Lol saved democracy in Europe, if the rest is just as accurate then he indeed hasn’t been very active in office
I hate when people are making valid points, but to get their point across they add bs like that. It just invalidates the whole argument, just stick it the straightforward facts.
Call me when he brings out the trust busting hammer. It’s the one thing that touches on most of the problems in the US.
He needs to actually stand with Unions, actually bring the economy back for the working class, actually make homes and food affordable again.
The other shit is just dressing on the cake. Voters aren’t going to vote for him unless he can do that. They might vote against the other guy, but -
Jobs that don’t pay
A request to the police forces
A counselor the visits once a month
Killing some brown guy in a war we’re all tired of
Lifted a ban the next GOP president is just going to put back
Stopped a pipeline the next GOP president is just going to send DHS agents to guard
And protected land the next GOP president is going to unprotect
And continuing Trump’s abuses of refugees, more efficiently…
Ain’t gonna fucking do it. These aren’t the things we care about. We want to put food on the table for our families.
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Not just that. The reason it’s historic is that we have an historic amount of illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration because you have defined it to be illegal due to xenophobe sentiment.
Miss me with that shit - I’m an open borders guy.
The only TRUE anti illegal immigration position. There is no illegal immigration if it’s all legal. Based.
Let me guess: Open for legal immigration?
Are you people on drugs?
Fuck borders.
Not just that. The reason it’s historic is that we have an historic amount of illegal immigration.
I just read this as a defence of Biden’s border policy with something along the lines of “of course he has to secure the border, it is overflowing” argued on the basis of “illegal immigration has gone up”. Glad to hear I was wrong and also fuck fucking borders.
Nah. They’re claiming they’ve done something that people should see as good, but literally are doing the opposite.
Eliminate borders. Legalize drugs.
“Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe”
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves on either count.
yeah and im a big supporter (well relative to what I see on the internets) but obviously all of it is not attributable to him. All the same there have been more things that actually improve my quality of life over what any other president has done in my lifetime and all in one term with an adversarial congress. I loved obama but man he wasted a nice majority trying to play fair with a bunch of known cheaters.
Agreed, not sure a proxy war against Russia is stopping a cold war.
If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I’ll show you how.
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Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.
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Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.
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Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.
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Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.
The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.
My local democratic party texted me to ask me to consider running for office (I live in a very deep red state). I laugh at the idea, because I’m pretty sure that they don’t want a pro-2A anarchist and Satanist running under their name. My wife nixed the idea because she doesn’t want us to get firebombed.
We need people like you to run though, it’s hard to vote for it if nobody is running to represent the platform. Especially at the local level where it can make a big difference.
Lmmfao, they already made it clear why they couldn’t run (dems wouldn’t want them anywhere near their name), never mind that even if they did they’d never get anywhere near power. Just look at the treatment lukewarm Sanders gets for merely suggesting to tax the rich, just imagine what the propaganda machine would do with a self declared anarchist…
You people still don’t get it, do you - the system is running as it was designed to, you never were and never will be who it works for.
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To quote myself,
My wife nixed the idea because she doesn’t want us to get firebombed.
I’m sure you think that’s a joke. I assure you, it’s not.
Im not American but thinking about getting my citizenship before 2032ish (so out of this voting cycle and maybe the next) actually, the more I hear about voting for a third party is a waste, the more tempting it is. Not saying that because I’m trying to be an edge lord, or a trump supporter, or whatever else I’m sure someone will accuse me of - but because if your policy dept is so out of ideas that all you have is “vote for us or else… …you… will have voted for someone else. And they might be bad. Neener neener” then surely anything except the Biden/Trump dichotomy has got to be worth a try?
Then to top it all that my vote won’t make a difference, to either party, it’s just pro forma so we can flip between blue Reagan and red Reagan every 8 years like normal… like - how is that not an invitation to want to fuck the system and look at third parties?
If there was no point in voting for a third party because the I didn’t have to hold my nose because Democrats smelled good then you’d have no argument from me.
Voting for third party presently is voting for a spearhead with no spear. There’s no mass movement for it, thus no pressure to actually stand up to the massive DNC or GOP. That’s why leftists need to touch grass and organize, so that third party can be viable.
