Justin Mohn, a 32-year-old Pennsylvania man, is in police custody after allegedly murdering and decapitating his father, claiming the latter was a “federal employee” and a “traitor.” Before his arrest, Mohn posted a 14-minute video to YouTube in which he displayed his father’s severed head, proclaiming: "This is the head of Mike Mohn, a federal
I’m not American, but your Republicans need to chill the fuck out.
That’s an understatement
But Antifa is the real danger, right?
my most favorite game when i find a conservative is to ask them point blank:
are you a fascist or are you an anti-fascist? you only get to pick one.
and they squiiiiiiirm
I like asking to play a game of who can list more politically-motivated homicides for each ideology and conservatives strangely never want to play.
I saw a post recently - pretty sure it was in nottheonion - of a screencap of a Fox News segment, where they were interviewing someone that the caption described as an “anti-anti-fascist”.
Though to be fair, Fox News viewers aren’t likely to put two and two together. Or, for that matter, realize that an anti-anti-fascist is just a fascist.
I got it right here, old bean.
Eh that’s like asking “Are you Pro Israel or Pro Hamas, you only get to pick one”
If the question is whether you’re pro/neutral/anti fascism, I think being anti-fascist is the only reasonable answer personally.
Anti-fascism is a political movement with a lot of political theory. Its not the same thing as saying you’re against fascism.
yeah if i was sitting in gaza. which were not.
i dont think its crazy to expect the electorate to know the definition of fascism. its also a bit hyperbolic to compare full on genocide with electing a fascist.
What I’m saying is that if you are asking a question that pigeonholes people into two categories sometimes they pick the worst one out of spite. It’s not really am indicator of what that person believes. Kinda like saying if you don’t support BLM you’re a racist, and guess what happened? A bunch of people started saying “well I guess I’m a racist now”
and guess what happened? A bunch of people started saying “well I guess I’m a racist now”
They were always racists. They just decided it was okay to admit it.
the two are not logically exclusive. a correct comparison is
“are you Pro-Isreal, or Anti-Israel” and “are you Pro-Hamas or Anti-Hamas”.
You are also so close to getting it.
Easy choice.
Worst made up genocidal criminal thieving country
Nope. Israeli citizens are not all bombing Palestinians, and Palestinians are not all Hamas.
You’re so close to getting it
Are you saying antifa is equivalent to Hamas?
It’s an equivocation trick. Not all anti-fascists are associated with the movement that calls itself antifa.
Are you pro-life or anti-life? You only get to pick one.
Fuck outta here with this nonsense. Stop trying to score points and try to have conversations with people.
Antifa isn’t a movement, it’s a label.
There’s no organization, no overarching political goal - it’s literally just a term for people opposing facism through word or action.
There’s organizations that use that label in their name (like antifa of XYZ), but there’s no movement to associate with - fox news made that the fuck up
Take this example “antifa blocks off campaign event”. Fox news reports it as “members of a group called antifa has…”
A more accurate description would be “a group of people describing themselves as anti facists has…”
When people take on the term, they’re not describing their alignement to a movement - they’re describing their motivation
All the conversations have already been had, this is just prelude to war
I would answer anti-fascist, but if someone asked me “Are you communist or anti-communist? Pick one” I would answer “neither”
Compulsory alliance is sort of a core feature of fascism so you really must be either fascist or anti-fascist.
If fascist government is in power, it will creat a system in which non-partisan participation furthers and advances the fascist state, so one cannot “opt out”. Since a fascist system won’t entertain neutral, the question “Are you fascist or anti-fascist? You can only pick one.” Is not inherently disingenuous.
Communism does not force people into supporting it, there “neither” is an acceptable answer to “Are you communist or anti-communist” in a way that cannot be applied to fascism.
Well, Communism doesn’t force participation as long as you don’t ask the tankiis, but fuck the tankies.
A great point well made.
If you live in a Communist state you won’t exactly have any way to “opt out” of it any more than you can just “opt out” of paying taxes.
non-partisan participation furthers and advances the fascist state, so one cannot “opt out”
The same is true of the UK monarchy, yet plenty of Brits are neither for nor against it.
