And here in Sweden were I live it’s just 1.41% :(
People are dumb here, they buy apple.
"Hey look at my new iPhone that costs 20000 sek and can’t do anything important better than the last five previous iPhones "
But it’s really fast at idling in people’s pockets.
I admit the MacBook air has a nice cpu, it stays cool. But most people don’t use anywhere near what the cpu is capable of.
And now imagine here in the US where every single person has an iPhone and everything Apple. They are completely brainwashed.
Critical thinking seems to be a thing of the past… Maybe it’s because they feel like we are on the end stretch of society anyway, may as well enjoy the days left.
20000 seks hehe
Better than using windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your Fedora must be huge!
It’s amazing to me in 2024 we still have fanboys saying this shit ad nauseum since 1995.
Linux is a shitty desktop environment unless you like to tinker. Apple and Windows provide a far better experience to those who want shit to just work and be compatible.
Odd. What distros have you had such poor experiences with? What sort of things do you use Linux for?
Mint has been tinker-free for me for years as my main desktop. I have had Mac and Windows laptops during that time, as well. But I rarely use them for any of my hobbies.
I use it to actually do stuff so the last thing I want is tinkering getting in the way of that. And it hasn’t for years.
Now, to be fair, gaming is another story since not everything works easily.
Anyway, I doubt Mint is the only distro that doesn’t require much fiddling with.
Things have come a long, long way since the 90s (I was using Mandrake at that time).
For example, the install process for Fedora and Mint are slicker than for Windows if you ask me.
I mean, my kid has been using Linux as her desktop since she was like 10 and she doesn’t seem to have any problems (except ok sure, stupid Nvidia …we went AMD with her new system). Granted she mostly just surfs and plays Minecraft.
I wouldn’t hesitate to set up a non-techie with one of the mainstream, stable distros depending on what they want to use.
I don’t think it is the year of the Linux desktop by any stretch but I do think the numbers will trend slightly up over the next five years as steamdeck-alikes get more popular and more progress is made on compatibility and natively written games, and as Windows enshittification continues.
I’ve personally had poor experiences with Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu, Manjaro and one or two others I’ve tried. Every single one required a few hours of tweaking in the terminal to get it even close to being functional, and I constantly found new things it wouldn’t work with (hardware, software, games, etc)
After about a week of being unable to use my computer as I’d like to (online gaming and photo editing) I went back to Windows.
Weird that so many mainstream distros would be unusable out of the box.
Nothing just works.
I run Linux, not because I think it’s great, but because Windows is awful, and keeps getting worse. Furthermore it keeps abusing its majority market share to get away with increasingly scummy behaviour.
My Linux experience has been a lot more tinker free than Windows. There’s a ton of distros to choose from for the uninvested, my 60 year old mum runs Linux at this point and the only difference is she stopped calling all the time for tech support.
Install Linux Mint with the GUI installer a la windows, done.
You are factually wrong unless you specify a distro. But even arch has arch install now.
Does the audio work? Including the microphone?
What about the Nvidia drivers? Wifi drivers? Printer drivers?
Maybe it works when you don’t do anything with your computer, but most people aren’t like that. Linux just really requires you to tinker more than other OSes. Sometimes that is a good thing, but never for a non-techy.
You will just have to come to terms with that.
I have never had to worry about wifi drivers, and my microphone has always worked out of the box with my computer.
Proprietary nvidia drivers are a bit trickier, but mostly painless.
Printers work flawlessly for me, I have a modern cheap hp printer, so I had low expectations, but my laptop running mint can print and scan with the built in applications.
Everything you listed would be solved if Linux was as mainstream as Windows.
For me, I don’t use Nvidia, WiFi works, old HP printer works, just need to install a package, a 1-year old Canon printer works out of the box on Ubuntu, but on Arch I need to extract the stuff from the driver .deb and place into the it into the right directories. Audio and microphone works flawlessly. This is the case on ASUS ZenBook, an underpowered ASUS Vivobook or something and a 2012 iMac, though on that one I need a modification to
/etc/default/grubto be able to control the brightness.
What???
Given the size of Estonia, I’ll assume that was the work of one single Linux supersoldier who spent the whole month entering homes at night and installing Linux on whatever computer they could find.
It looks a fish giving bass to mouth. See there’s the first fish on the left sucking the other one off on the right
U sicko
Let’s go India
Go India! duck yeah! Woohoo \o/
There’s never been a bad year for the Linux desktop. The share size doesn’t matter. So, yes, it is the year of the Linux desktop in my book and it has been that way for decades.
The share size doesn’t matter.
Gotta disagree with you there. Market adoption should be a primary concern of those who care about the Linux ecosystem.
Steam deck BAYBEE. None of the other pocket computers have my attention now if they arent built for Valves version of Linux
The more it’s adopted the more it will turn into windows.
No it won’t. The beauty of Linux is that it can transform completely to fit your needs.
