point, my friend. You’ve gone straight into supporting genocide territory! Major fault x 10000. Turn in your humanity card because you’re no longer acting with any.

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              You must have missed what I said.

              I clearly said it’s gone on to long and the people need to be fed.

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                But you said you support Israel to a fault. And at this point, what Israel has been doing for a really long time is starving and murdering Palestinian people. So it can’t be both. You can’t both support the oppressive genocide state and not support them. Because their actions right now are exactly what you say you wish weren’t happening. That’s nowhere near good enough. Because…we’re talking about fuckin genocide. Continuing to support the Israeli state is supporting exactly what you are saying has gone on too long.

                “I support Germany, but I think this whole concentration camp thing has gone on too long.”

                Do you see how ridiculous that is?

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                  lt. And at this point, what Israel has been doing for a really long time is starving and murdering Palestinian people

                  They have been dismantling Hamas which I fully support.

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            A good way to make sure everyone was fed would be not oppressing them for decades. For example, attacking fishing vessels, and blockading them entirely since 2007.

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              The blockade started because they voted in a group that wanted to genocide all the Jews. Maybe if they would stop trying to kill Jews, things may change.

              Sounds like you are victim blaming.

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                It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. That’s a lie, and also intentionally ignores the 2017 Revised charter. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version too. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things. Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.

                The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005. What do you think of the ethnic cleansing campaign of 1947?

                History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

                Gaza Blockade is still Occupation

                Dahiya Doctrine

                Gaza March for Return Protest

                AWRAD Gaza War Poll

                PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023

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                Oh, then why is the West Bank also blockaded? That’s not governed by a ‘group that wants to genocide Jews’. You zios logic is full of holes trying to justify your fascist shit hole committing actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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        If they do, will Israel withdraw from Palestine, rebuild what they’ve destroyed, and stop oppressing Palestinians?

        They will not. So why would Hamas surrender?

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    Fucking horrible. Hopefully more care will be taken for the chutes but honestly those things are looked after pretty carefully and closely to begin with. This is just awful. Blame lies 100% with Israel. If they weren’t war criming it up around here and blocking all other paths of aid to the Gazan citizens then this shit wouldn’t have happened. A truck doesn’t fall on someones head randomly and that package was only dropped because BiBi is Goebbels 2.0. Frothing at the mouth with hatred, bile and bigotry in an attempt to wipe peoples off of the face of the planet in some idiotic bid for purity of the homeland.

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      Israel certainly shares the lionshare of the blame. But had Hamas not launched the attack on Israel, where they too killed women and children, this wouldn’t be happening. So you have to give them some of the blame in this shit show too.

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        Only a racist sociopath would kill the perp’s familiy, friends and neighbours as reprisal and these guys have openly admitted it’s reprisals.

        The kind of talk they use, like blaming Palestinians as a whole for Hamas’ actions, calling Palestinians (not Hamas, Palestinians) violent and even calling them “human animals” just further confirms the racist sociopathy of the Israeli leadership and those whom support them.

        It’s not by chance that people are now calling them Nazis: it’s the same cold calous murdering along etnic lines and even the same style of dehumanizing discourse and excuses as the Nazis.

        All this was already going on as a slow burn before Hamas’ attack, one act of settler/army violent theft and murder at a time, low key enough that outsiders couldn’t quite tell it for what it was (good old Lebensraum), but now it’s a full fire, visible to all.

        They’ve always been Nazis, but now they’re going for making their very own Holocaust.

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        too killed women and children

        Frequently this shit is said I always wonder, are women equivalent to children, is it okay to kill men, or both?

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          Historically I think it’s because women were almost universally noncombatants, but Israel has compulsory service for everyone. It seems like an anachronistic distinction.

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        No I don’t. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because someone did something horrible doesn’t mean someone else gets to do something horrible.

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          Which is why they still have the lions share of the blame. It doesn’t give them justification, but to claim Hamas is blameless in this whole thing is almost equally as stupid as the people claiming that Israel has the right to do what they are doing.

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            Ah okay, I see why you may have thought that I was saying Hamas was blameless but you have misunderstood. I am not talking the start of the conflict. I am talking the aid. The only reason that this happened was because Israel was blocking other alternatives to give aid to the people in Gaza. This means that the blame lies 100% with Israel.

            My point about one horrible thing doesn’t equal another horrible thing is backing that point up. Israel doesn’t get to deprive innocent civilians of aid just because something bad happened to them. This is what you are arguing and I find it morally disgusting.

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              but you have misunderstood.

              I was responding to someone who was talking about killing the perp and their families in response to a crime. They didn’t even mention aid once. You did not clarify that you were specifically talking about aid. Hell, you didn’t even mention aid in your post. You need to learn to take responsibility when a misunderstanding is your fault, not blame the other person.

              But, yes, I agree, they don’t get to deny aid. But the whole thing is a clusterfuck with plenty of blame to go around. Hamas could stop using civilians as human shields, and they would probably allow aid in. Even in that regard, Hamas shares some of the blame.

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                You did not clarify that you were specifically talking about aid.