I’m not familiar with the British Monarchy so I can’t really comment on how appropriate your framing is.
What I can point out is that your statement is logically inconsistent on its face.
One can’t be neutral towards a fascist state because the fascist state won’t allow one neutral. In such a condition, anyone who claims to be neither for fascism or actively anti-fascism is pro-fascism because the condition of fascist power will direct all the labour and efforts of participants to the support of the fascist state. In such a condition, pro-fascist is the default condition, and anti-fascism can only be achieved through conscious effort and educated and effective praxis. There is no neutrality. One is not neutral in the face of fascism simply because one declares to be so.
So, if the same conditions essential to fascism are true of the British Monarchy, then the nature of the political situation is stopping Brits from being neither for or against Monarchy. If your assumption that fascism is like the British Monarchy is true, then one could only be pro-monarchy, or achieve anti-monarchy through conscious and intentional effort.
In such a condition, anyone who claims to be neither for fascism or actively anti-fascism is pro-fascism
You are not making any distinction between those who would want a fascist state to endure and those who would be indifferent to replacing it with something else. But I think that distinction gets to the heart of the question.
You are also assuming that fascists and anti-fascists are only concerned about their own condition. Suppose you asked an American their opinion of Mussolini and they responded “He was terrible”. That’s clearly anti-fascist. But what if they responded “Never heard of him”? That’s neither pro or anti fascist, yet the neutral response won’t advance a fascist regime.
You could pick either. There’s no problem with having communist ideologies or being for capitalism.
There is a problem with fascism, it’s not comparable to communism. A closer example would be asking someone if they are a racist or not.
We should be taking a hard line at certain ideologies and anyone that hesitate is suspect imo.
The point is that “neither” indicates someone who does not agree with an ideology but also does not see it as a threat.
You are of course free to treat that person accordingly.
Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists! ISIS are Terrorists because THEY cut off people’s heads because of Ideological Disagreements!
Not even just people…his own dad. Who seems to have worked hard to give this douchebag what he has in life. And all it took was the scum fanning the flames of his hatred for ad money and airtime.
Republicans are literally CUTTING OFF PEOPLE’S HEADS because of Ideological Disagreements but they are NOT Terrorists!
They also get a pass because they aren’t brown people.
Why is it always republicans?
“We are all donestic terrorists”. The GOP had never been more honest, and probably never will be again.
To still be republican you’d certainly have to be a sociopath.
Because conservatives have hyperactive fear and disgust centers compared to liberals. They really do feel these emotions in a way that non-conservatives do not. I have concluded that it is a mental disorder to be conservative–it’s always projected insecurity.
If hexbear was here, they’d tell you liberals are just as bad lol. I agree that to an extent, but in reality I do seem them to be much better. Crazies just so happen to line up with conservative ideals, which essentially just boils down to just bigotry at the end of the day.
The day my instance updated to support instance blocking in the user config my Lemmy experience improved significantly
You’re generally correct as studies corroborated the feeling of disgust to be stronger on those on the right. But I wouldn’t necessarily put that to every single conservatives. I met many conservatives who are still sane. The term RINO is a thing after all, and the only conservative party I agree with is the German CdU.
Yeah… I dunno if the “sane” Conservatives are actual Conservatives. Like, hear me out, I know people who totally understand me as a trans person are perfectly supportive and totally grock leftist talking points and even support fairly socialist economic theory … But they still carry their identities as “Conservatives” because it’s a brilliant bit of branding. For all purposes of actual ideology they are actually progressive, but that word “conservative” strokes the ego in a very particular way.
People think “conservative” as basically just meaning “Not prone to extremes” or “careful and measured” or maybe even “liking change to be slow and incremental” or “fiscally moderate” … None of this actually describes modern Conservative party ideology but they definitely borrow off the synonyms for votes. Because everyone is primed to think of their veiw as carefully reasoned and non-volitile these “conservative at heart” types really don’t realize that they are being tricked they just like the pretty label and are willing to let themselves be hoodwinked.
Do you have a Background in Psychology or did you pull this Conlusion out of your Ass?