Making Linux more noob friendly isn’t going to take away my custom terminal-centric tiling wm arch install.
More users = more developers = more options. Linux is already awesome, but growing will only bring more good.
Growing will also bring an increased attack surface and justification for writing malware for Linux due to market adoption.
It’s not all good, there is going to be an increased security vulnerability along with it.
And so will there be more people to look into and fix the vulnerabilities, specially if we can foster a bigger community of open source developers by being a healthier community overall.
That is less likely though. Nerds who like developing FOSS for hobbyist and ideological needs are already doing so and more users will likely only increase normal users into linux, not developers usually
This is exactly the “popular => bad” mentality that needs to die. Good products are good—and perhaps more importantly, bad products are bad—irrespective of their popularity. Linux is a masterpiece as a result of millions of hours of thoughtful and rigorous engineering, not the absence of its wide adoption on desktop. Windows is a dumpster fire as a result of millions of hours of reckless code vomit, not its ubiquity on desktop. See also: the Android operating system you know and (if I had to guess) love.
I use windows and it runs prefectly fine for me so I never said it would get bad… just become more like windows.
Windows used to be alright/tolerable like 3 operating systems ago, each new version takes features away and brings new bugs that are more and more annoying in their attempt to get a slice of Apple’s closed garden pie. Their auto sign in feature has caused me SO MANY headaches when trying to sign in with a different user
There will certainly be versions of Linux that will become more like Windows. I mean we’re seeing it already with Ubuntu. Android has been that way for years. But there will also always be community-made FOSS alternatives. And Ubuntu development will continue to trickle down to other OSs.
It already is. It’s becoming increasingly GUI-centric and technologies like Flatpak are blurring the differences between distros. (FWIW I think this is a good thing)
Like Windows, how? An operating system has dozens of properties that could be “like Windows”, please specify.
Market share will matter just for more support from manufacturers, software, and devices
Nah, an OS is only useful if its commonly used. Linux has never been useful for this reason.
Linux runs people’s cars, phones, routers, sometimes even fridges. And don’t even get me started on servers. Linux is the most useful OS on the planet. The desktop is just another thing for it to conquer.
You’re wrong though. Linux kernel might be running on all of these things, but Linux desktop OSes do not because they’re shit.
And why are they so shit in your opinion?
Lack of standards, compatibility and totalitarian control of a single person. Pretty much everything that’s important for a Linux kernel is lacking in userland.
We have standards like pipewire, xdg portals and wayland in active development that try to cover anything a desktop OS might need. Lately there has been a huge push towards them, as the standards they replaced weren’t future proof at all.
But I take it that you are more concerned about fragmentation of these standards. I can almost guarantee that a lot if it will just whither away with time. Noone wants to maintain ancient protocols like X11 anymore. We might have another turbulent few years in this transition, but the end result will be worth it.
And I don’t get what you mean with compatibility exactly. There are lots of ways to define that, and the Linux desktop is excellent in many of them. We have xwayland for legacy applications, loads of translation layers to bring together older graphics APIs under the main vulkan drivers, WINE to run windows software, etc. You’re gonna have to be more specific there.
Yeah, some things are getting standardized, that’s great. But many are not even on a roadmap. People still argue which init system is the best, lol. And don’t get me started on package managers…
As for compatibility, even if we forget about the apps, let’s just focus on some modern features. Multi monitor DPI settings work in some distros, but don’t work in others. HDR works in some, but not the others. DRM, proprietary tech, etc. Why the fuck things just don’t work everywhere?
Who is this single person controlling all the desktop environments and window managers? Oo
No one yet. That’s the issue.
Imagine being this passionate about being wrong.
Yeah, tell us more about it.
Stupid take.
Linux has some of the best device compatability because it’s baked into the kernel. Don’t need to download a driver in most cases, just update the kernel.
Plus it’s known to be a great os for a developer. Also the apt repositories or other repos make installing an app on windows store look like a toddlers first steps in comparison.
Oh and if you use an android phone then you’re using a Linux kernel.
The foundation of the Android platform is the Linux kernel. For example, the Android Runtime (ART) relies on the Linux kernel for underlying functionalities such as threading and low-level memory management. 4 May 2023 Platform architecture - Android Developers
I’ve been tinkering with it since the late 90s and running it as my daily driver both at home and at work for nearly 20 years now. It’s extremely useful.
It is only rivaled in its uselessness by templeOS. The only useful distro is tails which is good for drugs.
That’s honestly quite a lot, nice
The repo at the link doesn’t really explain where the data is from, does anyone know?
The URL saves ‘statcounterdata’ so maybe from https://gs.statcounter.com?
Which has Linux at just under 4% for Jan 2024, and if you include Chrome OS then it’s over 5%. link
Statcounter provides free analytics by embedding their code in your site. And their stats come from aggregating all the data from all the sites that use their analytics.
Wonder if Linux users block Statcounter at a higher rate than other OS users.
