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    8 months ago

    Good for him, brushing your teeth and honest introspection isn’t easy when you hate yourself. He’s right about that art though, derivative trash.

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          That’s way better than what I have witnessed, there seems to be a meaning 🥲 !

          Seen for real:

          A car painted black.

          A rack of clothing.

          Magazines.

          Seen on the internet:

          Shit in a box

          Ejaculate on magazines

          The banana taped to a wall, sold for a lot is probably a try to laundry money or similar though.

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            I was being a little tongue in cheek because you were having a laugh about what you think of that art movement.

            Postmodern art is better enjoyed with context. A urinal signed and put on a pedestal doesn’t mean or look like much of anything, but it’s more impactful when you understand the intention behind it –Duchamp and his fountain are worth reading about even though he pre dates the movement so it’s a little beside the point but he’s kinda the grandfather of the movement, so whatever he’s cool.

            Classifying something as postmodern art isn’t about a shared aesthetic like renaissance, cubism, or pop art. It’s focus is typically less about the craft and more about the message. A lot of the time it’s mocking the status quo or the art world in general, other times it’s making a challenging statement in a challenging way.

            “Comedian” or the banana taped to canvas seems like an artist phoning it in because their name has the value not the art anymore. Maybe it is just being silly and that’s all there was to it from conception to execution. On the other hand they worked on that for months, obessing over the type of tape and placement, chose the banana because it is iconic while also high risk to be wiped out from climate change and unveiled it in a studio in Miami.

            If it’s only the former and this is a meaningless money laundering scheme like you suggested (most people laundering money don’t want global attention for only $150k). Even if that’s the case, we’re still talking about it 5 years later. So the purpose if art is fundamentally creating something greater than the sum of it’s parts then they fucking nailed it.

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              In my book, if you have to explain it, it’s not art, but eveyone can obviously have their opinion. And yeah I know about the toilet :-p

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                8 months ago

                However you want to enjoy art is cool, but narrowing the definition seems like an arbitrary reason to limit what you can be open to enjoy. Context≠explaining it, though.

                Didn’t mean to art-splain at you by the way, no offense intended.

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                  8 months ago

                  Yeah no offence taken!

                  And well if someone says aah say wine is art or running is art, I’d still enjoy it ;-)

                  What’s art? Vast debate.

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      8 months ago

      I find introspection the easiest part of hating myself, there’s so much to attack! Lol

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        I get you’re joking, but just in case there’s any earnestness there and you’ve been hurting your own feelings lately. I’d like you to know that acknowledging self loathing is honest introspection and a good first step, the self loathing itself is more like self harm and generally dishonest. If there is any honesty in it, try and practice more self compassion.

        Shit’s tough out here, you matter and people care about you. Keep going friend :)

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          I appreciate the concern! I joke about my issues, so it’s like 50/50 a joke and it’s real lol

          I have a very hard time with self compassion because I feel like it’s undeserved or a lie. If I hate myself for reasons x,y,z I feel dishonest expressing self compassion, I feel that the hatred is well deserved.

          I’m horrible with double standards though: you’re a human and humans make mistakes and can change, but for me I would attack myself relentlessly lol

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            Of course you’re welcome. I’ve gone through similar thought patterns and it sucks to be stuck in a head space like that. Glad you’re half joking, rooting for you to lock down that second half.

            Don’t be stranger if you need one. Good luck.

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    I would like art critics more if they were explaining things that they noticed instead of telling me how I should feel.

    It’s kinda cool to me that there are people in the world who can really nerd out on a given piece. Explaining the style, history, context etc. That is useful to me.

    Movie and book reviews are not like that however. Usually it is “I didn’t like this, you shouldn’t like it, let me rant about 20 things I didn’t like about it that are not really relevant to JUSTIFY my subjective opinion that is also objective and you are a moron if you disagree”.

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      Where are you reading your reviews? Most of the reviews and critiques I read online and in the odd newspaper skew positive.

      Comment sections are often negative I find, though. Case in point I’m only commenting to disagree with you, so… I guess I should watch what I say lol.

      Anyway hopefully you take this the right way. I feel like you’re referring to a source of critique that I’m blind to

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        Counterpoint there has been a measurable decrease in quality of most forms of media as more and more stuff are soulless cash grabs. It used to be that games shipped completed, now they ship broken cost more and expect you to pump even more money into them on top of that. The last move I saw that I cared about was Dune. Many of the restaurants near me have reduced their quality of ingredients and staff, now when going to the nearby sandwich shop my order is wrong more often than it is correct.

        What do we do when the world is measurably becoming worse?

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          Started out writing a somewhat long answer post, got a bit lost, there are lots of stuff to think about and not only about game development or global economy but media and consumption overall IMO.

          What about starting a community discussing the general enshittification of the internet and the world, but also good recommendations and ideas for well the future?

          I’m on, and if there is no neutral place where to make a community, I can provide one on my lemmy server if needed.

          Cheers and love to the crazy game developers out there!

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            I think a puzzle game in style of viewfinder where you can overlap your photos of objects to create more complex solutions, but the more times you copy the same thing the more blurry and less physical it becomes would be such a cool game.

            There have been really neat little things that feel short of a pearl but that is kinda the point. They get worked over and over again until suddenly its something amazing. Stories of wizards are nothing new nor are magical schools but yet we know of one big one.

            The problems I think also settle into drive and time for realizing the ideas. People complained of the “nanny state” of the UK in the 70s except it spawned massive musicians and artists. Also we need spaces to discover the new and grow it naturally, which there are fewer 3rd spaces and yet infinitely more from the internet.

            I always hope for something new and hope that through the noise I will find it. If that means somehow figuring a space for exploration and inspiration I think it’s much overdue.

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          Although mainstream media might be worse, there are stil lots of movies and series that are pretty high quality being released every year.

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            1. What movies would you recommend that have come out since Dune as that is the last movie I have been able to care about at all? This isn’t meant to be read as sarcastic, I’m being completely sincere I would like recommendations.

            2. I’m not going to lie I just don’t trust non-indie series any more. I can’t trust them to not be arbitrarily cancelled part way through, or to be ruined after one or two seasons. There are too many burnt bridges and broken promises.

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              1. Movies: Marcel the shell with shoes on, the worst person in the world, past lives, aftersun, everything everywhere all at once, the banshees of inisherin, licorice pizza, beau is afraid and I’m surely forgetting several others.

              2. For recent series, I can recommend: Severance, Atlanta, Scavengers reign, Fleishman is in trouble

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          Counterpoint there has been a measurable decrease in quality of most forms of media as more

          No. The past had plenty of trash just no one remembers it. Which gives you the impression that everything was good. Survivor bias.

          and more stuff are soulless cash grabs

          When was it not?

          . It used to be that games shipped completed, no

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)

          and expect you to pump even more money into them on top of that.

          https://creativetwilight.com/how-expensive-is-warhammer-40k/

          Also I am not sure how the lack of value adds = lower quality.

          The last move I saw that I cared about was Dune.

          I agree. That 1980s masterpiece is one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.

          Many of the restaurants near me have reduced their quality of ingredients and staff, now when going to the nearby sandwich shop my order is wrong more often than it is correct.

          Well what do you expect after 3 years of people screaming about having to wear a mask and reductions of immigration?

          What do we do when the world is measurably becoming worse?

          Start by using actual data not anecdotes. No one is convinced when you talk like that. It sounds like every old dude I knew growing up ranting.

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    Do critical critics exist anymore? I feel like I haven’t seen a good pan in ages. Maybe when Cats came out, but everyone dog piled that one.