Getting the order wrong means more GOP fascism in office, getting the order right means an actual third party becomes viable.
That just encourages voter apathy.
The fact that you can say all of that yet still come back to electoral politics as anything other than a charade and a farce is mind boggling…
Playing within the limited rules set by those in power to give the little people the illusion of choice is NEVER going to change anything of any substance.
I don’t think you read my whole point. Voting won’t bring positive change, just prevent negative change. Positive change comes from actually touching grass and unionizing, organizing, and building up bottom-up movements.
Part of the issue that drives us to point out what Biden has done is that we often get a response of “BOTH sides are fascists and exactly the same, so why should I care?”, which then must be refuted.
Otherwise I agree entirely.
Nah, what you want to point out is that Biden winning is the most accelerationist outcome due to how few would accept his victory and how much the Republicans will attempt to sabotage the results.Trump winning will just usher in fascism without any fight.
Acting like the DNC would ever move to the left (when their “left-totally-not-fascism” is bringing in that sweet sweet oil $$$$$)?
I genuinely do not see a day where enough of the boomers are out of office to fix this shit.
3rd party is how we end the MIC
Mathematically, 3rd parties cannot work in the USA until we get rid of FPtP voting. The GOP outlaws other voting methods where they can. See Florida & Tennessee.
3rd Parties also don’t seem to want to put in the work required at lower levels of governance to be taken seriously.
If you could prove Duverger’s Law wrong, you’d be famous, but you can’t, so you’re just shouting into the ether instead.
Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.
I said the dems will never move to the left via electoralism, and without bottom up pressure, third party is a spearhead with no spear. You need to build up grassroots pressure from the bottom up for third party to ever be viable.
Leftists won’t vote for dems. Your point is invalid.
I’m voting for him as an avowed leftist.
Besides impeding fascism, his reforms on student loans mean I’ll be debt-free with $0 payments in 10 years. That is a material improvement of my life that I am infinitely grateful for.
But I still think he’s a piece of shit for aiding and abetting a genocide and would vote for another candidate if I meaningfully could.
Politics is nuanced. 🤷
I’m a leftist and I vote for dems, at least at the federal level or if a republican actually stands a chance of winning, and it isn’t a leftist vs an incumbent dem.
Your point is invalid.
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You can tell it’s a leftist meme because it’s an essay
Reminds me of this.
You don’t need to listen to far right nutjobs. They were never going to vote for any Democrat candidate.
You do need to listen to us far left “nutjobs” if you think you need our votes.
EDIT: Goddamn for a group that loves to call us "childish " moderates really don’t appreciate being told they can’t get what they want on their own and have to gasp cooperate with others.
The far left are absolutely insane, literally the point of this post. Look at all he’s done and you still get posts like this.
That’s the problem with the far left. They let perfect be the enemy of progress. It really doesn’t need a second thought. The voting system is broken, third parties will never hold significant federal power until it’s fixed, and even then, itll probably not make a damn bit of difference because the far left can’t get over themselves long enough to reach a compromise. Hold your nose and quit with the infighting, and maybe something might get better.
There isn’t leftward progress, just a steady liberal trend. Biden is great if you’re a liberal, he’s been doing exactly what he said he would, even if he hasn’t gotten everything he wants done. But for an actual leftist? Jack shit to move America to Socialism.
The leftist reason to vote for Biden is because he isn’t a fascist, that’s it. Biden is still just a Capitalist and won’t move America anywhere to the left. In case you haven’t noticed, the far left have been holding their noses and voting liberal for as long as there’s been leftists.
The actual way to move America to the left is pressure from grassroots movements like Unionization.
The ones that don’t hold their nose are the problem. We’d be in a different world if just 538 (more) of the 100k Florida Nader voters got over themselves and realized there was a pro-environment candidate that actually could’ve won had they just poked a different chad. Hope they enjoy their state falling into the ocean.
That’s the problem with our voting system. You can have ideals all you want but they are actively working against you if you’ve actually try to vote with them.
There won’t be any leftward progress as long as our government is made of a big-tent party (that includes the far left) that’s rife with infighting and a smaller party that doesn’t want anything but to distance themselves from the big party altogether that somehow manages to maintain enough power to achieve their goal of slowing them down.
