• LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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    Quests:

    • You have scurvy. Find a citrus. (Spoiler, there are no citrus on the whole map.)

    • Watch these sheep for 12 hours. And again tomorrow. And the next day. And the next. Until you die.

    • A minstrel is in town. Watch for a minute on your way to watch your sheep.

    • Your wife has died of the plague. Bury her, then go watch your sheep.

    • Don’t shag your sheep. (Difficulty: impossible)

    • You have the plague. Lie down in bed until you die.

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    I know this is a ttrpg community rather than a video game community, but I’d like to chime in and say this is something I really liked about Kingdom Come: Deliverance.

    You start off illiterate, but there’s a quest to learn to read and afterwards, reading more books and such will improve your reading skills. Starting off, anything you read is literal gibberish, but then it becomes semi-coherent text with typos, and as you progress, it just gets clearer.

    I could see this being something you could also incorporate in a ttrpg to add an extra challenge to your players.

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    The noble and cleric can’t read? Classes that effectively have to read in 5e and similar systems:

    Bard: plays, music, stories Cleric: holy texts Monk: holy texts if they are the monastery type of monks Paladin: if trained w/clerics or in a temple. not if they are wild-sprouted paladins. Rogue: thieves’ cant, smugglers for manifests, forgery. really just the average cutpurse and enforcer wouldn’t need to Wizard: a nerd’s nerd

    Artificer: inventor’s notes.

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      Many musicians have famously come from poor illiterate backgrounds, being able to play a tune, sing, or recite a story doesn’t require reading skills. It requires good memory to recall what youve heard or creativity to make up something new. So i an totally get behind a bard that cant read.

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        Bards aren’t just the run of the mill musicians. They are so much more than that.

        And most of that “so much more” requires extensive training. Which requires some form of reading.

        Bards are historians and have some magic of their own.

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        A “bard” isn’t just any musician. They’re a highly educated experienced user of language. Telling stories, composing poems & songs, and being in the employ of a noble to do so. In popular culture there’s also often the implication that they use these skills and that access to be involved in espionage in some way.

        I think Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time series does an especially good job of this. It has gleemen, which are reasonably well-trained in music, storytelling, and other performing arts. Gleemen travel around from town to town making their living playing at taverns and the like. Then a step up from gleemen it has bards, which are more well trained and who perform explicitly for nobles. In either case you can expect a great level of artistic skill, but I’d be shocked to hear of an illiterate bard, but maybe only mildly surprised to hear about an illiterate gleeman.

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          The Iliad was transferred entirely orally for centuries, and was the elite high status performance.

          It’s entirely possible for very very complicated musical traditions to be communicated without writing, and pretty common.

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          Education isn’t dependent on literacy. Aristotle famously decried that (paraphrasing) “kids these days don’t know anything anymore because they just write it down and don’t actually memorize it”

          Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time is a work of fantasy written in the last 50 years, not an accurate account of historical humanity.

          In real life, bards were specifically Celtic minstrels who maintained an oral history for the pre-Christian Celtic people, who notably didn’t write down their history. They used meter, rhyme, and song structure to help them commit the words to memory.

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    Sources on literacy in Medieval Europe seem to be all over the place, reaching from the popular “Almost nobody could even sign their name” to “There was at least one person in most households who could read and write”. Here’s a discussion on Stackexchange that lists some sources.

    The sad truth is, we may never know how literate people actually were. We can be relatively sure that especially poor people didn’t have any formal education and couldn’t afford expensive handwritten books. But that doesn’t necessarily mean people couldn’t read and write at all. A basic level of literacy was useful for a lot of people, especially craftsmen and traders. Not so much that they’d read and write whole books but enough for basic bookkeeping or passing notes to someone who lives in a neighboring village. The thing is, those are not the kind of things that would be preserved until today. Paper and parchment were too expensive for such trivialities but we have evidence from Russia that people wrote everyday correspondence on birch bark. With no need to store these writings, most people would have probably just reused whatever they were written on to light fires or just thrown them outside where they would decompose within a few weeks.

    (this kind of ties into a fun fact about why so few authentic chainmail shirts have survived until today. Not because they got destroyed by rust but because after they lost their usefulness in early modern times, they were cut up and reused to scrub pots)

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        Cave walls all the way. Can’t risk someone accidentally break or throw away what you’ve written.

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      I wonder if those are truly mutually exclusive?

      If a family unity could consist of up to 5 or 6, potentially more if it was a multi-generational home, and “at least one person per home” could read, that could be quite a low percentage point.

      I guess it depends on what is meant by “almost nobody could read”, since that isn’t an exact figure. Does it mean 1%? 5%? 10%?

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    Fun fact: People could commonly read in the Middle Ages.

    There is wide spread belief that medieval Europeans couldn’t read and write, but most peasants could read and write in their VERNACULAR languages. The idea that only 10% of the population could read and write comes from that fact that only 10% of the population could read LATIN, which is the only reading that they thought mattered.

    They weren’t wrong to think this too. Latin was one of the only standardized languages due to its use by the church. Vernacular languages varied very widely from place to place, such that it was very common that two peasants from neighboring towns or regions would not be able to understand each other, even if they could read and write some form of “German”.

    Most peasant would then be able to read and write their own notes and records, but probably wouldn’t be able to sent letters to next town or read any books.