This is so strange. How can people have so little empathy for the lives of innocent people?
Israeli citizens are subjected to daily propaganda (e.g. “there are no civilians in Gaza”, “Hamas is ISIS”, “Hamas wants to murder all jews”, etc.) to legitimize their fascistic policies.
There are a lot of parallels to the US short/y after 9/11.
You just need to convince people that the “innocent people” are not people
They convince themselves.
I don’t think the Israeli consented to being brainwashed by Hasbara.
Fascism
Religion
It’s part of Israel’s propaganda to make this about religion to invoke irrational “War on Terror” sentiments in people who haven’t looked into it that deeply.
In reality, they’re dehumanizing and targeting all Palestinian Arabs, including Christians. Hence the shooting up and bombing of churches along with everything else.
Some of them are Kahanists but I don’t think religion figures into their motives as a wider group except for scapegoating purposes.
Well to quote the Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
They think Palestinians are subhuman. Israel has become the evil it once fled.
75 years of being attacked leads to some fucked up thinking. Most Israelis, like most Palestinians know people who have been victims of violence repeatedly. Their mindsets aren’t the same as those in the West with the safety and security provided by border stability. Which is why it’s so interesting seeing the Western ideals being pushed on this conflict. Those ravers should be jailed though, they’re contradicting the ICJ order. Whether it’s the Israeli government or not, the order was to enable the provision of aid and that means clearing obstacles.
There’s no brainwashing needed to be able to read a history book at every turn. It’s been the Arabs who have attacked and the Israelis who have defended.
And just like we saw in October Palestinians struck out and now they’re crying because they’re losing yet another war they start. It’s an age-old tactic for Arabs to use human suffering in order to garner sympathy from the West, and it works for good reason. Nothing has changed since it was pointed out that peace will not come until Arabs love their children as much as they hate Jews and nothing will change until they stop raising martyrs and start deradicalizing their people. Defunding UNRWA is a good first step.
LoL!
Ok, do You Kno how the state of Israel was founded ?!
You mean when King David granted lands to the tribes?
Or more recently when the British mandate was lifted, and Jordan and Israel were granted nation status by the UN? Do you know how India and Pakistan was founded?
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The amount of propaganda in this post is hilarious. It was Jewish land the entire time baby. Always will be now too. Cry harder.
Wow, the other guy already addressed the history books part but I wanted to stop for a second and focus on
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Wonder how people would take it if we were addressing the other party in this conflict, and someone like you would throw in a gross generalisation, pointing out that it goes back a long time.
LoL, like gross generalizing hasn’t warped the word Zionist into the updated version of dirty Jew.
The history remains the same, the surrounding Arab Nations have been attacking Israel since it’s inception. they refuse to acknowledge Israel and they continue to feed bodies into martyrdom in the name of their goal of a pan arabian caliphate. The wild thing is they don’t even deny it, but the West refuses to accept their own words.
I can give multiple examples of group members who disagree with elements of their group so substantively, they split off and form new groups. Schisms are normal reactions to outside/inside actors co-opting or directing a group, Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, Protestants and Catholics, America and the Commonwealth…
If you’re upset that something is being done by a group you’re a part of, who openly declares to be working towards a goal that is unpopular outside the group, leave the group. There are plenty of Jews and Jewish groups that reject revisionist Zionism and/or Kahanism, the notion of Jewishness is not owned by a political party nor ideology. Claiming that criticism of the movement is a dog whistle, becomes unconvincing and is disingenuous to the reader
So its okay for you to do it? Must be confusing to be you mate. I won’t even touch the second part, someone posted a few links before, since you keep mentioning ‘history’ it might be time to start reading about it instead if just making things up
Most of those links supported the position that Arabs are the aggressors FFS. Did you even read them?
I’m very familiar with the history of this region, and I’m very positive that it was not the Israelis who started the wars they’ve suffered from.
It’s actually perfectly fine for Israel to defend itself, that much was made clear in the ICJ ruling. What the ruling didn’t establish though is that there’s a genocide happening.
What history books are you reading?
