If you are for Musk being tracked, you should be fine with her being tracked the same way.
I’m for anyone in a private jet being tracked.
I’m for no one having a private jet.
I’m for private jets to be used for target practice
Got cheaper alternatives for that.
A trebuchet can fling a billionaire up to 500m!
I’m for everyone having a private jet!
Aren’t all jets tracked?
Every civilian aircraft is required by air traffic regulations to broadcast it’s flight path and identifier.
So once a plane registration is publicly known to be owned by someone they can of course be tracked. Of course it doesn’t mean that the owner is on the plane, but it certainly let’s you gather how much they fly around. Turns out that Taylor’s jet is used a lot even for private jets, which obviously doesn’t make her look good from an environmental point of view. Now she tries to use her wealth to silence people tracking this and pointing it out to the public. Shame on her!
I’m thinking since the super bowl drama she’s probably getting more death threats than usual, and this is a reaction to that. It’s not going to work. You cant sue someone for publishing publicly available information.
Put simply, there are no “good billionaires”.
The irony of “all billionaires bad” is that Taylor Swift earned that money through album sales and live touring. She wasn’t actively exploiting the labor of workers in order to be rich, she is just that popular.
And before everyone jumps down my ass about my opinion sounding too conservative for Lemmy, I invite you to check out my post history.
The thousands of people making those records sell and shows happen:
There is no self made billionaire, a billion is an absurd amount of wealth a singular person cannot actually earn or be worth.
“To make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe” ~Carl Sagan
People payed $2,000 a ticket to see Taylor perform… that was their decision.
He’s talking about all the people working at the label and concert agency. Do you think the technicians and riggers whot take care of all the audio, light and show effects get more money at her concerts? What about the people doing the security, check-in, cleaning and so on?
Try having a concert without any of these. There is hundreds of people working to make stadion concerts happen.
… they do that for all the acts… doesn’t have much to do with how rich any particular performer is.
it absolutely does. every single worker that works under any labor agreement is making less than what their labor is worth. capitalism only works when you can make money off of how much someone is worth and not pay them the full amount. there is no incentive in capitalism to pay people what they are truly worth because that would mean no profit. she also profits off of countless years of technological advancements made by underpaid workers that allow her to have the production value and presence she has. i really find it hard to believe that people can’t just see the plainness of how this labor thing works. why would anyone start a business if they couldnt profit off of their workers?
What you are saying is generally true in practice, but not an absolute feature of labor agreements. In the simplest case, two people working together can create more value/profit than each working individually.
A genius programmer and a genius game designer will do better together than apart, and there are a lot of reasons why they might organize so that one owns the business and the other takes a paycheck. Add in a graphic artist, an audio engineer, etc, and they are probably not all interested in becoming part of the business.
On the other side of the scale are publicly owned corporation where holding stock has nothing to do with generating value or profits. That is the heart of what makes capitalism capitalism, when the possession of sufficient capital produces leverage over workers and inherently unfair compensation.
Your arguement was, she wouldn’t exploit other peoples labor. But in fact she does very much so.
She would be nothing without the labor of all those people, yet they see scarps of what she makes.
She has a specific reputation for supporting the workers who work her shows.
you think she get’s that $2000? how naive.
Does she get more than a performer who’s ticket is $100?
i have no idea, but it’s not Taylor swift that’s selling those tickets for that much, it’s ticketmaster/stubhub and the like. she likely gets X amount from the venue to play there and the ticket sales all go to the venue. that’s the way it worked at the 4 day music festivals I’ve worked at. we paid the performers X amount, that had ZERO to do with how much we were charging for tickets. They got no portion of our sales.
That’s how it is. Artists from the calibre of TS get a fixed amount of money for a complete tour contract from the tour management. Regardless how many tickets are sold or whatever the tickets cost. The tour management is responsible to manage everything with the venues, the ticket sale companies, and all subcontractors like stage riggers etc.
