• corus_kt@lemmy.world
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      I work at a small company - absolutely everything from work macros, accounts and shortcuts are all intertwined in Chrome, they’ve been using it like that for ten years - it’d be faster for me to find a new job then to unclog that mess from the entire office. I still installed firefox for personal use though.

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        in my previous job we were allowed to install some old version of firefox through the companys own portal. but we couldn’t access internet with it because “firefox is vulnerable”. they use google suite so chrome was the default browser, but edge worked too and even IE…

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          Most companies now are being shepherded into Microsoft 365’s walled garden by their security teams. Edge is the only “secure” browser now, Teams the only “secure” chat app, Microsoft Authenticator (specifically Microsoft’s app, not DUO or anything else) is the only “secure” way to implement MFA, etc.

          It’s genuinely sad how many security professionals have been shanghaied into Microsoft salesmen.

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            By secure they mean “the only way we can easily see everything you do”

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            We had IT people in at our shop to migrate us over to 365. They wanted me to install Microsoft Authenticator on my personal phone, so I said no. They were able to bypass MFA to sign me up.

            I asked them what would happen if someone didn’t own a smartphone (crazy I know), they had no answer for me. They basically just looked at me like I asked them the square root of pi.

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              That’s actually a problem where I work. There are people who carry a flip phone because they don’t want a smart phone. IT gives them a hard token for 2FA.

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        I was in the same boat. Selenium with gecko driver was a pretty simple swap, just needed to Ctrl f replace a few things.

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      I keep going back and forth with Firefox and Vivaldi. The chrome based browsers just tend to run better. I love firefox on mobile but on desktop it’s tougher for me to stick with. Also Mozilla seems to have a different goal for the future with all the other products and ai weirdness they recently announced.

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        All chromium browsers are supporting Google’s grip on the internet.

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          This is true. Which is why Mozilla needs to focus on making a better browser instead of adding their own ai bullshit.

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            Mozilla has frequently pointed their efforts into the wrong direction. We need to politely encourage them to focus on the things that matter.

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      Serious question. Is it actually better for the typical user? I don’t mean people commenting here. I’m thinking about the majority that don’t care about privacy, blocking ads, quality technology, etc. for those people, I’m guessing that Firefox is equivalent. Just another browser that works fine. So why switch??

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        I run into compatibility issues and weird bugs with firefox a lot. I’m still using it as my primary browser, but I have to keep a chromium based browser ready for times when a website won’t work in firefox. I can put up with that personally, but I wouldn’t want to set up firefox on family/friend computers because I don’t want to get a call whenever something doesn’t work and they don’t know why.

        Chrome based browsers also have some super useful features (like tab groups) that firefox doesn’t have a good alternative for.

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          Interesting. I’ve heard this many times from people here on Lemmy. I’ve been running Firefox for ~6 months now (previously Brave) and haven’t seen these issues yet. I don’t even have a chromium based browser available on any of my devices.

          Regardless, I hear you about not wanting to be personal support for friends and family. That’s annoying

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            People inevitably bring up compatibility issues in Firefox when this subject comes up, and nobody ever has specific examples.

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              Proxmox virtual machine server, v8.x the UI is funky and the console doesn’t display properly.

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      To be fair, chromebooks are great devices for kids, and the family link platform makes keeping them “secure”, easier… a lot easier!!!

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      some small problems i face is that

      while i use youtube it runs slower.

      and the quick image search feature using google lens is not present.

      and telegram voice call does not work.

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        Where as,
        youtube = googlie
        google lens = googlie
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        telegram via web requires chromium api, so = googlie

        Hmm, proprietary things that are totally under the control of the corpo in question run slower or not at all on the corpo’s competitor’s browser. I wonder if that isn’t exactly what avoid a monoculture is all about preventing?

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        Ah yes, google nerfing its own services under another browser for its own gain definitely isn’t the issue here.

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        You can use a different frontend for YouTube. You’ve got Freetube for pc, Yattee for MacOS and iOS and piped on any platform. These solutions also protect your privacy and block ads.

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          If only they actually worked. Never understand how they get recommended constantly and yet repeatedly I try to use them and they don’t work.

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              Is that one a desktop app? I primarily use pop_OS and would prefer a web solution. I’ve tried piped, invidious, peertube, and libretube iirc

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              Yeah invidious (different instance) worked for me a couple weeks and then went down for days. I tried some other mirrors after that and they did not work.

