You’re absolutely right that there IS a difference between the two parties.
But Obama’s healthcare plan was a rebrand of a Heritage foundation (conservative) plan that had been enacted at the state level by Romney in Massachusetts, and the most progressive part (the Medicaid expansion) was a last minute compromise to make the plan CHEAPER because the majority of the plan is a tax payer subsidized government enforced insurance monopoly. It hasn’t ended medical bankruptcies and it doesn’t cover everyone.
Biden is actually better than I expected, while he gave in to the antics of Sinema and Manchin a little too easily and he’s still drilling oil and gas, the “Inflation Reduction Act” is the best climate and infrastructure legislation we’ve had, just 20 years late and still too little. Meanwhile he lets the courts roll him on student loans, on reproductive rights, etc.
So yeah, the Democrats are better than the Republicans but they still SUCK.
Since Eugene McCarthy in the early 70s to Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition, and recently Bernie, working inside the Democrats has not worked. But obviously neither has working outside. We need to keep trying, and I wish I had a better answer. But we need to do better than the Democrats.
With respect, it looked like a “try” in many cases but consider his decades in politics and knowing likely outcomes of any given proposal. Then consider his best of the best, Ivy League-educated cabinet, advising him on every chess move. If you don’t look at both sides, you might find yourself in a disingenuous ruse.
I tried but what could I do?
How could I have known Joe Manshun would say no?
We didn’t have a filibuster proof majority (which we could have eliminated with a simple rule change like we did with the debt ceiling- but oddly didn’t for infrastructure).
Oh those legal challenges came out of left field and our best and brightest from Harvard never saw it coming.
I co-authored the bankruptcy bill that exempted student debt when I was a Senator but now my intentions are different. Student debtors, I’m on your side now. Don’t you see?
But my original point was that no matter whats been tried very little benefit has been felt. Do you remmeber any president talking about how we’re quite literally killing our planet? Any of them say we need to stop drilling oil and actually follow through? Its all a distraction to make you forget how the world is falling apart around us and we are doing almost nothing to stop it
Also I never said it was his fault. Try as hard as you want when over half the government refuses to govern makes it a bit hard.
The inflation is caused by a conglomeration of things, and mostly not from us giving out stimulus. Trump is a clown but he didn’t cause the inflation.
The inflation is supply side. That means it’s caused by reduced stuff, not increased money. The Russian war caused oil to skyrocket and that caused a significant amount of the inflation.
Wrong. Just… wrong. Too wrong to care to fix. You cannot say, “it’s complicated, buuuuut it’s this other thing and TOTALLY not the other partt of the equation!”
You are dumb if you think it is supply side only. Purely, utterly stupid.
It’s not something that magically flips on or off… It’s a result of market pressures. Pressure takes time to move things like markets. Trump very early on elevated the pressure, and COVID made sure the average working person was never going to match it. That’s the inflation we’ve seen.
Inflation happens constantly because rich fucking morons designed the economy to require it in order to open their own avenues and justify their own jobs.
We’re saying the same thing. The system is designed this way. Also most “inflation” is just corporate greed and seeing how much they can take from the poor
Not really. You keep trying to say negative things in response to positive news about “Biden’s economy”, type stuff. I was responding to you asking questions about inflation.
While Biden does not have his hand on some magical economy wheel, to repeatedly bring up negative things in response to positive discussion absolutely comes across as partisan gaslighting.
You are talking as if you are a partisan hack. I am talking as if I know things about the economy. We are not the same.
Things got infinitely better for the rich under Reagan. Remember Ronald Reagan, the corporate, senile puppet who taxed grandmothers on Social Security while giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy and also opening the door to corporate raiding?
Wait a second. You said none of these things got better in any of your recent memory of the Presidency, but you’re also too young to remember Clinton? In the U.S.? So you must be my age or a bit younger, within 8-10 years. I was taught a lot of this in school. Well as a route 66 overview here are a few paragraphs in brief.
In that timeline our only presidents were Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. Clinton ended in 2001 ending with a surplus and extremely low unemployment, a trend which would continue for 2-3 years - and then Bush after his 8 years with a terrible response to natural disasters and the war led us into an extreme recession and deficit. Again. Which led to Obama’s first term having to deal with a housing crisis, banks, and businesses all crashing and being bailed out.