Fortunately for those of us who don’t have a background in psychology: the folks who are experts tend to publish their findings!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/
Highlights:
Political liberalism and conservatism were correlated with brain structure
Liberalism was associated with the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex
Conservatism was associated with increased right amygdala size
So what do those parts do…
Anterior cingulate cortex: error detection, anticipation of tasks, attention, motivation, and modulation of emotional responses
Amygdala: formation and storage of memories associated with emotional events / emotional learning; fear conditioning.
…so, yeah conservatives are literally, physiologically hypersensitive to fear, and more prone to acting on emotion. WHO’DA THUNK?!?
This is a legit question, albeit unfortunately phrased with fear with disgust.
I’ve fucking had it with unqualified people talking about stuff they don’t know anything about. If you don’t know anything about a Topic, you’re allowed to not say anything without spewing misinformation.
I mean, there’s a Reason i don’t give my Opinion on Climatechange. Because i know that i am not qualified to talk about it. I know from personal experience how much university teaches you and how much you miss if you didn’t study that Subject, so i’m not giving my Opinion on a topic i didn’t study. And i expect others to do the same.
It’s a good thing that I was able to read articles that professional psychologists wrote on the subject. But go ahead, be angry.
Then how about
- You link them when asked about your sources (or actually just link them when making such a Statement)
- You don’t present it as your own Opinion
And yes, I am angry. Angry about all these self-proclaimed Experts these days who think they know everything and know more than Experts who studied this Subject for years.
All those People who are Climatechange Experts but couldn’t even really tell you, what the Ozone-Layer exactly is.
Or all those People who proclaim a Genocide in Gaza, but couldn’t even tell you where or how a Genocide is defined.
If you’re not qualified, you’re allowed to just not say anything and not spew disinformation.
This is common knowledge. Your ignorance is not my responsibility. You could easily have looked it up yourself but decided to project your ignorance on us instead.
Your anger is yours, it has nothing to do with reality. It is something you should deal with through therapy, not by going on tirades against random people on Lemmy simply because you don’t have the experience and education to understand the things that they are talking about. We do not deserve to suffer your insecurity.
Every single example you gave has a great deal of evidence behind it. You do not like that, and this causes you pain. This is all about you.
Also references to Mao are probably not going to help you here.
I don’t even know where to start
You made an imaginary picture of me based off of two comments. Then you used that nonexistent, imaginary version of me to make up your opinon and write this Comment in which you call me “ignorant”, “insecure”, “inexperienced”, “uneducated”, and just all-round talk me down.
So do you now understand why i didn’t believe you?
Your Comment here is nothing more that baseless Slander and i have no Reason to assume you did any more “Research” for your previous Comment than you did for this one.
As such i do not see the Point in continuing this Conversation with you and will stop here.
This is so tedious that I am going to go ahead and block you. Take your fake outrage and go somewhere else.
Average Right-Wing behavior at this point.
What the actual fuck. These people are insane and a danger to society. The con movement is truly a cult.
This guy is quite literally mentally ill. He is not representative of the entire conservative movement. His classmates from a decade ago attest he had been going off the deep end back then.
Not all Republicans are mentally ill, but mentally ill people sure do love them.
He isn’t representative of conservatives as a whole, but the rhetoric pushed by many prominent Republicans is exactly the sort of propaganda to inspire these actions.
Mentally ill yes, but if you think he’s the only right wing person in the death cult, hoo boy.
Mental illness and right wing conspiratorial fear-mongering, like peas and carrots.
Mohn is the author of books listed on Amazon.com, including one called “America’s Coming Bloody Revolution,” and another titled “Poems I Wrote While Stoned.” He called for the impeachment of FBI director Christopher Wray last February on his Facebook page. In 2020, he wrote on Facebook, “#Yeezy for Preezy twenty-twenty-feezy! 2024 may be the first year I bother to vote.”
When touting the “America’s Coming Bloody Revolution” book on his Facebook page, Mohn wrote, “I believe the time has come for action.” He also wrote a book called “The Revolution Leader’s Survival Guide,” according to his Facebook page.
One of his book captions says that Justin Mohn’s “four year stay in Colorado caused multiple lawsuits and changed the possible outcomes of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election by exposing 3 Presidential candidates as corrupt which forced them to drop out of the race.” A 2017 book description says he wrote then-President Trump a letter, according to Levittown Now.