She wasn’t actively exploiting the labor of workers in order to be rich
What a sad state of affairs that you feel the need to “defend” yourself by claiming you’re not conservative. What the hell happened that we can’t have differing opinions without making blanket disclaimers?
At least here in the US, conservatism is associated with pretty much nothing good. Elimination of trans people (and then da gays after that), more guns, less healthcare, less education, less vaccines, less social responsibility, more taxes for the poor, less taxes for the rich, jailing people for getting abortions, furthering wars that we can feed our soldiers to for money, insurrection and fascism, fox news.
Distancing yourself from that dumpster fire is prudent.
Edit: The social responsibility thing was a dumb one. I was thinking of something else. Disregard that one point.
No, you were right about the social irresponsibility; it’s covered by the christofascist element
lumping everyone who believes part of those is not prudent either. I believe in thinking for one’s self. I believe in live and let live. You have ever right to be offended, but being offended means fuck all. I believe 2A is integral to our country and protects the rest of the constitution. I believe in more healthcare. our system is broken. but you can’t just flip a switch either. the system would collapse. I believe vaccines should be up to the individual, but the people making the vaccines shouldn’t make record profits off of them. They should also publish all their testing data and what EXACTLY is in them. We shouldn’t be forced to take anything. I don’t know what you mean about less social responsibility. I don’t know a single conservative that preaches more taxes for the poor. I think there needs to be a closing of tax loopholes so corporations pay their share, and the rich are not able to ‘hide’ money offshore. abortions should be legal up until the third trimester, except in cases of danger to the mother. If you simply can’t make up your mind in 6 months, then you likely have bigger issues. I think we shouldn’t hand out money in foreign aid and we should use that money to house, feed and educate our own population before we hand it out willy nilly all over the globe. if we are going to use the farce that our tax dollars are for defense, then let’s DEFEND our country, not bomb brown people and let any Juan, Mohammed, and Larry walk across our southern border in hordes and droves. Immigration is fine, but there’s a reason we have a limit. I think you should have to show a govt issued ID to vote IN PERSON and I think that ID should be free. I think there should be voting stations in every HS auditorium. Legalize 420, and let’s consider legalizing all drugs. Let the gays be gay, idgaf who you marry. While I think 90% of ‘trans’ people have a mental condition, who am I to tell them what to do with their body? I think it’s dumb af to cut off your tits or dick. But hey, it’s your body. But if you present as a man, but “identify” as a woman, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know? Put some effort into it Ze, Zam, Chaz, whatever. The world doesn’t revolve around you and your pronouns, get over it. I think pedophiles should be executed on public television. I think the people that brazenly do these “smash mob” style thefts should be put in stocks and publically humiliated. I think people like you misuse words like “fascist”, “Nazi”, “Insurrection”, and “Racist” not because you understand the meaning of them, but because they illicit a response that gives you the feeling of moral superiority.
Ultimately I believe that MOST people fall somewhere in between the left and right and it’s just the screaming extremes that make each side look terrible to the other. It’s also that screaming extreme on either side that shames people into agreeing with them, exactly how you seem to be doing in your post. Calling a group of people a “dumpster fire” because they have an R or a D next to their name is extremely naive and childish and just as dangerous and you seem to think people that don’t think like you are.
In full recognition that I am similarly guilty, bullet points would make that digestible. Just a consideration.
So lets both distill this down. I can kinda spot a few agreement points in there (taxes, don’t be a dick to LBGT folks) and a dissonance between the voter and the representative (see: the last time R’s got a big tax bill. More taxes for the poor, fewer taxes for the rich) which is similar for both parties (arguably more severe on one side, but I digress).
2A, immigration, taxes. These are all legit political discussion points and would be so much better to discuss than whatever culture war nonsense is going on. That don’t actually get addressed by legislature (see: R’s, this week, throttling their own border bill to make Biden look bad. They explicitly described it as such, so clearly they don’t actually care, but when did we expect them to).