I’d assume uBlock Origin blocks it by default?
I’d think there’s a pretty high chance!
But also I wonder if Linux users are more likely to stray off Instagram and TikTok onto smaller sites that might use Statcounter?
Wow, I was just going to ask if it was 2% a couple years ago, then check the link. That is a really fast increase.
“Unknown” goes from 3 to 6% in the same time period, so I think technically it’s the year of the Unknown desktop. Sounds catchier, if you ask me.
That’s true, mystery is exciting!
2023 was the year of the Linux desktop.
- Got Discord and Zoom off the store
- Zoom screen and webcam sharing just worked
- Was able to even switch Bluetooth profile through GUI
- Essentially any game that didn’t use a kernel level spyware works
- Chromebook hardware in the $500 range is pretty good
- Must software is web based.
I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Install once, update weekly or biweekly. (It’s a rolling release, do it doesn’t have major upgrades like Windows 10 to 11 does) About a month ago I did an upgrade on my old laptop. Handled 2 years of updates flawlessly.
I left tumbleweed for alpine and artix because even if you always use
--no-recommendsfor package installation it seems to ship just too much bloat and I left it after it shipped some broken software I didn’t need anyway but must’ve affected system stability too severely, iSCSI iircartix
Wow, are you able to use the new s6 supervisor or service manager yet, or is it too early yet? I saw an initial post once but didn’t follow it’s development.
Sorry you had problems with Tumbleweed. The forums and subreddit are very supportive, no matter how you installed the distro. It’s actually why I moved to Tumbleweed from Arch.
tbh I simply haven’t tried it yet. OpenRC works really well for me though I haven’t looked into why I would switch to s6 either.
Wow damn 4% holy shit.
My reaction too. This is fantastic!
Until you realise it is mostly steam deck and indian govt office pc running linux.
Really curious about all those “unknown”. Solid piece out of everybody.
Year of the TempleOS Desktop
If profit and growth continue to be above all else, I don’t see why it wouldn’t gain a decent market share in the next couple of decades.
On the other hand, the Unix model of selling hardware to help pay for software development might breed a more competitive hardware space if there is a big enough user base.
‘Other’ rising by 0.01%
I moved to Linux last year, but from a Mac so not sure how much I’m moving needles.
Not much especially if you set up the desktop environment to mimic Mac os. Unless you do pc gaming, then depending on your hardware you get a big boost in available titles.
I switched to Ubuntu 22.04 on 2023-12-31. I had used a bunch of other distros back in 2008-2012, then got tired of manually tweaking things constantly. Things have come a long way and there are way more options to make things work. I don’t have to spend hours on the CLI or reboot frequently.
So yeah, I’m going to stick with Ubuntu for a bit, then switch to something else.
These days, you probably won’t need all that tweaking.
I’d recommend Linux Mint.
Isn’t Linux Mint just green Ubuntu?
Without snaps
Entire different desktop environment+no snap+yes flatpak+nice community+light
Honestly Debian would be a better choice if you want a rock solid stable experience.
True that. However, Linux Mint may have a better out-of-box experience.
Note: Debian is my favorite distro.
Linux Mint Debian Edition looks like a common ground for you two ;)
It’s certainly the year of the Linux handheld!
I switched to Linux last year so I’m doing my part
I’m trying my very best to love Linux but I’m having so much trouble with Mint.
I’m running a Mint vm on a proxmox to try it out and for some reason my back button and forward button on my mouse maps to the scroll wheel. The scroll wheel is mapped correctly. I installed Spice to improve performance and so far it’s amazing, but the mouse is annoying.
If I run RDP, it works perfectly, but the lag is too annoying.
Does anyone here have suggestions? Thanks.
If I were you I would install Mint on a second drive.
Pretty sure your issues aren’t with Mint they’re with the virtualization platform.
You can get a cheap $40 SSD and install the OS on that.
Be sure to unplug the windows drive before installing Mint to the other drive. Then plug the Win drive back in. Now you can use the bios boot menu to boot into either.
Be sure to unplug the windows drive before installing Mint to the other drive.
Why would you do that? Totally unnecessary. When Windows is already installed any Linux installation respects it without issues. The problem is the other way around, if you install Linux first and then install Windows afterwards on a second partition/drive it nukes your Linux bootloader.
Especially in times of M.2 drives (which are often behind the GPU) you only annoy people by telling them to unplug their Windows drive first. And they might want to use a second partition on that drive if it’s bigger.
always unplug the windows drive I’ve fucked my windows bootloader so many times because if your windows drive shows up in drive order before your Linux drive it’ll fuck with it
All I can read is “I don’t know how to install linux”
I would do that because the last time I tried installing a new distro it fucked my windows bootloader. So your statement isn’t universally true, sorry to say. I have only had this issue once on one distro. I have not spent the time digging into the underlying cause yet. It may well be distro related. I figured I would save a noob a potential gotcha, however.