In 2023, he filed a lawsuit against the federal government that reads, in part, “Justin Mohn, a 2014 graduate of Pennsylvania State University, returns for the fourth time pro se to sue the United States for allowing him to borrow money to attend college without advising him he may not find satisfactory work as an overeducated white man almost ten years later.” …
He said that “the traitorous Biden regime” wants to send “America’s military overseas to fight for Ukraine and die in a Russian winter.” He also claimed without evidence that electors from both the Democratic and Republican parties wanted him to be president in 2020. He also claimed that there is belief that he is “the Messiah.”
https://heavy.com/news/justin-mohn-youtube-video-father/There are real dangers to spreading conspiratorial disinformation, it’s a call to violence for many mentally ill people.
It’s ironic that if you proclaim to be communist or anarchist, they’ll basically blacklist you, yet one of our political parties is also the largest organized hate group in the nation, and we just accept that as normal.
This dude LITERALLY pulled an ISIS beheading his father while basically giving the same talking points AS FUCKING ISIS.
Swatting, bomb threats, planting bombs, death threats, murder, mass shootings, election tampering, sedition, attacking government institutions. Let’s call a spade a spade. They’re a terrorist organization
This is not an edited photo. CPAC literally created and wore that banner of their own volition.
On one hand this is the internet so you shouldn’t believe everything you’re told/see. On the other hand I can see Republicans being stupid and tone deaf enough to actually do this…
This is far beyond stupid and tone deaf.
Here’s a phrase I wish I took more seriously when I was younger: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
It’s pretty easy to verify.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
And they have the gall to say liberalism is a mental disorder.
Say it with me now, “P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N”
…and even taking that BS at face value, an actual mental disorder is infinitely preferable to sober and calculated malice.
“No -your- brain is broken! I’m just plain ol’ evil.”
Most sane republican
It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.
Also when mental health problems’ reception in the society marginalizes you, you tend to seek for cults\sects and other such kinds of feeling of belonging to something without it being personal (because personal contacts are where your trauma is).
I didn’t read the article, but suspect he also lived with his father at that age.
I didn’t read the article
LMAO
He didn’t read it because he can’t read, be nice.
Damn, i am sorry. Anal phabets are really bad in life.
What? Does anything of what I said require reading it? Use your head for a difference
Dunno, didn’t read your comment
I wasn’t answering the article, you moron. And you were answering my comment.
Why are morons like you always so confident of being able to do irony?
Participation in a discussion requires your due diligence to at least familiarize yourself with the topic.
Does anything of what I said require reading it?
I think I’ve addressed that and you are playing dumb.
It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.
No, it’s about repoublicans. Trump specifically.
Also when mental health problems’ reception in the society marginalizes you, you tend to seek for cults\sects and other such kinds of feeling of belonging to something without it being personal (because personal contacts are where your trauma is).
Wild guess with no backing in the article at all
I didn’t read the article, but suspect he also lived with his father at that age.
Cool guess, but you could also have read the article.
Just shooting wild guesses and opinions under a very problematic topic helps noone and is lazy at best.
Wild guess
It’s not a guess, it’s a dependency connected to the wider subject.
with no backing in the article at all
It’s not about the article.
Just shooting wild guesses and opinions under a very problematic topic helps noone and is lazy at best.
My guesses and opinions are definitely better than those of apes throwing their own shit at another bunch of apes with weird red headwear.
Do you remember when those couple people tortured a developmentally disabled guy on camera because he liked Trump? Probably not.
I don’t like Trump but there are definitely crazies everywhere. I think dehumanizing people with different opinions about how to create a healthy society is the dangerous thing. Saying the other side are all monsters tends to turn people with mental illness into monster hunters.
It’s not about republicans, it’s about mental health.
Republicans are actively making it as hard as possible to receive help for or pro actively address mental health issues. They also actively shame people for such problems and want them to just shut up about it. So no, Republicans definitely bear quite a lot of guilt for such “tragedies”!
I was answering an opinion about republicans being more likely to cut off heads and spew stuff about immigrants destroying Murrica (because they all are secretly tribesmen with pipe and feathers hidden somewhere safe).