There is no conspiracy to place Taylor Swift at the super bowl. Fauci did not do… whatever it was the crazies accused him of (D’s had a good number of crazies there to be fair). The border crisis is a nothing burger (not to say immigration reform isn’t a thing, just the hype). These are the talking points I hear from the R’s. How am I supposed to take them seriously. Especially when I, as a gay man, am expressly on the list of things they want to make illegal?
I watched January 6th. On their streams, it was right there. I imagine it was a big day for Twitch and others like it. There was no question what was happening, and many people have explicitly gone to jail for insurrection. This is not debatable. It has been adjudicated in court. And Trump told them he loves them and that they should “stand by”. I watched it live. Some number of them were rubes that were tricked* but there were people setting up a damned gallows and shouting for Pence’s neck. Even if the rubes didn’t like it, mob mentality is a well studied and powerful thing. It was an insurrection. A relatively pitiful one, but that’s what it was.
Trump has expressly stated he wants to be a dictator ‘just for a few days’ at the start of his term. Because that’s how that works… He wants to jail reporters and political opponents. There is no shortage of statements that are about as undemocratic as you can possibly be. Tell me how he isn’t a fascist?
Even if you don’t like Trump, the R’s have fallen in line behind him. I’m not talking average people, plenty of people are conservative and don’t support all that nonsense. But the legislature isn’t the people. And it’s full of people that are challenging each other to duels on the floor of congress and shit (I think it was a state congress, but still). MTG and Boebert eat up air time with their crazy. Gym Jordan is a crazy fucker who was an accessory to sexual assault. The current speaker sends notifications to his son every time his masturbates. This list goes on.
So yeah, in normal times, I’d agree that judging by R or D is a bad move and that generalizations are bad as a rule. Both sides are using their positions to enrich themselves so it’s not like there’s any high ground to go around. But damn me if I’m not voting for anyone that associates with the side that would rather my loving committed relationship to another man be illegal for… reasons?
Side note: neopronouns are a non-issue. I’m an active member of my LGBT community in a major city and I’ve never met one. And using someone’s new pronouns (on the subject of trans folks) is just a matter of being polite and is not onerous, most only get pissed if you purposefully use their pronouns incorrectly. Worst I’ve had is being corrected when the wrong word slipped.
When you state something that is in line with the statements of terrible people it is prudent to denounce those people or otherwise say you are unaffiliated with their overall platform.
Yes, people shouldn’t assume that you are saying more than you are, but it is still prudent to understand that people will make those assumptions. It shows self awareness.
Normally, I would agree with you. But conservatives have been getting more fascist and have been making more calls for violence over the past decade. It’s a good idea to separate yourself from them if you don’t agree with those points.
But conservatives have been getting more fascist and have been making more calls for violence over the past decade
how many riots were carried out by conservatives in the last 10 years?
The most well knows is the January 6th riot in DC. But I don’t think that’s the best metic for violence.
How many rioters have actually killed people?
Then how many conservative police officers have killed unarmed suspects? What about during liberal riots? How many women’s lives have been lost due to abortion bans because of conservatives? How many people have died because of lethal measures taken at the us/mexico border because of conservative policies? How many Palestinians have been killed by conservative Israeli Zionists? How many Ukrainians have been killed by conservative Russians? How many people have been killed by conservative Filipino police? How many Rohingya have died in Myanmar?
How many Palestinians have been killed by conservative Israeli Zionists? How many Ukrainians have been killed by conservative Russians? How many people have been killed by conservative Filipino police? How many Rohingya have died in Myanmar?
No bearing at all in this conversation. We can do nothing about those in other countries. But good job deflecting the question.
You are the one limiting this to the US
If this one action makes her a bad person, then there are no good people, which then of course would mean there are no good billionaires.
“that one action” lol
She is basically the worst case of private jet usage and leading the list of such individuals, while somehow advocating for the environment.
This is just ridiculous.
And she is trying to fuck that guy up for “stalking” and “harassment”, just for showing public data.
On top, for whatever reason, she had 2 private jets flying around until now. Seems like she sold one this month.
I’m don’t want to defend her use of a private her, but it seems like a ridiculous puritan test if that this makes her a bad human.
