I had time to think for a bit. Please be advised that I’m not an American citizen and the following is purely conjecture.
Basically, I believe the US is FUBAR. There are 4 possible scenarios for the 5th of November:
Trump gets so demented it’s getting impossible to get him propped up, he has to concede somewhere around that time
Trump finally gets thrown in jail, before election day
Biden wins - right now it looks like it would be a close call
Trump wins
The article mentions, as many have before, that the “conservative” way of “thinking” has become purely emotional. So what do you think will happen if either of the three first will come true? Someone will seize the day and shout some bullshit conspiracy or another and now 20-30% of your emotionally driven population will get set to “angry” and “revenge”.
If he simply wins: Mission accomplished!
Now that I’ve thought a bit more, even (maybe especially?) if Biden wins in a landslide, the conspiracy spin could even be made stronger. Yikes. It might be the time of troubles on a very large scale and I reaaaaaaaaaly hope I’m totally wrong with all this!
Trump has never been his own candidate: there are bigger powers behind him that need a demagogue to get into the office because everything they stand for is SO immensely repulsive. I’m talking about the ones Leonard Leo has been working for over the last forty years.
And Trump’s advancing dementia is not new. His staff have been making adaptive movements around him for quite some time that are familiar to those of us who have ever lived with or cared for an aging parent or other person with dementia. Also, looking at dementia in a stranger or a public figure is exactly equivalent to looking at an iceberg: we are only seeing the tiniest bit of it. What’s happening in all the hours and days we don’t see is already far worse than what little we have seen.
And it doesn’t get better, either: dementia is a series of plateaus, where there’s a slip and the new normal holds for a while, but never attains the level of previous competency.
So what is FAR more likely, unfortunately, is that his handlers will take over and continue to trot him out to prove he’s still alive, but he will speak for himself less and less. The media/propaganda outlets that are pushing so hard for his presidency today will continue pushing just as hard, as though he himself were still running, but he’s just the public face at that point. They want Trump for president no matter what his condition is, because he was always just their ticket to ride.
This strategy is not new; it’s historically what people who want to get and keep power do with the incompetent leader they find themselves saddled with, like Kim Jong Il or even Stalin in his last year or so. Even Ronald Reagan to some degree, depending on who you believe in regard to the progression of his Alzheimer’s disease.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again: watch the VP spot very carefully, because it will NOT be filled with anyone of Trump’s choosing. It will be filled by the person the people running Trump as a candidate want to be President. And if “Trump” wins the presidency, even though people with dementia can live another dozen years from this moderate point, Trump won’t. The VP will be president within three months, IMO, depending on the stability of the national situation, because they will only keep him alive as long as they need to in order to cement their own hold on the presidential office.
But the saddest (most laughable? I dunno anymore) part of all of this is that the people who vote Trump from this point forward are not actually voting for Trump, because he no longer exists as they knew him. That’s just the nature of dementia. Rather, they are voting for the people running him. In other words, they are voting for EVERYTHING THEY DESPISE and expected Trump to rescue them from, their protest vote going toward exactly what they desperately want to protest.
Yes, it’s The Manchurian Candidate with a twist. Unfortunately, it’s all too real a scenario.
Jesus, yeah, apologies man. It’s just what I’ve been thinking for a while but now that I read it back in my own words it’s like oh shit. It really is worst case. I’m hoping one of his steaks or hamberders does him in, personally.
I think all of what you said, except maybe add a side of martyrdom on top of it. I’ve been saying since the last election, it’s not Trump himself they need, he’s only the figurehead to stir shit up. Get rid of him when he’s outlived his usefulness and do it in a way that sets up someone who’s liberal, brown, trans, gay, illegally in the country, or your choice of combination, and his followers will happily start a war and fight to the death to “avenge” him. Allow chaos to reign for awhile, then come in heavy handed to re-establish order and there go the rest of our freedoms “for the good and safety of everyone until things settle down”.
Yes, precisely. That’s the part I don’t think anyone can foretell with any certainty: the amount of civil unrest, the exact measures (including martial law, media suppression, and suspension of the constitution) that will be taken to ensure the new regime is not significantly challenged, how much of a manufactured conspiracy will serve the new regime at that time, and/or how long any of that will last. But I think you’re 100% correct about the scenario itself, and that he will only remain alive for as long as the puppet is needed. Well said.
There’s a very good chance Trump’s trial doesn’t conclude until after voting day. At which point we may face the situation of having a President-Elect that is convicted of Insurrection.
We really should have just let the states ban the guy.