What you say is orthogonal to that.
Yeah, surely they do.
What you say is orthogonal to that.
How so? The primary audience for violent propaganda are republicans. The worst you can find on the democrat/left side are people saying you should beat up Nazis. And even that is hardly done by “official” news channels.
So yeah, currently fanatic republicans are a lot more likely to commit murder than anyone on the other side. Their fetishisation of guns to “defend them self” against the government alone makes sure of that.
How so? The primary audience for violent propaganda are republicans. The worst you can find on the democrat/left side are people saying you should beat up Nazis. And even that is hardly done by “official” news channels.
I think we should measure this both in periods when relative dominance is held by Democrats and when it is held by Republicans.
They feel themselves marginalized and act more aggressively.
Their fetishisation of guns to “defend them self” against the government
I actually like that little thing, when it’s presented like in Heinlein’s books.
I think we should measure this both in periods when relative dominance is held by Democrats and when it is held by Republicans.
OK, the same was still true under Trump. Both sides aren’t the same.
I haven’t said they are the same. But I remember calls for military takeover.
Again…. NOT a cross-dresser.
I’m sure the far-right is desperately searching for something “leftist” to pin on him while simultaneously applauding him in their seedy little Nazi chat rooms.
Not a drag queen.
Not LGBTQ+.
🤔
In fact, he was adamantly anti-LGBTQ+.
Come to think of it, a lot of other terrorists are anti-LGBTQ+ as well.
I’m sure there’s no connection tho.
US doing a bang up job of curbing that far right terrorism problem. At least this one wasn’t part of the armed forces.
This is a major argument for anti-fascist action. Liberal mainstream society has always been very bad at combating fascism because they desire calm and order and lawfulness which fascists can exploit. So besides “liberal anti-fa” using legal means like suing the KKK out of existence you also need autonomous anti-fa to prevent fascists from recruiting. That is why it’s legitimate to prevent fascists from speaking using “impolite” means, because fascists speech using clever lies creates fascist thinking. The right to free speech has to exclude hate speech.
PS: A very good book on this topic: Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It (link)
Liberal mainstream society has always been very bad at combating fascism because they desire calm and order and lawfulness which fascists can exploit.
Somehow the most calm and vegetarian liberal mainstream societies are also the least fascist, and fascism doesn’t grow there. So maybe it just works and your fixes are not required.
So besides “liberal anti-fa” using legal means like suing the KKK out of existence you also need autonomous anti-fa to prevent fascists from recruiting.
Why would you attack their visibility if the problem is their existence and visibility is a feedback allowing to measure it?
because fascists speech using clever lies creates fascist thinking.
Only if fascists use clever lies, how does one tell between “liberals” and fascists?
And also that fascist thinking is exactly …
The right to free speech has to exclude hate speech.
… this. Exclusion of rights given as a dogma.
You don’t need that, you can just allow people to not communicate with carriers of views they consider inhumane, but you still choose the most fascist way of countering fascism.
Also:
You allow you child to do everything, they might get wounded in one way or another, they might become somebody whom you wouldn’t want them to be, they might make mistakes, but they might also be happy.
You keep them locked (figuratively), and they won’t become anyone at all.
You make your own choices in between and they become closer to the latter, but conscious of what they could have been.
Somehow the most calm and vegetarian liberal mainstream societies are also the least fascist, and fascism doesn’t grow there. So maybe it just works and your fixes are not required.
Yes absolutely true. Fascism needs specific circumstances to grow. My thinking is that democracy needs prosperity, security and education.
Property: I mean a modest prosperity instead of precarious living like having a job and being able to afford a home and to raise children without working yourself to death and also without both parents having to work full time (or 2-3 jobs) and neglecting the children. Security: Not being at war and not in constant fear about terrorists and evils that besets society on all sides pumped through the media. Education: Media that doesn’t constantly deceive, obscure and manipulate you
Why would you attack their visibility if the problem is their existence and visibility is a feedback allowing to measure it?
I’m not interested in measuring it that way.You can measure it differently. But every time you let crypto fascists speak with their dogwhistles and whatnot they recruit people - depending on the overall material conditions of society too of course. But it is a naive view to think that people are pure or immune to recruitment by fascists. History tells us.