Antisemitism in Islam and Arab World
British Mandate Period:
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928
1929 Riots from Forward and 972Mag
Peel Commission Report and Memorandum of the Arab Higher Committee 1937
1936-1939 Revolt from JVL, Britannica, MEE
What Hitler and the Grand Mufti Really Said: Time, Haaretz, WaPo
Yosef Weitz’ unofficial Transfer Committee and the JNF. Which has dispossessed Palestinians to present day. 972mag, MEE, Haaretz
1948 to 1967:
Plan Dalet and Declassified Massacres
Additional context of what was detailed in Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)
Arab League advocating for unified state 1948
1967 war Declassified
Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967
How the US became the ally of Israel
Occupation:
Occupation and 50 years of dispossession
Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ
Arab Israelis are not equal including Education (2001 report)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel and Military Court
Child abuse of Palestinian prisoners
Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)
Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, No freedom of movement, and also Water control
Palestinians lack civil rights
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs archived here
Some nice racism in there.
Being Arab isn’t a race and if it was I’d be saying it about myself.
Being Muslim is definitely not a race; not so sure about the Arab part.
Race is a social construct after all. Humans are all one specie of Animal. What we see are just slight genetical variation from one ethnicity/culture to another.
I think they may be viewing it as more of an act of defiance and retribution for the rave hamas murdered all those innocent people at. If you view it as an isolated thing happening during a “war” then it really makes no sense.
It makes no sense anyway. Hamas murdered innocent people so they want to …murder more innocent people.
It makes perfect sense. It’s not constructive, effective or helping to move towards any kind of resolution of this conflict, but on a personal level, it does make sense.
I think, as far as regular people go, at this stage both sides in the conflict are primarily motivated by revenge. We can dress it all up with fancy words of occupation, injustice, national self defense or whatever your chosen flavor of ideology is in this conflict. But for regular everyday people in the region the primary reason why they want to see the other regular people die is revenge.With that logic doesn’t that makes hamas targeting Israel civilians makes perfect sense since they are living under colonization?
Yes, that’s how it works. Neither side are frothing-at-the-mouth insane, they’re actions make sense to them under their limited perspectives.
These protests were started by families of hostages who are still in Gaza. They don’t want any supplies into Gaza until all hostages are released, because they fear that most of the aid will be stolen by Hamas anyway and used to prolong the war.
What are they afraid that they’re going to throw loaves of bread and first aid kits at Israeli soldiers? Knock it the fuck off
Hamas has consistently stolen aid meant for civilians:
Before you scoff at the source, there’s video evidence included in the article that is impossible to deny.
It should be pretty obvious that food, medical supplies and fuel are needed by fighters as well and in much larger quantities per person.
This is a difficult problem to solve. Personally, I would still send supplies though, hoping that at least some of them reach civilians who need them, but I can understand the frustration of people who are personally affected by this war. This aid unfortunately does have a not just theoretical chance of prolonging the conflict, enabling the besieged terrorist organization to hold out for longer, which in turn means more suffering not just for hostages and Israelis who only just recently have seen a reduction in rocket attacks, but also for Palestinian civilians, who are caught between a rock (IDF) and a hard place (Hamas) for as long as the fighting continues.
Here’s the moral conundrum: Let’s say we could determine with near certainty that halting aid would shorten the war, even if it resulted in a temporary increase in human suffering due to increased shortages. If the total amount of human suffering would be lower as a result, due to the war being over sooner, would it be the right moral choice, even if people end up suffering more for a brief amount of time? Think of it as a variation of the trolley problem.
@DdCno1 I wonder what they imagine the hostages are eating.
What is happening to the hostages when they are being bombed by that psychopath Netanyahu.
Based on what surviving hostages have reported and going by the fact that medication meant for them never reached them, not much.
For as much of a bastard as Netanyahu is, you can’t fight a modern war effectively without bombs (or else you get stagnation like in Ukraine, where air defenses on both sides make use of bombers difficult to impossible) and the hostages wouldn’t be in danger of getting bombed in the first place if Hamas hadn’t abducted them from their homes and started this war.