Just such an incredibly weird statement to make that Taylor Swift of all people is the threshold for finding any good in the world, and if she’s not it then no one is.
This is not at all what I said. I said the metric used here to paint Taylor Swift as a bad person requires a level of pureness that would mean pretty much everyone is a bad person.
I have no idea whether she is a good perspn, but I do know that “she flies in a private jet and her lawyers sued someone because they claim it is a threat to her safety… So she’s a bad person!” Is a terrible argument.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
We all suck, there’s no good in humans. Maybe we should stop looking at humans, dogs might be a good place to start after all the comments I’ve heard about us not deserving them.
Where we disagree is that I don’t think all humans are bad. We all do sucky things from time to time; no one is pure. Additionally it’s often hard to see why someone might do something if you don’t share the same experiences, so it might seem evil to you.
What I see happening here is that people want to hate her because she’s rich, and by golly anything they can latch onto to confirm that desire to be true will be trotted out.
But we certainly agree dogs are pimp.
Alright you’ve been on a roll lately Swifty, but imma call you out; transponders are public information.
Yeah, she’s generally a decent person, but she’s just in the wrong here.
She’s generally good at managing her public persona, except when it comes to her
pollute more than a small city machineprivate jet addiction. When people show you who they really are, believe them.She also showed who she really was during the SAG-AFTRA and WGA strikes: someone who agrees to union demands, which was why she was allowed to release the best-selling concert movie of all time during the middle of the strikes.
On top of that, she got thousands of her fans registered to vote.
People are complicated.
I like that she singlehandedly proved the union demands were reasonable.
Not to take away from one of the most powerful people on the planet*, but a decent number of companies did that. I want to say A24 almost immediately agreed and that is why they were able to keep making films during the strike.
*: Jesus christ. How did Taylor Swift become one of the most powerful people on the planet?
*: Jesus christ. How did Taylor Swift become one of the most powerful people on the planet?
You ever tried saying no to a teenage daughter?
“People are complicated.”
Very much agree with this sentiment. I feel, too often, this gets lost in discussions. People will do stuff we agree with, and then they’ll turn around and do something we disagree with. It’s fine to praise and simultaneously lambast 'em.
It’s pretty healthy, IMO. Seeing the fuzzy set of actions that people take that you agree with and don’t agree with as part of a whole person is a sign of maturity mentally.
Having to cleave people into “the Madonna” and “the whore” or the “good object” and the “bad object” is in the mix for a variety of mental problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
which was why she was allowed to release the best-selling concert movie of all time during the middle of the strikes.
When you put it like that, it doesn’t really sound like she was doing it out of the goodness of her heart.
I mean, just because she benefited doesn’t mean hundreds of others also didn’t.
Sure, I’m not saying it’s wrong what she did, just that it’s not a good way to judge her character.
Because she knew beforehand how it would do?
Yeah, I imagine she had someone crunch the numbers and figure out that it’s worth it to agree to the union’s demands to get a premiere in the middle of the strike AND the good PR. Sounds like a pretty safe bet.
Now mind you, I don’t really know anything about the situation beyond what I read in your comment. I don’t know what movie that was and I’m only somewhat aware there was a big strike in the entertainment industry in the USA. Just little pieces I caught here on Lemmy and maybe back on reddit too. I’m not claiming to have any particular insight into her motivations or anything, just that what you presented as her good side sounds very much like business acumen to me rather than philantropy.
Maybe I’m just a cynic.
Also pulled her catalog from Spotify to protest their scummy royalty payouts. They changed the payouts for everyone as a result.
She has a very good PR manager to keep her in such a good image. You know there are hundreds of people rooting for her downfall and are waiting for every slip up.
Anything Taylor goes straight to front-page, despite my efforts to block it.
Admittedly I don’t know much about her as a person, but how can someone who uses a private jet in 2024 be considered a decent person by any stretch?
Having such a ludicrously unsustainable lifestyle in a climate emergency that will kill millions and displace hundreds of millions in just a few decades is a crime against humanity, change my mind.
