I actually consider this a very big win for Trump.
Literal decades of fraud that netted him billions in profits and he only has to pay back $300 million.
Little decades of fraud, and he’s only banned from being an officer or director for 3 years. He gets to keep everything else.
Once again a very rich person got away with decades of crimes and only had to give back a portion of the profits. $355 million is only a small portion of the money he has made in the past four decades.
Guy should have been forced to cough up the full 375, and then permanently banned from doing any more businesses in the state. Anything else is a gift.
I’m no expert by any means but I think once he’s kicked out of NY, it’s going to be pretty difficult for him to get back in.
He also has the court appointed monitor for the next 3 years which he already complained is costing him money (by stopping him from committing more fraud).
On top of that, banks will think twice before doing business with him in the future making it very difficult for him to make money without risking what he already has
While I agree that it should have been much more, I think (well more of a hope) that the long term damage this will do will cost him and his family far more than if he never committed fraud in the first place… Then again, he’s shown an amazing ability to avoid consequences this far
He hasn’t really been kicked out, though. Has he? He’s banned from “serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years” but the business certificates were not cancelled. The judge modified his original order from September to vacate the directive to cancel them. That means that when the monitor, who Trump is paying about $186,000/month, is done in three years, he’ll be back in control of it all.
Oh… I misunderstood that part then, I thought that part of the order was still in place. That’s not as bad for him. My hope is that the monitor digs up a lot more dirt in that time and hands it over, like they did a month or so back
He’s not allowed to control or direct the company for those 3 years, and the sum of the judgment might be enough to force the company to be sold off
Maybe, but somehow I don’t think it’ll play out that way.
I think one of two things will happen with the businesses. First, it may turn out that they owe so much because of the fraudulently acquired loans that they are not really profitable and will end up failing. They simply might not viable without the ongoing fraud. It’ll get particularly dicey if the banks Trump and his companies defrauded decide to use the ruling to demand that the loans be immediately repaid. I doubt that will happen, but it’d be fun to watch.
On the other hand, Trump is such a bone head businessman that he could actually be richer if he’d just invested his inheritance in the stock market and not started his own businesses. This is a guy who managed to bankrupt multiple casinos. The saying, the house always wins, apparently doesn’t apply when Trump is running the house. Without his tiny, incompetent hands at the wheel, his companies might actually start running more efficiently. Whoever will be running them instead of Trump may just do a better job than him, since they won’t be so focused on committing crimes. Trump could actually make more money from them than he would otherwise.
I know Trump has done a lot of illegal stuff to make money over the years, but this trial is specifically about the over valuing of his properties in New York state. $300 million and loss of owning and operating businesses in the state, even temporarily, is a huge punishment for what he was on trial for.
If only his many other trials end the same way then maybe he will have faced justice. We’ll have to see.
Amount is pretty close to what the prosecutor asked for.
Yeah, it’s as if they scale penalties over time for the rich just like they scale wages for everyone else
Little decades of fraud
Those are still 10 years each, right? They’re not like half-decades?
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(because the poster above sounds like ChatGPT and that’s a common jailbreak, lol)
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This is a reflection of America … not of Trump
The fact that someone this corrupt continues to have a political career says more about America than anything else.
it says a lot about the political coverage in the media and half of the voting population, but I’m not sure it says something about all of us. some of which were raising alarms and flags for 50 years (I’m not that old but I know people that were) and were ignored. sometimes intentionally.
In history it’s often portrayed as thirds.
A third is complicit in supporting fascist ideology
A third are active in fighting against fascist ideology
And a third are ignorant of any side and don’t care if one or the other is supported so long as they are able to eat, have shelter and get by.
It’s the ignorant masses that are the most volatile because all that’s needed is a brief moment of their attention to change the course of history.
I have been speaking out against Donald Trump since he made the comment in his debate with Hillary Clinton about keeping us in suspense when they asked him if he’d accept the results if he lost.
In all of this time I have changed only one mind. ONE.
I said then, “I promise you, if he loses, he’ll claim it was stolen.” “No he won’t. He’s just making a show of it. He’s a really smart man and he’s playing with these career politicians.”
He won.
When he ran again, I reminded them of what he said in the debate with Hillary Clinton. When he lost, he did exactly what I said he would do (what HE said he would do). It didn’t matter that he won the last time. Still, nearly all of them said, “Well, they cheated the first time but they didn’t cheat hard enough. They cheated this time and Covid helped with voting by mail. Dead people voted.”
Even though he told them all EXACTLY what he would do if he lost, they still followed whatever he said after that and made excuses.
It blows my fucking mind.
In Norway, we have had a wave of politicians leaving their minister posts or other high positions due to tax evasion on use of governmental appartments, small incidents of inside trading and lack of citations/plagiarism on their master thesis. It all seems so small nd innocent comparred to what Trump has done while still running strong for his party.
Only banned for 3 years though…
And only banned from serving as an officer or director. Engoron cancelled the dissolution order, so he keeps his real estate holdings and his ownership interests.
That’s just wrong.
Yep, it’s not like whoever works for his companies isn’t going to take direction from him, regardless of whether he has a title or draws a salary.
Honestly, the whole ruling is utter bullshit based on both the amount of fraud and Trump and his lawyer’s behavior in court.
He’ll either be dead, hiding out in Russia or Saudi Arabia, or president by then.
Maybe prison
Please and thank you.
I don’t know if Russia or Saudi Arabia will protect him once he is no longer a useful idiot.
He’s a cult leader. As long as he’s alive and has a platform, he’s useful for destabilizing the US.
Dead, he’ll be a martyr to MAGA. I think the best hope is demographics, MAGA will age out.
