• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    45·
    8 months ago

    honestly, at this point, i don’t have the capacity to care anymore. You wanna take about the delicate nuances of the israel-hamas conflict? Absolutely, i love that kind of shit.

    You wanna debate whether this is good/bad? Good luck.

    • bigFab@lemmy.world
      81·
      8 months ago

      Good/bad is the wrong aproach. What ppl this days lack is the sense of chivalry. If you see someone that was right in an argument beating the shit out of the guy that was wrong, you as a human being still should intervene to stop the onslaught.

      It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        good bad is definitely the wrong approach. Like i said i love talking about the intricacies of these conflicts, because they’re fun, but anytime someone pulls out stats or numbers that are/aren’t verified my eyes just glaze over because even if it’s true (from my perspective) i dont even know if israel is a real place, i’ve never been there. It could all be a lie. Is that likely? No, of course not, chances are it IS a real place, but the fact of the matter still stays the same. How relevant is it to me? Not very. Humans dying is bad, but humans die constantly, all over the place, for tons of different reasons, war is unfortunately one of the worse ways to go out, but it’s just one of the ways.

        is israel doing/has done bad things over the conflict? Absolutely. I’m not going to say they didn’t. Have hamas also probably done bad things? Probably. Can i confirm either on of those things? Nope. What can i do then? Simple, i can try to understand the intricacies of the situation as best as possible so that way i can have an informed and realistic understanding of the situation. Does that mean war is suddenly good? No, obviously not, is it more productive and better than simply stating “war bad, stop doing war” Probably.

        There are a lot of people defending israel in this because hamas is “a terrorist group” and “want to kill all jews” Is any of that true? No clue, and frankly i don’t really give a shit. There are a lot of people defending palestine because “they’re the small guy” “they’re being oppressed” “israel is a militaristic ruler” etc, etc. etc… I could go on for hours honestly. Again, do i care? Not really. There is a lot of contradictory, conflicting (both true and untrue) information on both sides. It’s not a simple conflict, there is no simple resolution.

        Whats the ideal outcome? Israel and palestine co-exist peacefully, simultaneously somehow. Anything other than that is messy and bound to let the same thing happen again in the future.

        It’s 10k civilian deaths vs 500 civilian deaths. May be time to stop the massacre?

        what does this statement mean? I dont know. The way i look at it is that 15000 people have died, and there are people out here who think the single most important factor in this whole conflict is “but, more people on this side, have died than on this side” that’s terrible, did we ever stop for a second to consider that maybe war is just bad. There is no good outcome here, people die no matter what happens, the best thing we can do is to PREVENT war. Not wait for it to happen. To me it really seems like nobody cares about the actual people dying, or all the bad things happening, it seems like people care about which side deserves it, and which side unfairly procured it. Which like i’ve said multiple times, is a very interesting discussion. We’re talking about war, not about the history, logistics, and complications behind it. We should be talking about what is happening, rather than what we care about is happening.

        We’re sitting here justifying the single worst human invention, in the name of posterity and justice. Rather than actually just taking the problem at face value, and seeing it for what it is, people killing each other, because we can’t get along. That’s the true problem here.

        (wall of text ik, i just have a lot of thoughts about a lot of things, and not enough time to write them down.)

        • bigFab@lemmy.world
          2·
          8 months ago

          Of course many things are relative, still if we do not try to discuss specific terms there will never be human understanding.

          Is Israel imaginary? Me as living in Finland, I could still not verify.

          Is there a massive weapon industry in U.S: and Nato countries? Well, that you can believe it. Every bullet sold is documented by multiple entities.

          Is there a specific count of bullets, assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, war drones, missiles, ground mines, military vehicles and bombs sold to Israel by U.S. and Nato? Yes.

          Is military funding accounted? Yes.

          If something is official, you can trust it is real.

          On the other hand Iran smugles armament to Hamas. That amount cannot compete with the official Nato supply. It’s just industrially and logistically impossible.

          A gun vs knife situations consequence is that a ‘war,’ as you call it became a genocide.

          If we do not try to specify terms, ww2 jews could also be just ‘war casualties’.

  • Xero@lemmy.worldEnglish
    214·
    8 months ago

    How to make the enemy commit war crimes and get everyone on your side during wartime 101: Use hospitals/schools as militaty base.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
          3·
          8 months ago

          Another highlight for the “most important” lines:

          The claims were remarkably specific — that five hospital buildings were directly involved in Hamas activities; that the buildings sat atop underground tunnels that were used by militants to direct rocket attacks and command fighters; and that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards. The assertions were backed by “concrete evidence,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said as he laid out the case in an Oct. 27 briefing.

          The Post’s analysis shows:

          • The rooms connected to the tunnel network discovered by IDF troops showed no immediate evidence of military use by Hamas.
          • None of the five hospital buildings identified by Hagari appeared to be connected to the tunnel network.
          • There is no evidence that the tunnels could be accessed from inside hospital wards.
  • uSpetzWon@lemmy.world
    317·
    8 months ago

    I saw an estimate of Hamas being 20-25k people. And they are operating in an area with 2M people.

    So few people against so many.

    Looks very much like there is 2M Hamas.

    Because if 2M people would want to stop the 25k terrorists they could do it with less casualties than what Hamas claims Israel is inflicting while fighting the terrorists.