@DdCno1 I would much rather stagnation than genocide.
At least 1.5% of the population of Gaza has been killed in under 5 months.
To put that into perspective, in the Bosnian Genocide 3% of Bosniaks were killed in a process which took over 2 years.
Intent matters. The actual death toll (which we don’t actually have for Gaza - we only have Hamas reporting figures, which includes obvious lies like that hospital parking lot incident that I’m sure you remember) is actually irrelevant in assessing whether or not something is a genocide. Think about this for a second: Would an army hell-bent on committing genocide roof-knock, drop leaflets, send warnings by telephone, messenger, social media and hacked TV stations? Why bother, why give warning to an enemy (any time you warn civilians, Hamas fighters will also be able to flee or hide) if the actual goal, like you are claiming, is eradication?
Before you’re saying that this is just a smoke screen: The Israeli government clearly doesn’t care about outside appearances, as they have stated multiple times, and would bring this war to its conclusion no matter what the world is saying, as they have also stated multiple times.
Also, stagnation doesn’t mean everything stops, it means the fighting continues, it means extremely limited access for aid workers, it means chaos, it means people fleeing, it means supplies getting stolen by Hamas.
It’s only a genocide if the west disagrees with it.
Genocide has a pretty strict definition.
All the righties in any other situation would be screaming that protesters blocking a road should be run over.
I don’t really agree but perhaps we should respect their wishes this one time. 🤔
All the leftists in any other situation would be applauding protesters taking direct action.
I don’t really agree but perhaps we should respect their wishes this one time. 🤔
It seems hypocrisy depends on context, doesn’t it?
You think I care about some little masturbatory gotcha play, but no - innocent people are suffering and these fucks are trying to keep them from basic necessities like food, water, and medical supplies that have pointedly and explicitly destroyed by Israel - fuck em, take em out.
Apples =/= oranges, no matter how hard you try to run circles around it.
Like I say, hypocrisy depends on context.
You’re using a tragic situation your own little masturbatory gotcha play on right wing on what right wing people say about your protests. Interesting how you thought that was ok, isn’t it? 🤔 🤔 🤔
If the protesters in these other situations were blocking fleets of ambulances and firetrucks you might have an equivalency.
The media want us to believe that the Problem with Israel is the far right government, while in reality it is the whole fucking Nation.
Well put
All religions are shit. Humanity really needs to shed this primitive baggage already.
It’s not about religion. It’s about settler colonialism.
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Bad people will do bad things, sure, but if you want good people to do bad things, you need religion.
That’s actually someone’s quote… So I wish You give them credit
I’d actually argue the opposite. Religion reigns in bad people. Talk to a religious person, wait until you hear them say something like, “but if there’s no god and no afterlife, what’s to stop people from murder and rape?” That’s all that’s holding them back from total anarchy, the threat of eternal suffering and damnation, only for some it’s still not enough.
I find it interesting when people say this but ignore any wrong doing or suffering caused by secular or atheistic regimes.
LMFAO 🤣😆
Communism=Atheism?
Not how that works buddy; but good try.
You’re very good at strawman. I didn’t say communism is atheism. However, you’ll find that many communist regimes were atheistic. I’ll give an example for atheism and secularism.
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The USSR had an atheistic regime, which caused a lot of suffering for its people and surrounding countries they took over. They also didn’t like religion and wanted to get rid of it. (https://www.history.com/news/joseph-stalin-religion-atheism-ussr)
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All the secular colonial states that have taken over other countries. Plus, the issues that continue to this day. Take the middle east for example and the lines drawn on purpose to keep the region destabilized. Or take francophone Africa which to this day suffers from Frances control over the region through dictators.
That’s not straw-manning…
Ok… I think You’re forgetting every other war and crusade that was driven by religion. Most of colonialist states were religious.
I don’t deny there was crusades or that there was wars inspired or motivated by religion. I never said anything of sorts in my original comments. You’re only assuming it.
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Nobody is defending marxist / leninist / maoist or any Communist regime that got people killed… Not even the atheist.
Good try though
I didn’t say they are. Good try though