The same way a pediatric heart surgeon who also drives a Land Rover can be considered a decent person. People shouldn’t be judged on a single data point.
A land rover isn’t nearly as polluting and doesn’t drive nearly as far. More importantly, the heart surgeon isn’t a role model in terms of lifestyle aspirations for literally hundreds of millions of followers.
People shouldn’t be judged on a single data point.
It’s not like we’re talking about stealing some sweets from children or something. Climate change just gets worse and worse and worse until we reach net zero co2 emissions. As long as it’s culturally accepted to cause massive amounts of completely unnecessary emissions, we don’t have the slightest chance of fixing this.
The only way a decent person could be doing this is if they were completely uneducated about climate change and their impact as a role model.
Do you really think Taylor Swift not having a private plane is going to do anything about climate change when the real problem is major corporations?
When 100 companies are responsible for 71% of global emissions, why is Taylor Swift to be treated as a pariah because she has a private plane?
Neither the doctor nor Taylor Swift would make the tiniest dent in climate change if they gave those things up and we need to stop blaming individuals when it isn’t individuals who are the problem unless those individuals are running one of those 100 companies. Which Taylor Swift is not.
There’s always a supplier and a consumer. The pollution of these 100 corporations is caused on behalf of their customers who fund them in exchange for fossil fuels, directly or indirectly. They are both responsible, it’s 2 sides of the same coin.
Of course, much of this pollution isn’t really avoidable at this point. We can’t have 100% renewable power and electric cars tomorrow. Some really polluting industries will take decades to decarbonize, like steel and cement production. But this makes it even more urgent to adress the low hanging fruit asap, i.e. big sources of pollution that can easily be cut. Private jets are a prime example.
You could say just a few private jet flights or chopping down one single forest won’t make a dent in global carbon emissions, but that doesn’t mean that thousands around the world can keep on doing it indefinitely without consequences for all of us. Especially if they are idols for millions of people, normalizing harm to society that we can’t afford.
LOL 15 downvotes at time of this comment for you daring to say that she was wrong.
I think they’re downvoting me for saying she’s a generally decent person considering some of the replies I’ve gotten.
There is definitely some brigading going on.
Whatever. If people don’t like Taylor Swift it doesn’t bother me. To be honest, I’ve only ever heard one of her songs all the way through. She just has done plenty of good things. This is one of the few things I’ve heard about her that wasn’t her being a decent person.
I have also never knowingly heard her music. It’s not that I avoid her, I just have never listened to pop music in lieu of jazz, classical, or world. But she does seem to be an upstanding person for the most part.
Well, we got some overriding scenario blasting away all nuance.
It’s hard to be sympathetic toward a fundamental privacy limitation associated with flying in a plane exclusively owned by you. So in this context, it’s easy to equate “Leave Taylor alone!” with "it’s sad how she can’t fly in her private jet without being tracked, there’s nothing she can do!’
Now broadly speaking, I get that a lot of unreasonable piling on is coming with it, but the private jet is a symbol of excess and environmental harm and it’s inherently a risk to hop into that whole mess. Particularly when she could charter private flights to the same effect without the tracking (still excess and environmental harm, but at least obfuscated from public eye a bit).
I never said she should be left alone or that it’s sad that she can’t fly without being tracked.
I don’t care if she can be tracked when she flies. I said she was in the wrong here. All I said was that she generally comes across as a decent person.
Yeah, unfortunately, it’s the internet so we don’t take kindly to nuance around here.
nah shes a cunt like any other billionaire who deserves to be devoured by the starving masses.
And transponders transmit. With a significant amount of power in fact.
Weird, it’s almost like they have to to have any usefulness.
At all.
You can’t stop the signal, Mal.
Never meet your heroes.
I don’t listen to her music, I’d hardly call her my hero.
our hero.
Okay
Its a bit more complicated than that.
Traffic cameras are usually publicly accessible. You are also, generally, allowed to take pictures of people when they are in public spaces where there is not an expectation of privacy.
