The only period of diminishing atmospheric Co2 concentration in recent history was the COVID lockdown, so halting production and destroying wealth seems to work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Halting production made erode the wealth of some, but running around shooting rich people isn’t going to do jack shit for the environment.
The halting of production and travel led to decreased CO2, not rich people being less rich.
And if you were paying attention, the people who were able to solved people’s problems during that time got more rich. It’s almost like people pay other people to help solve their problems… and those problem solvers get rich. Whoever can solve the energy problems will end up insanely rich, and can do so while helping the environment. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
we are not suggesting running around and shooting billionaires, that’s not a revolution, the Bolsheveik revolution didn’t just assassinate the Tsar, there was more.
if saving nature is profitable, why isn’t there an insanely rich person who solved global warming yet?
You can’t just paint targets and hope their absense will make things better; you have to have ultimatums, so that they and their peers have incentive to change.
But that’s like 90% of lib praxis! Boo-hooing about those violent and mean tankies who want to stop poor innocent billionaires from destroying the planet! We’re so cruel!
Shit, before Elon got distracted by Twitter he was the richest person by starting an electric car company to try and keep earth alive long enough to get people to another planet through his other company SpaceX. So you can say there is already an insanely rich person who got that way from trying to help with global warming.
But it’s not magic. Ideas still need to exist. Technology still needs to exist or be invested, and impact takes time. If someone discovered some power source that provided all the benefits of fossil fuels, without the downsides, that could work at scale regardless of the environment. They’d be a trillionaire within 10 years.
He didn’t start Tesla, he bought his way in. The guy hasn’t had a single original thought in his life. He just invests in companies that sound cool to him, he doesn’t give a shit about the future or the current state of humanity. And he stole that wealth by exploiting the people that work for him. Stop idolizing wealthy people.
Adding to this, he tried to do the whole “X” thing at PayPal and they removed him from his board position because of it. Fortunately for him, he had already bought in with his generational wealth and was able to simply fail upwards from there.
It’s federated, I didn’t seek this post or instance out. What does being on lemmygrad mean? I don’t inherently know the ideology behind every instance, if you’re getting at something related to that.
Lemmygrad is a Marxist-Leninist instance, commies or Tankies or whatever you know it as, if you’re interested in like learning about it and discussing it you’re free to do so, but Capitalist apoligia isn’t allowed here.
Simplifying things beyond their meaning doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you look like baby, “Revolution is when boom boom”
The guns in the comic and the title of the post are for a revolution, yk just like the “glorious” american “revolution” that yankees worship. revolutions need violence like it or not, the ruling class will not give away its position easily and it will send its dogs to bite us (Police, Army, Fascist militias… etc).
In most of hisotry, a very large amount of the problem s were solved by shooting people. Getting the US out of Vietnam and Laos were caused by shooting people. Dealing with the Nazis were done by shooting people. Getting the British out of Ireland was done by shooting people. And shooting people is still the main solution in the world. The main tool to keep the Zionists from continuing to expand are guns and bombs
The only solution rich people have come up with is lying and pretending normal people are responsible so they will buy greenwashed products that won’t make much an impact. Individual electric cars are highly energy intensive and rely on metals mined by child labor, the real solution (accessible public transit) is simply not profitable, the car lobby won’t allow it. The other solution they have is pumping chemicals into the sky to bleach it and artificially block the sun. Is that really what we want? The US military is the number one polluter, when’s it going to be profitable to end them? It won’t because militarism is where the money’s at. Also, rich people didn’t deal with Covid because of their wealth. Millions died because they wanted people to get back to the office and buying things. The people who got rich were entertainment and tech companies. The vaccine wasn’t developed because rich people knew what to do, it was done because the government paid companies to do it and let them keep the money. They then stopped people from getting access to good vaccines through intellectual property and patents, allowing them to get even more money.
Well yea, for example in my country some problem solvers got rich during COVID by overcharging the state for imports of medical and hygienic supplies, because our industrial network is so eroded due to globalization-relocalization that apparently we aren’t even able to manufacture some simple face masks anymore. Wealth accumulation never stops, even in a recessive scenario. It just gets accumulated in less hands.
(Edit because bad english)
End of civilization would solve the problem for once, but I’m afraid we are not so close. The wealthy will adapt and continue business as usual. Only the poor will suffer.
The only period of diminishing atmospheric Co2 concentration in recent history was the COVID lockdown, so halting production and destroying wealth seems to work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Halting production made erode the wealth of some, but running around shooting rich people isn’t going to do jack shit for the environment.
The halting of production and travel led to decreased CO2, not rich people being less rich.
