The Catholic Church has had hundreds of years to see the results of what it’s done to children. I have a feeling we’ll see how much the bottom group has impacted them in about 10-30 years. To say with any certainty right now would show bias to one side or the other.
Sorry to burst your bubble but drag queens and the trans community didn’t suddenly appear in the 2020s when ultra right wing media decided they were all diddlers. You don’t even need to dig deep. You’ve got surface level, mainstream examples like John Waters and Divine were killing it in the 70s. Shit, Gore Vidal wrote Myra Breckenridge in the 60s and had a movie made of it with Raquel Welch
Plus, if you want a more academic history of sexual expression and gender expression, Foucault and Butler have written plenty. And all their books are old as fuck and talk about people from a long ass time ago
Add onto that, the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse is pretty much always analyzed across the latter half of the 20th century and now the 21st century. When’s the last time you saw someone call out the church over pedophilia by saying, “hey, did you know that Pope Innocent III molested an altar boy in 1203 A.D.”
So yeah naw. Roasting the church harder than drag queens isn’t biased, it isn’t reactionary, and the academic interest isn’t missing.
Something existing and it being mainstream and trendy, where kids are identifying as something to fit in with a peer group, are very different things. Having gender reassignment surgery isn’t like being goth. You can’t just take the makeup off when you decide it doesn’t serve you anymore.
You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity.
Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
The Catholic Church has had hundreds of years to see the results of what it’s done to children. I have a feeling we’ll see how much the bottom group has impacted them in about 10-30 years. To say with any certainty right now would show bias to one side or the other.
Sorry to burst your bubble but drag queens and the trans community didn’t suddenly appear in the 2020s when ultra right wing media decided they were all diddlers. You don’t even need to dig deep. You’ve got surface level, mainstream examples like John Waters and Divine were killing it in the 70s. Shit, Gore Vidal wrote Myra Breckenridge in the 60s and had a movie made of it with Raquel Welch
Plus, if you want a more academic history of sexual expression and gender expression, Foucault and Butler have written plenty. And all their books are old as fuck and talk about people from a long ass time ago
Add onto that, the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse is pretty much always analyzed across the latter half of the 20th century and now the 21st century. When’s the last time you saw someone call out the church over pedophilia by saying, “hey, did you know that Pope Innocent III molested an altar boy in 1203 A.D.”
So yeah naw. Roasting the church harder than drag queens isn’t biased, it isn’t reactionary, and the academic interest isn’t missing.
Something existing and it being mainstream and trendy, where kids are identifying as something to fit in with a peer group, are very different things. Having gender reassignment surgery isn’t like being goth. You can’t just take the makeup off when you decide it doesn’t serve you anymore.
You really don’t understand how any of this works, do you?
You really don’t understand what it’s like to be a kid, do you?
You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity. Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
And in many cases, this care is lifesaving!
This video has someone who had surgery at 16 and isn’t happy about it. You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist, unless you’re going to use a No True Scotsman fallacy to dismiss anything that conflicts with your views.
https://youtu.be/dl0LZZFos-g
I’m not going to trust the the AMA, or the APA, or any other accredited major medical institution. But I’ll trust Youtube.
Holy. Fucking. Christ.
I never said I didn’t trust the AMA. You said “ALL”, in all caps, implying heavily that there are no exceptions to the statements you were making. That’s what I was objecting to. The only thing that certain in the medical field is that everyone who is born will one day die. For everything else, there are exceptions to everting. That’s what I was objecting to. The YouTube video was just a simple and quick example of one person who fell outside your box. Do I really need to show you a peer reviewed study that says a kid made a decision and changed their mind when they grew up? That’s every kid, it’s only a question of the thing they change their mind about.
I’d think someone interested in these types of issues would be more willing to accept that not everyone fits into one standard way things are. Holy fucking christ indeed.
You can’t take the hard line of “ALL” when people like this exist,
I’m not taking the hard line of ‘ALL’, you muppet. I’m taking the same stance as over 1.3 million doctors in this country do: That this is a real problem for many and guidlines need to exist on how to handle it.
And no one has ever strayed from guidelines for acceptance, right? No doctor has ever had to admit a mistake, right?
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I don’t know what you mean by the quote, “exposing”, “norms”, or “harms” in this context.
Congrats on your C+ in your intro to formal logic class you took for your one philosophy requirement in college