I had time to think for a bit. Please be advised that I’m not an American citizen and the following is purely conjecture.
Basically, I believe the US is FUBAR. There are 4 possible scenarios for the 5th of November:
The article mentions, as many have before, that the “conservative” way of “thinking” has become purely emotional. So what do you think will happen if either of the three first will come true? Someone will seize the day and shout some bullshit conspiracy or another and now 20-30% of your emotionally driven population will get set to “angry” and “revenge”.
If he simply wins: Mission accomplished!
Now that I’ve thought a bit more, even (maybe especially?) if Biden wins in a landslide, the conspiracy spin could even be made stronger. Yikes. It might be the time of troubles on a very large scale and I reaaaaaaaaaly hope I’m totally wrong with all this!
Trump has never been his own candidate: there are bigger powers behind him that need a demagogue to get into the office because everything they stand for is SO immensely repulsive. I’m talking about the ones Leonard Leo has been working for over the last forty years.
And Trump’s advancing dementia is not new. His staff have been making adaptive movements around him for quite some time that are familiar to those of us who have ever lived with or cared for an aging parent or other person with dementia. Also, looking at dementia in a stranger or a public figure is exactly equivalent to looking at an iceberg: we are only seeing the tiniest bit of it. What’s happening in all the hours and days we don’t see is already far worse than what little we have seen.
And it doesn’t get better, either: dementia is a series of plateaus, where there’s a slip and the new normal holds for a while, but never attains the level of previous competency.
So what is FAR more likely, unfortunately, is that his handlers will take over and continue to trot him out to prove he’s still alive, but he will speak for himself less and less. The media/propaganda outlets that are pushing so hard for his presidency today will continue pushing just as hard, as though he himself were still running, but he’s just the public face at that point. They want Trump for president no matter what his condition is, because he was always just their ticket to ride.
This strategy is not new; it’s historically what people who want to get and keep power do with the incompetent leader they find themselves saddled with, like Kim Jong Il or even Stalin in his last year or so. Even Ronald Reagan to some degree, depending on who you believe in regard to the progression of his Alzheimer’s disease.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again: watch the VP spot very carefully, because it will NOT be filled with anyone of Trump’s choosing. It will be filled by the person the people running Trump as a candidate want to be President. And if “Trump” wins the presidency, even though people with dementia can live another dozen years from this moderate point, Trump won’t. The VP will be president within three months, IMO, depending on the stability of the national situation, because they will only keep him alive as long as they need to in order to cement their own hold on the presidential office.
But the saddest (most laughable? I dunno anymore) part of all of this is that the people who vote Trump from this point forward are not actually voting for Trump, because he no longer exists as they knew him. That’s just the nature of dementia. Rather, they are voting for the people running him. In other words, they are voting for EVERYTHING THEY DESPISE and expected Trump to rescue them from, their protest vote going toward exactly what they desperately want to protest.
Yes, it’s The Manchurian Candidate with a twist. Unfortunately, it’s all too real a scenario.
It’s a sad fucking world these days.
Guess I don’t need any sleep tonight…
Jesus, yeah, apologies man. It’s just what I’ve been thinking for a while but now that I read it back in my own words it’s like oh shit. It really is worst case. I’m hoping one of his steaks or hamberders does him in, personally.
I think all of what you said, except maybe add a side of martyrdom on top of it. I’ve been saying since the last election, it’s not Trump himself they need, he’s only the figurehead to stir shit up. Get rid of him when he’s outlived his usefulness and do it in a way that sets up someone who’s liberal, brown, trans, gay, illegally in the country, or your choice of combination, and his followers will happily start a war and fight to the death to “avenge” him. Allow chaos to reign for awhile, then come in heavy handed to re-establish order and there go the rest of our freedoms “for the good and safety of everyone until things settle down”.
Yes, precisely. That’s the part I don’t think anyone can foretell with any certainty: the amount of civil unrest, the exact measures (including martial law, media suppression, and suspension of the constitution) that will be taken to ensure the new regime is not significantly challenged, how much of a manufactured conspiracy will serve the new regime at that time, and/or how long any of that will last. But I think you’re 100% correct about the scenario itself, and that he will only remain alive for as long as the puppet is needed. Well said.
There’s a very good chance Trump’s trial doesn’t conclude until after voting day. At which point we may face the situation of having a President-Elect that is convicted of Insurrection.
We really should have just let the states ban the guy.
I don’t forsee the second happening. Short of literal murder the rich dont end up in jail, and if they do its brief. Murica…
Edit “rich” but you know what I mean.