I was born in the latest of the millennials and I remember all this living through it, and was also taught about Clinton in school as well as Desert Storm and its effects so I am a little at a loss here. But I did graduate before Betsy Devoss was made secretary of education.
By the time Obama was done, despite all the wars (or maybe because of…) and a couple of natural and biological disasters we were on a lowered trend of unemployment, housing was still an issue but slowly working down, the effects of the recession were finally beginning to fade. Some states were even generating surpluses due to the certain taxing and legalization of a certain something, though not all of it was being properly utilized due to how the laws were written (still widely true today).
Then 2016 happened and we’re still recovering from the decisions made then on so many levels, from environmental protections and pollutant regulations, to literal repealing of women’s autonomy and right over their own body. For what, some COVID money, if you qualified? What a trade, a few thousand for taking multiple steps backwards.
And now we’re nearing the end of 3 years in on Biden. Remember how it took 2-3 years of lingering upward trend from Clinton to Bush? And how it took 2-3 years of recovery from Bush to Obama? That’s a common historical trend among pretty much all transitioning Presidencies where the lingering effects of the previous administration is seen and felt during the current one. It’s why generally 2 term (8 year) Presidents are able to be so effective, because unless there’s a political gridlock the 2nd term is generally able to make lots of headway on the campaign policy they ran on.
Trump managed his bout so poorly that even without COVID in Jan-March of 2020 his “2-3 year trend” from Obama was run into the ground in a very young 2 years due to the sheer number of aforementioned policy decisions (the removal of the EPA, the removal of the CDC branches, the removal of pollution regulations on corporations…).
Now here we are again, today, at the end of Trump’s 2-3 year trend. Still seeing the effects from COVID with businesses just barely beginning to show signs of recovering. Homelessness is still a massive issue with finally some minor strides being made in some areas but hardly overall. More than anything right now is the divide between political ideologies, if you can call human rights and health political. Double that divide due to the conflict outside of the U.S.
I would pay attention to this next year. And maybe get involved in local politics to find people passionate about making change within your community, it often gives you a wider sense of what people have felt. You’d also be surprised by the range of people you meet.
It’s also always fun to take some classes on government and political science, it can really highlight a lot of the systemic issues and historical trends, such as how conflicts between the police and black communities and queer communities from the 70’s and 80’s are still happening today. From the murderer George Zimmerman who shot and killed a young man Trayvon Martin to over a decade later the murderer Derek Chauvin who killed a man George Floyd by suffocating him for nearly 9 minutes while pinned to the ground. Back to 40 years ago when so many of the same stories happened in New York and so many other states, like Stonewall and the Miami Riot.
The reason I went in on all this is because despite many shortcomings, the answer is a clear, definitive, one side consistently props up all people and the other tears it away. Despite some states having their own positions (say, California or Texas) the effects are still strikingly visible, in these last 8 years it’s been a gaping tear and we have been living through the open wound. There are so many things to learn about but it’s important to remember that the most effective changes are made locally by being present in your community and by staying vigilant by making sure history repeats itself with positive reinforcements and not negative ones.
To me it seems like the last time the average person got some help was back with the New Deal in the 30s. Some minor things have been done, but overall we’ve been heading downhill since
I know i glossed over civil rights, but we are quite literally killing the planet, seems like there are much bigger issues than how equally we treat people.
No, it sounds like you’re trying to sow defeatism by ignoring good things that have helped people, just like civil rights, in order to focus people instead on all the problems that have yet to be solved. So that people feel… defeated.
And how is everyone in the us doing? Living paycheck to paycheck? Barely making rent? Can’t afford healthcare? Starving kids? Seems you aren’t paying attention now
I mean none of these things got better under any president in recent memory, they just got eroded a lot less quickly under certain ones
Didn’t Obama try to come up with a healthcare solution that was undermined by conservatives? Which Trump tried to neuter as hard as possible?
Didn’t Biden try to forgive student loans, which conservatives kept stopping?
I feel the “both sides are doing it” argument isn’t entirely true.
You’re absolutely right that there IS a difference between the two parties.
But Obama’s healthcare plan was a rebrand of a Heritage foundation (conservative) plan that had been enacted at the state level by Romney in Massachusetts, and the most progressive part (the Medicaid expansion) was a last minute compromise to make the plan CHEAPER because the majority of the plan is a tax payer subsidized government enforced insurance monopoly. It hasn’t ended medical bankruptcies and it doesn’t cover everyone.