And if you were paying attention, the people who were able to solved people’s problems during that time got more rich. It’s almost like people pay other people to help solve their problems… and those problem solvers get rich. Whoever can solve the energy problems will end up insanely rich, and can do so while helping the environment. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.
we are not suggesting running around and shooting billionaires, that’s not a revolution, the Bolsheveik revolution didn’t just assassinate the Tsar, there was more.
if saving nature is profitable, why isn’t there an insanely rich person who solved global warming yet?
You can’t just paint targets and hope their absense will make things better; you have to have ultimatums, so that they and their peers have incentive to change.
Then what are the guns in the comic and the title of this post for?
It’s… a meme title. On a meme comm. Oh my fucking god please liberals stop concern trolling
But that’s like 90% of lib praxis! Boo-hooing about those violent and mean tankies who want to stop poor innocent billionaires from destroying the planet! We’re so cruel!
They’re working on it.
Shit, before Elon got distracted by Twitter he was the richest person by starting an electric car company to try and keep earth alive long enough to get people to another planet through his other company SpaceX. So you can say there is already an insanely rich person who got that way from trying to help with global warming.
But it’s not magic. Ideas still need to exist. Technology still needs to exist or be invested, and impact takes time. If someone discovered some power source that provided all the benefits of fossil fuels, without the downsides, that could work at scale regardless of the environment. They’d be a trillionaire within 10 years.
He didn’t start Tesla, he bought his way in. The guy hasn’t had a single original thought in his life. He just invests in companies that sound cool to him, he doesn’t give a shit about the future or the current state of humanity. And he stole that wealth by exploiting the people that work for him. Stop idolizing wealthy people.
Adding to this, he tried to do the whole “X” thing at PayPal and they removed him from his board position because of it. Fortunately for him, he had already bought in with his generational wealth and was able to simply fail upwards from there.
bro I suggest you go to another Lemmy instance, you’re on Lemmygrad rn
It’s federated, I didn’t seek this post or instance out. What does being on lemmygrad mean? I don’t inherently know the ideology behind every instance, if you’re getting at something related to that.
Lemmygrad is a Marxist-Leninist instance, commies or Tankies or whatever you know it as, if you’re interested in like learning about it and discussing it you’re free to do so, but Capitalist apoligia isn’t allowed here.
Define “capitalist apologia” as differentiated from discussing Marxist-Leninist “shoot people to solve world problems” ideology?
Simplifying things beyond their meaning doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you look like baby, “Revolution is when boom boom”
The guns in the comic and the title of the post are for a revolution, yk just like the “glorious” american “revolution” that yankees worship. revolutions need violence like it or not, the ruling class will not give away its position easily and it will send its dogs to bite us (Police, Army, Fascist militias… etc).
In most of hisotry, a very large amount of the problem s were solved by shooting people. Getting the US out of Vietnam and Laos were caused by shooting people. Dealing with the Nazis were done by shooting people. Getting the British out of Ireland was done by shooting people. And shooting people is still the main solution in the world. The main tool to keep the Zionists from continuing to expand are guns and bombs
The only solution rich people have come up with is lying and pretending normal people are responsible so they will buy greenwashed products that won’t make much an impact. Individual electric cars are highly energy intensive and rely on metals mined by child labor, the real solution (accessible public transit) is simply not profitable, the car lobby won’t allow it. The other solution they have is pumping chemicals into the sky to bleach it and artificially block the sun. Is that really what we want? The US military is the number one polluter, when’s it going to be profitable to end them? It won’t because militarism is where the money’s at. Also, rich people didn’t deal with Covid because of their wealth. Millions died because they wanted people to get back to the office and buying things. The people who got rich were entertainment and tech companies. The vaccine wasn’t developed because rich people knew what to do, it was done because the government paid companies to do it and let them keep the money. They then stopped people from getting access to good vaccines through intellectual property and patents, allowing them to get even more money.
Well yea, for example in my country some problem solvers got rich during COVID by overcharging the state for imports of medical and hygienic supplies, because our industrial network is so eroded due to globalization-relocalization that apparently we aren’t even able to manufacture some simple face masks anymore. Wealth accumulation never stops, even in a recessive scenario. It just gets accumulated in less hands. (Edit because bad english)
I remember the rich during the beginning of COVID saying a lot of us should die so the economy keeps rolling.
The covid lockdown disrupted the global economy, starting WW3 and thereby putting human civilization at risk.
End of civilization would solve the problem for once, but I’m afraid we are not so close. The wealthy will adapt and continue business as usual. Only the poor will suffer.
Did you just blame a future world war on COVID lockdowns?
I can’t imagine unironically agreeing with this
How did Covid start a non-existent war?
Are you trying to crack a joke? It’s hard to tell.