So at what point of this is the line crossed?
- Seb in space’s car was spotted driving down Main Street at 4:13 pm on Tuesday
- Seb in space was next seen on 1st street at 4:15 pm
- …
- Seb in space was next seen turning off into the Hairy Palms apartment complex at 9:12 pm on Tuesday
- Seb in space was seen leaving the Hairy Palms apartment complex at 06:00 on Wednesday
That is where this gets pretty murky. Because we all more or less acknowledge that parparazzi taking pictures of everyone leaving an airport are assholes (unless it is about figuring out if The Rock is going to come do PR to distract people from the WWE sexual slavery scandal…). But we have no issue with knowing that without even needing to send someone over to see who got off the 1235 LAX->DFW flight.
And while my initial stance is “fuck the super-rich”: I am allegedly part of a private chat for “people in tech” to give each other a heads up if we see a CEO getting off a flight. Because if your boss is pretty regularly visiting Facebook HQ and not telling anyone? That is the sign that you need to refresh your CV because you might get layed off after an acquisition/merger. There are definitely business reasons for not making it trivial to track individuals.
So yeah. I am going to side on the stance of “if you need to travel secretly, wear sunglasses like the rest of us”. Or, if you are too famous to even risk that, at least use one of the private jet companies rather than owning your own. But I also think this is something that we need to actually consider from a legal and privacy standpoint and it is a lot more complex than that.
I don’t think your analogy works, because, as long as you know the plane’s identifier, you can just type it into a website and see where it is.
That’s all you have to do.
How do you get that identifier for Taylor Swift’s plane? That part I don’t know and maybe that part is where her case lies, but I have a feeling she has no case or Musk would have tried the same thing.
Anyone can write a trivially simple program to analyze license plates (or even car profiles) and feed it traffic cam footage. I’ve done that for poops and giggles (never pushed since it was sketchy). Have broadband and a few medium sized computers and you can process the entirety of a state’s traffic cameras. At which point, it is trivial to track 455M4N’s '92 buick.
Where can I find live traffic cameras with high enough resolution to read license plates? I’ve only seen traffic cameras with something like 320x240 max.
You know how back in the day, Mythbusters would joke about “adding blah”? Or how a lot of chemistry and engineering youtubers won’t provide the exact specifics once they start working with a gun or something meth adjacent?
Its one of those things where if you have the basic understanding of how these systems work, you can find it pretty trivially (or work around things). And if you don’t? Then you really don’t need to know.
That’s a lot of words to avoid saying you’re talking out your ass.
“Yeah, I could totally tell you. Honest. Promise. No I can’t because… uh… I’d have to kill you.”
That’s still not the same thing because the FAA is a federal organization and you’re talking about something you can only do in certain municipalities. Traffic camera footage is not available universally and a city may not even use them.
Hmm. Its almost like
But I also think this is something that we need to actually consider from a legal and privacy standpoint and it is a lot more complex than that.
Just because you can do something or it is even legal to do something doesn’t mean you “should”. That is why it is important to reassess laws and the like from time to time.
That’s fair, but that’s a discussion about how accessible the info should be. If it’s public, it’s public, and the public has equal access to it. If it shouldn’t be that easy to access, we fix the system, not punish the users. And suing is punishment/aggression, regardless of the outcome. Self defense isn’t free.
Unfortunately, the way the legal system adapts is through precedent.
“Optimally”? That kid drops it before any legal action is actually followed up on (no harm, no foul). Then they and Swift work with the various lobbyist/activist groups to push this farther on their side.
Or the kid is an idiot and it goes to court and we begin the appeals escalation right then and there.
I feel like your example is way more granular than what is going on here. It’s more like ‘so and so has arrived at this city airport now’ and within an hour or two they could be anywhere in a fairly large radius without anyone reporting their location. Also there is the fact that this is ‘punching up’ which is often seen as ok.
I don’t pretend to have an answer here, but it’s hard to feel sorry for celebrities.
