• Melkath@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    Here is what struck me recently about the Israeli people.

    Germans went genocidal because of the depression. Because they were starving. Because they were suffering. Because they needed something to rally around, and Hitler gave them the worst possible thing to rally around.

    Israeli’s live the good life. They are wealthy. They are protected. They want for nothing. They are the American socialist state that Americans don’t get the have, but pay for Israelis to have.

    They are genocidal because they are human trash. No other excuse.

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        9 months ago

        Yes. And their big robust US built defense systems block virtually all of those attacks, leading to virtually zero casualties or property damage, as they perpetually use big robust US built weapons to pummel the Gaza strip daily, where they have no defense systems, where constant massive loss of life and infrastructure are endured.

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          9 months ago

          Virtually zero is not only far from zero, it doesn’t excuse constant aggression.

          Hamas’ incompetence isn’t a defense.

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              9 months ago

              It’s not a genocide. It could easily be one given the technology difference. It’s clearly not one.

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                9 months ago

                The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.

                “It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants and starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid, just like past genocides. But this one is different because it you object you’re automatically an anti-semite!”

                Sure.

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                  9 months ago

                  “It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants

                  Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.

                  starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid,

                  Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.

                  The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer. … Sure.

                  Back at you.

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                    9 months ago

                    Lol, your rebuttals don’t even make sense. You know you’re on the Internet, right? You can actually look things up instead of making things up. I guess the problem is reality doesn’t match the propaganda you choose to believe, since the alternative is realizing you’re promoting genocide.

                    Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.

                    Verifiably false. It’s approximately 50%. Even up to 2007, Israel was able to kill Palestinian militants versus civilians at a rate of approximately 2:3. Suddenly, it’s over 1:2. It’s almost as if all the videos and journalist eyewitness accounts of the “most moral army” indiscriminately killing men, women, and children are actually true! They’ve killed so many civilians, they’ve wiped out more than that US did in its three year campaign against the Islamic State.

                    Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.

                    Hey look guys, not only is Hamas in refugee camps and hospitals, Hamas is now in the IDF, shooting refugees trying to get aid! Hamas has also infiltrated the Israeli population and staged that pathetic “rave” that blocked humanitarian aid. Man, Hamas is everywhere!

                    Back at you.

                    Yes, I’m clearly a mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda. I know you’re not much of a thinker, but come on.

                    This is more info for anyone on the fence. Don’t believe the Israeli genocidal propaganda, kids. It’s way too easy to disprove.

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                9 months ago

                Right cuz 30,000 dead in 4 months is nothing. Did you think a genocide means every Palestinian is dead in 4 months? If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.

                As it is, the vast majority of scholars and countries do recognize it as a genocide and even America, israels biggest supporter, is saying maybe they should stop the killing of innocent civilians.

                If the pace of killing and bombing keeps up for another year, I could guarantee a million Palestinians would be dead. Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide. Seriously, give me a number.

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                  9 months ago

                  Given the incompetence of the Hamas led defense, no 30k in 4 months is surprisingly low. Gaza is incredibly small and incredibly dense. They (the IDF) has to use incredibly modern munitions to airstrike single buildings and minimize collateral damage.

                  If the IDF went full Russia and simply WW2 artillery barraged Gaza similar to Bahkmut I’d expect 250k+ casualties.

                  If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.

                  Unlikely.

                  Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide.

                  6:1 is the UN acceptable civilian to military casualty rate before they generally start investigating a conflict as a genocide. There’s an estimate 50k Hamas fighter in the Strip. That’s a theoretical headroom of 300k civilian casualties. That’s the number that would make me think it’s more than likely not a genocide.