Trump is too much of a narcissist to be grooming his eventual successor. Which means that when he finally shucks off his flabby mortal coil, there’s going to be a power grab for control of the cult and they usually don’t survive that. Everyone from his children to Marjie Traitor Greene is going to claim they’re the heir to the MAGAt movement.
It really should be permanent based on the scope of fraud.
3 years might be long enough to let the big macs catch up to him
That’s close to lifetime for him.
But not for his kids. And they’ll get to keep Trump Tower in the family.
but will they really? one, I can see A. LOT. more massive fines being applied here. he owes nearly a half BILLION in fines and penalties now.
two, he’s no longer nominally in charge. if the monitor says assets need to be sold assets are getting sold.
and three, being banned by new york from being on or running/owning any corporation is not an insignificant matter. in fact, it would say quite a bit if a company did associate with them after the penalty has expired. “junior and eric trump defrauded new york out of millions of dollars five years ago. you want to hire them on? what if they do that to us?”. were this in a state like wyoming or north dakota where no one lives and no one really cares it would be one thing. but this is in probably the financial capital of country, if not the world. being banned from doing business in a place where business is constantly happening is bad, and people will remember that.
“I’ll vote for him again because he isn’t like the other corrupt politicians”
-My dad
To be fair, Trump is his own class of corrupt.
You should hear about the fucked up shit his dad did with coney island.
Well now you’re teasing. Please do tell.
Like he demolished Steeplechase, ruined the gut, and displaced African Americans, and forced them to live in old Sumner camps that weren’t designed for winter occupation while not letting then in Trump village, AND collecting relocation fees peer family. https://youtu.be/r6XCs652VDY?si=N-WpoQzxmTk1ez_D
Yikes. Guess douchbaggery runs in the family. Thanks for the reply.
Your dad is correct but what he’s either leaving out or failing to realize is that he’s more corrupt than other politicians. He isn’t like them because he’s worse.
’ not like the other girls’
In his unconventional style, Justice Engoron criticized Mr. Trump and the other defendants for refusing to admit errors for years. “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” he said.
Borders. Sure.
You would put a cesspit at the edge of camp so you would be as far as possible from the smell.
His lack of contrition and remorse sits right knee deep in a cesspool border.
Republicans: “man, I just can’t think of a better candidate than this convicted fraudster. He can defraud the world and make America great again, again, again.”
He defrauded everyone else. Surely he won’t defraud us.
- Republican voters
The most blatant exaggeration was the listed size of Mr. Trump’s triplex apartment in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. For years, the former president had valued it as if it were 30,000 square feet, when it was actually 10,996.
You’d almost think he’s a bit insecure about . . . size.
On at least one of his towers, they just skip numbering some floors so that the numbers are higher and makes it sound more impressive.
In many US buildings they will skip the 13th floor. Some actually build the thing, and make it unusable to anyone except maintenance, but many literally label the 13th floor as the 14th floor. Superstitious nonsense.
As an European I had to convert this and… 10996 square feet is absolutely MASSIVE and I don’t mean just for an apartment in a tower in NYC either. It’s massive for a house in the countryside.
Loser.
Broke loser.
This is actually a massive win.
3 year ban from serving as an officer or board member, but doesn’t have to give up any companies, and retains ownership?
Given the rampant corruption and fraud and how long it’s been going on; that’s the least that should have happened.
The financial penalty reflects those lost profits, with nearly half of the $355 million — $168 million — representing the interest that Mr. Trump saved, and the remaining sum representing his profit on the recent sale of two properties, money that the judge has now clawed back from Mr. Trump and corporate entities he owns.
$354 million here…
$83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll
$5 million on the first E. Jean Carroll case…So $442,300,000 - Yow!
He better start writing some checks before there’s a land rush for Trump Tower.
Because of the $100 million debt, Forbes magazine calculated the tower’s net worth at $371 million
He has to wait to grift money from his cult of followers to pay for this again. $100 says they make merch to sell off this shit.
from what I have read, this $450 million fine must come from assets, and not campaign funds.
I don’t know about the e jean money, but for this he’s going to have to eat himself.
and just remember, the republican national committee currently has $8 million in the bank in an election year, that the new leadership promises will 100% go to elect trump. the money that’s leftover from paying his legal bills that is.
It irks me that while Trump is usually called by his last name, like all men, when people talk about women they casually use their first names like Hillary or, in this case, E Jean. It’s such a casual and mindless form of disrespect that few seem to notice.
More like maga cult will pay in donations 350 million *
he’s only barred from controlling his businesses for 3 years? that doesn’t seem like a big deal
He may not live another three years (hopefully).
looks like he’s got a lot of energy to me
I work in a hospital. I’ve seen patients that have had full signs of life, nothing indicating that they might die within the next 12 hours, but guess what? When I came in for my next shift? Boom. Dead. It’s the weirdest thing. And alternatively, patients who look like death can cling on to life for months and months and months.
so he’s definitely dying then it’s what you’re saying
On a long enough timeline…
Exactly. That ruling is symbolic. They’ll just put someone in place that still carries out his wishes.
I don’t think anyone affiliated is allowed to make an appointment
Trump is a loser.
This is the takeaway we need to impress on a MAGA crowd, that is immune to all the immorality and treason.This Friday afternoon martini is going to taste extra delicious.
Make it a double!
Can he appeal this, though?
Sure. He has 30 days to write a 350 million dollar check as payment or appeal bond.
Edit : Opps. The judgment was $354.9 million, but there’s been $98.6 million of pre-judgment interest, meaning the actual total Trump alone owes is $453.5 million.
liquidator brunt approves.