I am suspicious as to whether that is a “legit” site at all…
But yeah. Even mentioned below. It is REALLY not an insurmountable problem. But apparently people don’t understand why people might not want to give step by step instructions for how to do something that, in my opinion, is fundamentally “bad”. Can’t imagine what would happen if Mythbusters talked about “adding blah” or Burn Notice did the “and other stuff” short hand for “Yo dog, this shit is not something we should explain the details of”
I’m pretty sure that’s a legit site. It’s a product being sold by TransUnion which is one of the big credit reporting agencies.
LOL 6 downvotes as of this comment. Fans are gonna fan I guess.
Im seeing ~300 up
It’s public information. If you have a problem then stop flying around in your fancy fucking jet.
God damn rich people. Fuck em all.
nope. sorry taylor. if your plane’s tracking information is public knowledge it’s allowed. if it’s good for elon it’s good for you too.
You figure she’s savvy enough to know about the Streisand Effect. I guess not.
ADS-B data is public. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy. I grew to respect her recently, but in this matter, she is full of shit.
Looking forward to her new, highly-relatable single, “Why you gotta track my jet?”
Elon Part II
If she had simply not said anything, no one would be talking about it
Way to go, Barb!
She’s not doing anything, her team is. She probably isn’t even aware of it.
Crazy how she’s rich enough to waste money on this without even realizing it while children are starving to death lol.
Woman who made over a billion being a public figure upset she is now a public figure.
Sorry, no privacy for private jets. I don’t care about the “danger.” She can fly commercial in business class or first class if she wants privacy.
Her Grammy speech was literally “I love doing this, thank you for giving me the opportunity to do what I love.”
Bitch, if you don’t want people to track you then fly first class.
They can charter jets and travel in greater luxury without having a tail number assigned to them personally. When I become a multibillionaire I will charter jets.
My step father is a private plane pilot.He owns the plane and rich people pay him to fly them places.
You’re right, rich people like Swift don’t need to own a jet themselves. It’s very easy to find jets to charter and likely cheaper because you’re not paying to maintain a plane.
So she can stop complaining about her silver spoon not being polished enough.
She can also rent a private jet.
Renting a jet is just as bad for the environment as owning one
Yes, and that’s a problem.
Her complaint about her jet being tracked would be solved by renting as those companies tend to be rather quiet about who is on which plane at any given time.
Be a lot cooler if she had her own train car.
While true, the topic is about tracking, and as a pragmatic option this would bury her travel in obfuscation.
If it were just about tracking environment, then having the popular tracker be just an odometer rather than specific paths would show the point without the scary tracking vibes.
Of course, this suggests the tail number is somehow well known and thus she’s got a problem regardless of this specific tracker. Once the tail number is known, all semblance of privacy is out the window.
You don’t seem to realize that these people are targets for verbal and physical harassment and assault. That’s exactly why she’s worried about her whereabouts being tracked.
taylor swift publicly has a tour schedule that anyone with internet access can get. and I’m sure that these places have airports. and flight logs are public. it’s not hard to figure out what plane left from the city she was in is going to her next tour date.
if she, the most famous and richest white woman on the planet doesn’t want her movements tracked her movements would not be tracked.
taylor swift publicly has a tour schedule that anyone with internet access can get.
Yes and she has security that escorts her every where she goes. That gets a lot harder in a metal tube 50k feet in the air.
and the flight logs are public
Yes that is the issue we’re discussing, thank you.
Do you think someone is going to try to shoot down her plane or something??? She still has that security with her right before takeoff and right after she lands
Note that her private plane is a bit separate and I think flying a private plane means your privacy is screwed unless you absolutely know your tail number is a secret.
On the matter of tour schedule, that may be a matter of ‘professional’ versus ‘personal’ time. While doing her professional act, well, her whereabouts are obviously well known and extra precautions and vigilance are part of the cost of doing business. During ‘off’ time one might reasonably hope for being able to let your guard down a touch when you get to your rural mountain cabin that no one should know about.
Again, using a private jet as means of transport throws that out the window, but the concept that your work itinerary being widely known implies that of course your personal itinerary is fair game is not something I can get behind.
