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    I gotta agree with cartoon Bernie on this one. Here in Utah the three big concerns of our upcoming legislative session are: how to ban more transgender people from public restrooms, how to prosecute women who may have had an abortion at anytime in the past, and how to ensure colleges and universities can no longer encourage diversity, equity, or inclusion under criminal penalty. I’m not joking, those are the main focuses of the upcoming session.

    Never mind that homelessness is out of control, housing prices are through the roof, drug addiction is at an all time high, and the great Salt lake is now nothing but a mud puddle that will dry up in five years’ time.

    More important to score political points with your witless white-ass cronies and mormon shit heads.

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      Yeah I feel like Republicans have been grooming Americans into slack jawed cultists with their war against, education, books, cultural diversity, etc. the government is a sad clown show

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      Do you understand how offensive that concept is to a market capitalist?

      They don’t even want to fund public schools, and they get a pre-literate workforce out of that.

      “Whats in it for me” would be our national slogan, if it wasn’t already “fuck you whether or not I got mine.”

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    American’s vote for the government and fund it with their taxes. To believe it’s a system with any other purpose than to serve it’s citizens is assenine.

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      Actually, citizens pay taxes to avoid going to jail or, in the olden days (perhaps soon to be reintroduced), to avoid being killed on the spot.

      They vote because when you are locked in a room with no way out, you’ll push one of the buttons in front of you frantically - trying to figure out if, perhaps, they are pushed just like this, you’ll get out.

      When you’re not paying taxes or voting, someone richer than Smaug from the Hobbit is cashing in on the rest of your life.

      To call this a system that serves its citizens seems… I’m not sure what to call it. Naïve? Misguided? Uninformed?

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        better than what we had before the whole government thing, if you think this is bad, wait until the warlords come kill you, enslave your children and use your wife as a baby production machine

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          The warlords are also a government. However, the fact that warlords emerge when government fails shows that government is inevitable, so the best you can do is try to have a good one.

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            This is a bit of an old reply, but I thought I’d post something I stumbled upon here as it’s a response to your fear of warlords: https://kolektiva.social/@HeavenlyPossum/111290743792188200

            From the post (it’s quite extensive with plenty of references):

            “Once people are free of state violence and hierarchy, how can they just stop some bad actor from taking over?”

            The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.

            (The question is usually accompanied by some invocation of the dreaded “war lord” whom the questioner assumes will inevitably overrun a nonstate or non-hierarchical community.)

            So, I thought I would take a crack at answering this as comprehensively as I can!>>

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              The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.

              That’s the problem. Acting alone is not an option since an organized force will always defeat a disorganized one, and “cooperation” would mean forming the same kinds of hierarchies and governments that we already have, except they won’t have the centuries of stress-testing our present democratic systems have undergone and will therefore fall to corruption and authoritarianism much more easily.

              This is why anarchism is such a bankrupt ideology. At best it consists of people willing to burn the world down to institute a system that would be the same but worse.

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                Doesn’t seem like you read any of it, and it doesn’t seem like you are open to new ideas. So… In the status quo you remain then. Good luck!

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        I don’t think you get the comic, or understood how my comment was responding to it.

        Also, this is just really condescending. If you’re going to be on the left, you have to learn how to argue in a way that actually convinces people you’re ideas are better. This just makes you sounds like a jerk.

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    Ask not what you can do for you country; we will be the ones asking the questions here. Your country will tell you what to do and either you will obey or there will be consequences, because the revolution was a lie and you are a fool.

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    Unironically yes.

    It’s not an issue of whether or not the government will work for the advantage ofone group of people - it WILL work for the advantage of one group of people. It can’t help but. It can’t do literally everything - it has to pick and choose specific things. And each of those specific things will, if it provides benefit at all, only provide that benefit for some.

    So the issue is merely who is going to benefit.

    And the only way for we the people to benefit, as opposed to a handful of wealthy and powerful fuckwads benefitting, is if we the people demand that we’re the ones who benefit - if we insist, “No - fuck you - this is our government spending our tax revenue and it’s fucking well going to spend it on us!”

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    MLK said, “I have a dream.” And so do I. To see America finally sink back into the quagmire it was born out of, and dissolve completely into nothingness. Because there is no future for America, and there is no hope for a better life here. Time for the rats to abandon the sinking ship. When trump is a frontrunner for the presidency, it’s time to destroy what is left and let america burn into total obscurity.

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      The idea that its downfall into fascism would not have knock-on effects around the world, and that all the ‘good’ people could escape it to greener pastures, is very shortsighted and more than a little naive. It was not destiny that Germany became fascistic, Hitler didn’t even win the popular vote. The knock on effects of the fascists being allowed to win was absolutely devastating the world over. Why would the US becoming full blown fascist be any different?

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    The government is not there to serve you, it’s there to govern you.

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      The government is there to govern society in the best interest of the populace. That is a form of service.

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        No, it’s there to govern society in the interest of government members and their friends. Always has been.

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      yes, but only in authoritarianism. In a democracy it’s the opposite: the raison d’etre of the government is to serve the populace.