              If they were reliable, I could put up with the worse UX, but so far they haven’t been reliable for me

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          My problem with these is that the quality is always bad. Usually 720p max and only H.264 instead of VP9. YouTube quality is already bad enough as it is and nerfing it even more feels awful.

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        That’s because YouTube detects the browser you are using, and slows it down for browsers that aren’t their own.

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        and the quick image search feature using google lens is not present

        There’s an addon that not only adds that back into the right click menu but also adds support for other image searching services!

        Its called “search by image” and it works very well ime

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      Chrome is great at multi-user switching. FF in comparison is @$$ in that respect… I went back to FF around a month ago after a decade long hiatus.

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      Some websites load faster in Chrome. But the reason why Chrome is so ubiquitous is because for normal people, Google is still the plucky user friendly company they were in the early 00s.

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      Firefox is better on desktop, but on mobile it still sucks, sometimes it is even refusing to load websites.

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      Firefox is right there and is a better browser to boot. I genuinely have no idea why

      I used to use mozilla by Mozilla, too. THAT’s why.

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      Okay I’m happy to switch, I used to use Firefox years ago until Chrome came along and it’s a great browser, but can I integrate my Google accounts with it?

      I want it to sync all my stuff to my Google accounts, and so far I’ve not found another browser that can do this :-(

      I’m also not sure if all the plugins I have would have Firefox implementations, maybe they do. I use Darkreader, some password vault stuff, uBlock, SponsorBlock and the other YouTube one they make (I forget the name) are an absolute must, too.

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        What do you want to integrate with your Google account? Imo that’s something to specifically avoid, not something to seek out. But I may be not understanding what you mean

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        Firefox has Firefox Accounts which will do just the same. All those extensions are also available. You may find the odd extension is missing but there is usually a decent replacement about.

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        All work on Firefox.

        While you can’t use Google password-manager easily on Firefox (probably there is a plugin for that) the Firefox password-manager is better in my opinion.

        The Google account stuff works mostly, but I don’t know what you exactly want to do. You should try it out.

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      Firefox is not the better browser in anything but privacy. Maybe it could win in customisability, but that’s something only a few percent of users care about.

      It has longer load times and sometimes breaks sites entirely while using about the same resources. Yes, the reason for that is that website creators don’t deliberately support it, but the normal user only cares about functionality.

      I still use it and recommend it to anyone that asks, but saying that it’s the better browser is just delusional.

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      Chrome’s developer tools are better, and having two browsers open at the same time while programming is a strain on RAM resources, especially since Visual Studio Code needs to run in its own Chromium.

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        Have you checked recently? Chrome devtools have been getting steadily worse the last few years, and Firefox’s keeps getting better.

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          I haven’t seen anything getting worse, but I agree that the Firefox dev tools are now barely usable. They weren’t before.

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          The year where a browser can easily eat up 10GB of RAM.

          On my Mac mini with 8GB, just having Visual Studio Code open is enough to fill up the RAM. No other programs necessary.

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              A lot of more budget devices still have 4 and 8 gigs. Not to mention all the older devices.

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                  Genuine question (I am not a developer): if you don’t use a bloated IDE, what do you need this much RAM for?

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                    I have no idea what people are talking about. My M2 MacBook with 8 GB handles pretty much all programming I do on it (biggest thing I’ve worked on on it was probably a 500k line C++ project). And I do use CLion usually which is one of the big IDEs. I’d go for more disk space before more RAM honestly. (Sure, my main machine has 64 GB but that’s because I run huge compilation jobs testing distro packages, games, VMs, and a bunch of other stuff on it sometimes in parallel and especially the compilation jobs can easily take up 40 GB sometimes but I’d say that is not a usual use case.)

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                Your WORKstation is for working. Budget devices are not for working.

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            It’s 2024. 32GB is a min requirement. I roll with 128GB because it’s a couple hundred bucks to never have to worry about RAM.

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          Idk, twenty twenty-something. But Chromium with the YouTube homepage takes less RAM than GNOME Software and GNOME Shell, which either says I should move to Xfce or that Chromium has improved. Can’t speak on VS Code though since I run that in a distrobox and podman is broken for me rn.