Oh, poor Billionaire that can afford 24 hr private security! /s
I don’t care. She has other options, anyway. She can’t have her cake and eat it, too.
Oh, poor Billionaire that can afford 24 hr private security!
Yes she can, she can also afford a private jet to fly her around. Not sure what your point is.
Private security ain’t gonna do much in a sealed tube 10k feet in the air.
She has other options, anyway.
Such as?
Yes she can, she can also afford a private jet to fly her around. Not sure what your point is.
Choices have consequences. She chooses a private jet that will have an ADS-B transponder that will thus be linked to her travel. That’s just how it works.
And you are complaining she faces violence threats. My point is, she can easily mitigate them.
Private security ain’t gonna do much in a sealed tube 10k feet in the air.
Stalkers aren’t going to do mush there, either. What danger do you think she faces in the air?
Such as?
Fly commercial. Much harder to find when you could be on any of dozens of flights. Also, she could charter different jets. People might still find her from flight plans, but it would be much harder.
That’s just how it works.
We all know how it works. I’m suggesting maybe the way it works should change to improve safety.
And you are complaining she faces violence threats.
I’ve “complained” about nothing. You’re imagining things.
My point is, she can easily mitigate them.
Would you care to make a suggestion?
Stalkers aren’t going to do mush there, either. What danger do you think she faces in the air?
I literally just explained that in the comment you just replied to. Verbal and physical assault and harassment while in a sealed tube tens of thousands of feet in the air.
If you’re just gonna go on and on while ignoring that little fact then there’s no need to carry on this discussion.
We all know how it works. I’m suggesting maybe the way it works should change to improve safety.
I do not believe the current system is unsafe. This is 100% her not liking the articles about her massive carbon emissions. If anything, we should further expose these megapolluters.
I’ve “complained” about nothing. You’re imagining things.
Oh, going off a semantics! Whatever. You certainly are stating it.
Would you care to make a suggestion?
I did. You ignored it. What do you think paid security is?
I literally just explained that in the comment you just replied to. Verbal and physical assault and harassment while in a sealed tube tens of thousands of feet in the air.
How on earth are people verbally or physically assaulting her on her private jet? It is literally only her and her entourage on board. How does being able to track her flight lead to someone able to assault her on board? You make no sense
Hell, even flying commercial, they will land the plane and place the offender under arrest. They will restrain you in the meantime. They carry zip tie handcuffs and tape to secure disruptive individuals. Celebrities fly commercial all the time. Aside from maybe stares or people asking for selfies, they are perfectly safe. But that is part of the deal of being a celebrity. She is well compensated for it.
And I am ignoring nothing. I just wholeheartedly disagree with you an every point you have made.
How on earth are people verbally or physically assaulting her on her private jet?
I said that clearly in reply to your assertion about flying commercial.
Hell, even flying commercial, they will land the plane and place the offender under arrest.
I mean that’ll be wonderful like, 12 hours later.
They carry zip tie handcuffs and tape to secure disruptive individuals.
Who? The flight attendants? This is their job now?
Swift just walking into a public airport would cause an immediate security nightmare.
But that is part of the deal of being a celebrity. She is well compensated for it.
Great, so basically “she deserves it” is your response?
She could take a train.
Stop using the jet and this won’t be an issue lol
I’m on team Florida student.
Same.
Track them all. Elon. Other Billionaires. Government using our taxes for private planes.
Is everyone else sick of hearing about T Swift? I don’t have anything against her, just don’t want to see or hear her any more.
Filter out her name. I filter out certain keywords, like musk, tesla and kanye.
When was the last time you even heard about Kanye?
He went all anti-Semitic and then he disappeared from everything.
They haven’t heard about Kanye, because they filters out that name, duh!
Good.
You mean the reptiloids are holding him hostage under a Pizza store in New York, or whatever the current conspiracy is.
Sadly, having “X” as a filter filters out more than what “Twitter” used to. It’s really a dumb fucking name.
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