Only if fascists use clever lies, how does one tell between “liberals” and fascists?
Yeah good point. I’d argue that the current spade of fascists are mostly interested in grabbing power. Trump and the new GOP isn’t an ideological fascist party, they just use the mechanisms of fascism to gain power and serve their masters interests. Liberals use other mechanisms to gain power - which are shit too but they do not base inequality
But this explains why e.g. climate activists or pacifists view the current "leftist"parties in the US and EU as kind of right wing extremists. It’s not fascism, but… well.
And also that fascist thinking is exactly … … this. Exclusion of rights given as a dogma.
No, fascist thinking is a belief that inequality based on mythological identity is not just acceptable but morally correct.
What I said is that specific actions do not serve the underlying goal of free speech but the opposite. And it’s not dogma because we have strong psychological and historic evidence for this. It’s also law in many EU countries since fascism last rise.
But I agree that it’s far from ideal. And autonomous anti-fa action against fascist speech shouldn’t be legal either, but it has good arguments going for it. Ideally we do not have the socioeconomic conditions that creates fertile ground for it. You can see I again blame the mainstream establishment for trump even though the act shocked, just shocked and bewildered by all this. This is the core of why liberal societies are bad at combating extreme fascism.
You don’t need that, you can just allow people to not communicate with carriers of views they consider inhumane
I don’t quite understand what you mean here. But like I said, laws like that are not fascist, you could call them authoritarian or statism. But autonomous anti-fa is grass roots not authoritarian / statism.
On an unrelated note: The goal of free speech / that amendment is to allow accountability of those in power and dissenting voices to be heard. So that people can say what is wrong with the country and have a chance to be heard.
The current monopolization of news and social media under the control of a tiny minority of ultra-rich goes completely against the idea of free speech - at best they treat speech as a commodity and bias everything in favor of the most profitable speech (clickbait that leads to endless circular arguments and more ad sales). At worst someone like Elon Musk pushes his own personal uneducated beliefs about society. Quasi-Monopolization violates the 1st amendment imho.
So about your “let your child do some stupid things so they can learn”. That would require at least that they see the consequences of their action, and in this case it’s unimaginable suffering. And how couldl the learn if the media is captured by corporations? So I disagree, they should learn from history or from science. But corporate interest also launched massive anit-science PR campaigns because of climate change.
PS: Oops I wrote way too much lol
In short, my opinion on this exchange:
It’s a complex subject. I think there’s a bit of bias in the direction of wealth inequality in your view, and a bit of bias in the direction of skepticism of managing society by laws (I don’t trust a person to make the right decision for another person) in my view.
I think this guy is just fucknut crazy, not a terrorist per se. Either way though, it’s not a great look.
It’s not a coincidence that a batshit crazy person is spewing right wing insanity and not singing kumbaya with the lefties. Just saying.
Republicans are a threat to humanity.
While I don’t disagree, this person was also quite clearly mentally ill.
Now who is it that keeps cutting support for… Oh right…
There are many examples of mentally ill Republicans
And not many examples of mentality stable Republicans.
Another “lone wolf” that has nothing at all to do with the bog standard violent demagoguery of every single right wing talking head grifter I’m sure
What are you saying? This has nothing to do with the current republican party or their talking points!
Mohn also calls for the end of “all woke and gender ideology propaganda in schools and other public places
I’m sure it’s a coincidence…
Mohn spouts several far-right talking points, including:
“America is rotting from the inside out as far-left woke mobs rampage our once prosperous cities, turning them into lawless zones.”
" A fifth column army of illegal immigrants infiltrates our border"
Oh…
Decapitating a family member because there are men in your imagination wearing women’s clothes.
The only question now is if Trump will pardon this loyal foot soldier. ( /s )
I just want to take this opportunity to remind people how important it is to vote.
And also: Tell your Republican friends and Republican echo-chambers that if the whole thing is rigged as they say, then why should they even bother voting? Tell them to consider protesting! :)
If you don’t vote, then it’s people like this psycho who will get representation instead of you. If that doesn’t freak people out I don’t know what will.