That’s the problem with the far left.
Sorry I can’t hear you over your procorporate trash candidate.
How dare you have principles!
Since when is insulin $35? My prescription a month ago was almost $4k.
It depends on the company youre getting it from, but there is a coming price cap. Eli lily (as of last march), novo nordisk (as of last september), and sanofi (as of jan 1st) have all lowered their prices to the cap for insured, uninsured, and medicare patients. Those are the three largest insulin producers in the US, but not all of them. It’s been rolling out slowly over the past year.
I think it’s about to become price capped, I recall reading about it recently
That, and are you seriously paying 4000 dollar a month for insulin? Because those are maffia prices
Just FYI to a bunch of commenters here…complaining about something that he successfully did actually doesn’t dispute the post showing all the stuff he did. If you’re mad about how low insulin prices got you’re proving the point.
You forgot “saved 1 million acres of pristine untouched land from the harm of mining” https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/biden-harris-administration-protects-boundary-waters-area-watershed
Who created this Liberal porn?
How is it even US ‘liberal’? “Secured the border?” Wtf is this??
I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?
As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.
How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
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We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
Borders have not always been so precisely defined, and the strict, universal passport system we have today mostly came out of WW1
You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
What is this xenophobic nonsense? As if physical geography, population, culture, and language have no inertia. But more importantly, why are you concerned with demographic purity as your defining characteristic for a “country”? Why is maintaining this segregation important to you anyway?
Fair, I should have stated instead that “the free movement of populations has been controlled” since the dawn of civilization. Usually by guys with spears rather than by means of documents, true. But we live in a time with more freedom of movement than ever before, and the era of WW1 also happened to coincide with large-scale mechanized transport giving more people the option to travel than ever before.
As for the second part of your comment, rather than rise to the standard bait offered on Lemmy (“muh xenophobia!”) I refer you to my nearby comment, surely visible when you typed this one, that details several ways in which uncontrolled population growth has damaged my country.
None of which have anything to do with segregation or demographic purity.
I’m sorry that your government has failed to fund social services and regulate the housing market. I am unconvinced that this is the fault of migration
The DNC bots will always manufacture some existential crisis using fear to get people to vote for their candidate to further there economic agenda. With there not being a democratic primary they have made their choice to risk democracy itself. I will always vote against fascists but don’t shovel me a shit sandwitch and expect me to like eating it. They didn’t even try to give us the illusion of choice between shit sandwiches this time.
You read it here first: Trump is a manufactured crisis to drum up votes.
If it wasn’t trump it’d be something/someone else. I’ve seen this for the past 45 years. It’s the same every election. The republicans use the same tactic “if you dont vote for Bush the democrats are gonna take your guns away”. Every election recycle and repeat.
Check out a book called Manufacturing Consent and you’ll start seeing how your very own consent has already been manufactured.
I’ve also seen this. Gore was one of the most genuine public servants out there (which is apparent when you look at his congressional record), but he was caught in a narrative of “both sides are the same”. I believed that narrative at the time, but it didn’t take long after to persuade me otherwise.
Because they aren’t liberal policies, they’re leftist policies
I thought Lemmy was a liberal site, not a leftist site
Yeah, but it’s about messaging and PR. Many people perceive Trump to do better especially on economy, even though more debt is added to the national debt during his last presidency. People tend to prioritise economy more than other issues; and Biden isn’t doing anything to market himself and his administration that they’re do better on handling the economy.
It explains a ton about every story we’re presented with when we remember 9/10ths of the news (US at least) is beholden to shareholders. =\
Are people on the left saying this?
The 2 things I’ve really not liked about biden is he
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Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.
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Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.
Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.
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Hol’ up, we ended no knock raids?
His genocide makes all of that irrelevant. Would you vote for hitler just because he had good tax policies?
Welp I guess Lemmy was nice before the bots inevitably showed up.
bots are when you have opinions that genocide is bad, got it.
Joe “brown person slayer” Biden
As a foreigner, so far, the most significant thing he has done so far is enabling a genocide.
why is this getting downvoted?
