• titotal@awful.systemsOP
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    10 months ago

    For people who don’t want to go to twitter, heres the thread:

    Doomers: “YoU cAnNoT dErIvE wHaT oUgHt fRoM iS” 😵‍💫

    Reality: you literally can derive what ought to be (what is probable) from the out-of-equilibrium thermodynamical equations, and it simply depends on the free energy dissipated by the trajectory of the system over time.

    While I am purposefully misconstruing the two definitions here, there is an argument to be made by this very principle that the post-selection effect on culture yields a convergence of the two

    How do you define what is “ought”? Based on a system of values. How do you determine your values? Based on cultural priors. How do those cultural priors get distilled from experience? Through a memetic adaptive process where there is a selective pressure on the space of cultures.

    Ultimately, the value systems that survive will be the ones that are aligned towards growth of its ideological hosts, i.e. according to memetic fitness.

    Memetic fitness is a byproduct of thermodynamic dissipative adaptation, similar to genetic evolution.

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      10 months ago

      Oh god what is most infuriating about this is that he’s not necessarily wrong (moral realism👍), he’s just getting to it in the most shitheaded way possible with what I have to assume to be the worst possible intentions.

  • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
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    10 months ago

    so if i’m reading this right, he’s basically saying that bestest social values exist in societies that change least with time, or in other words he’s saying that the only moral position is to be reactionary

    i don’t know if it counts as mask off because mask wasn’t ever really there