                I didn’t need to. This was a post about an aid package that was dropped on someone, not about the war in general. It is not on me to clarify that I am talking about the thing that I am directly responding/commenting on. It is on you to be able to make an extremely simple logical leap that I am talking about the thing I am responding to.

                You need to learn to take responsibility when a misunderstanding is your fault, not blame the other person.

                Pot? Meet kettle.

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                  I didn’t need to.

                  lol. Okay, whatever. Clearly not interested in honesty. Have a good day.

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      You don’t think America has any share of the blame for enabling this genocide?

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        The US is not blameless for what is going on.

        However, ultimately Israel is the country that is carrying this out, if people like Netanyahu and his cohorts weren’t pushing for this, it wouldn’t matter how much money, weapons, and other support the US gave them, this wouldn’t be happening.

        If the US pulled all support, Israel could and almost definitely would press on with it, probably not as efficiently as they are currently, but still the war would continue. Maybe the US pulling support would lead to a quicker end, maybe it would just drag things out, maybe it would lead to extreme escalation with a desperate Israel choosing to use their nuclear weapons either against Hamas or against other Middle Eastern nations that choose to get involved without the US acting as a deterrent.

        The US helped create the circumstances that allowed this to happen, but the fact that it is actually happening is on Israel.

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          If the US pulled all support, Israel could and almost definitely would press on with it, probably not as efficiently as they are currently, but still the war would continue. Maybe the US pulling support would lead to a quicker end, maybe it would just drag things out, maybe it would lead to extreme escalation with a desperate Israel choosing to use their nuclear weapons either against Hamas or against other Middle Eastern nations that choose to get involved without the US acting as a deterrent.

          Yeah just like the previous three times the US threatened to pull support and israel instantly stopped doing war crimes…

          People are still under the impression that the army that got completely owned by dudes with water pipe rockets can support a full war without American support? Especially with Hezbollah in the north…

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          The US is not blameless for what is going on.

          Exactly what I said.

          The US helped create the circumstances that allowed this to happen

          Yep.

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            For a while, there was a meme on Reddit that went “This is bullshit - you’re oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion.”

            It was somebody’s answer to an askreddit post asking “If you could only post the same one sentence to everything you wanted to reply to on reddit, what would your sentence be?”

            People like you are the reason that answer resonated with enough people to become a meme.

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              Do you know that Biden structured (very illegal) the arms deals so that they were less than the congressional oversight minimum so that he could go behind congress’ back? He wanted to give those weapons to Israel so bad that he broke the law. He doesn’t give a fuck about the genocide. At least not until he realized it would cost him some votes.

              People like you are the reason evil gets a pass because it’s not as bad as super evil.

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        And who decides what’s allowed?

        a) An independent international oversight institution?

        b) The very same guys currently blowing up Palestinian little children with 2000lb bombs?

        Oh, look, it’s Option b, and your “argument” is one for the Hall Of Fame Of Hypocrisy & Genocide Excusing.

        Congratulations, your Genocide Apologist Certificate is on the mail.

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        “No, you can’t bring in those medical supplies, you could stab someone with that needle or strangle them with that bandage! Are you crazy - that canned food could be used as a projectile or broken open to make a shiv! What do you mean you want to bring in blankets, they could be used to hide someone!”

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        Israel could surrender to Hamas. But I’m sure you have some reservations about that outcome. Strange how you wouldn’t consider palastinians reservations to that as equal. Or maybe you don’t need to operate on the concept of unconditional surrender just to justify your dick wagging

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          are you actually serious? israelis surrendering to hamas eventhough hamas attacked first?

          this website is cooked

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            Yes, Hamas attacked first on October 7th, and before that it was all sunshine and daisies and everyone held hands and sang and Israel definitely hasn’t been conquering Palestine since 1948.

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              Israelis can just go back to the lands they were originally driven from, right?…

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                Which we can keep tracing back to ceasefires that keep being broken by israel such as the Al Aqsa raid.

                Point is that the notion that this somehow started on oct7 while israel was bombing Gaza just two weeks before is ridiculous. There was no ceasefire at the moment of the attack.

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                  My understanding is that Hamas has also repeatedly broken ceasefires. It doesn’t seem like the ceasefire agreements are as effective as they should be.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Witnesses said the accident happened on Friday morning near the coastal refugee camp known as al-Shati, one of the most devastated parts of Gaza, after a parachute attached to the pallet failed to deploy properly and the parcel fell on a group of men, teenagers and younger children hoping to obtain food and other supplies.

    Several hundred thousand people are facing famine in northern Gaza, where they live among the ruins of their homes, without sewage, electricity or any other basic services.

    The US and Jordan are among the countries to have carried out airdrops in northern Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of people are facing dire conditions after more than five months of war.

    As the only entry points to Gaza allowed by Israel are in the south of the territory, any convoys have to traverse up to 25 miles (40km) of smashed roads strewn with rubble, with a continual threat of looting.

    On Thursday, Josep Borrell, the European Union’s top diplomat, said that all those concerned about the situation in Gaza should put pressure on the Israeli government to “grant unimpeded humanitarian land access” and not block convoys.

    The UN has also said airdrops or a proposed maritime aid corridor could not be a substitute for land deliveries, urging more trucks to be permitted to reach Gaza through more border crossings.


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