Biden is actually better than I expected, while he gave in to the antics of Sinema and Manchin a little too easily and he’s still drilling oil and gas, the “Inflation Reduction Act” is the best climate and infrastructure legislation we’ve had, just 20 years late and still too little. Meanwhile he lets the courts roll him on student loans, on reproductive rights, etc.
So yeah, the Democrats are better than the Republicans but they still SUCK.
Since Eugene McCarthy in the early 70s to Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition, and recently Bernie, working inside the Democrats has not worked. But obviously neither has working outside. We need to keep trying, and I wish I had a better answer. But we need to do better than the Democrats.
With respect, it looked like a “try” in many cases but consider his decades in politics and knowing likely outcomes of any given proposal. Then consider his best of the best, Ivy League-educated cabinet, advising him on every chess move. If you don’t look at both sides, you might find yourself in a disingenuous ruse.
I tried but what could I do?
How could I have known Joe Manshun would say no?
We didn’t have a filibuster proof majority (which we could have eliminated with a simple rule change like we did with the debt ceiling- but oddly didn’t for infrastructure).
Oh those legal challenges came out of left field and our best and brightest from Harvard never saw it coming.
I co-authored the bankruptcy bill that exempted student debt when I was a Senator but now my intentions are different. Student debtors, I’m on your side now. Don’t you see?
Tried =/= improved lives
Also when did i say both sides same? Never did
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clearly democrats are incompetent so we should just go full fascist
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when republicans and their supporters denounce jan 6 and push out trump we can talk until then no they don’t deserve nuanced replies
But my original point was that no matter whats been tried very little benefit has been felt. Do you remmeber any president talking about how we’re quite literally killing our planet? Any of them say we need to stop drilling oil and actually follow through? Its all a distraction to make you forget how the world is falling apart around us and we are doing almost nothing to stop it
Also I never said it was his fault. Try as hard as you want when over half the government refuses to govern makes it a bit hard.
Trump was literally on Twitter bullying the fed chair to not raise rates, threatening to fire him. The inflation situation is very uniquely his fault.
The inflation is caused by a conglomeration of things, and mostly not from us giving out stimulus. Trump is a clown but he didn’t cause the inflation.
The inflation is supply side. That means it’s caused by reduced stuff, not increased money. The Russian war caused oil to skyrocket and that caused a significant amount of the inflation.
Wrong. Just… wrong. Too wrong to care to fix. You cannot say, “it’s complicated, buuuuut it’s this other thing and TOTALLY not the other partt of the equation!”
You are dumb if you think it is supply side only. Purely, utterly stupid.
And he bitched about the Fed under Obama for keeping interest rates low and claimed that the real unemployment rate was like 42%.
So inflation started after trump? Its not inherent in the system?
It’s not something that magically flips on or off… It’s a result of market pressures. Pressure takes time to move things like markets. Trump very early on elevated the pressure, and COVID made sure the average working person was never going to match it. That’s the inflation we’ve seen.
Inflation happens constantly because rich fucking morons designed the economy to require it in order to open their own avenues and justify their own jobs.
We’re saying the same thing. The system is designed this way. Also most “inflation” is just corporate greed and seeing how much they can take from the poor
Not really. You keep trying to say negative things in response to positive news about “Biden’s economy”, type stuff. I was responding to you asking questions about inflation.
While Biden does not have his hand on some magical economy wheel, to repeatedly bring up negative things in response to positive discussion absolutely comes across as partisan gaslighting.
You are talking as if you are a partisan hack. I am talking as if I know things about the economy. We are not the same.
The “economy” is rich people’s bank accounts, not the health of the population, not the happiness, not the wellbeing
Things got infinitely better for the rich under Reagan. Remember Ronald Reagan, the corporate, senile puppet who taxed grandmothers on Social Security while giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy and also opening the door to corporate raiding?
some of us remember clinton
How did your life get better under Clinton (i’m being serious, i was too young to rememeber)
Wait a second. You said none of these things got better in any of your recent memory of the Presidency, but you’re also too young to remember Clinton? In the U.S.? So you must be my age or a bit younger, within 8-10 years. I was taught a lot of this in school. Well as a route 66 overview here are a few paragraphs in brief.
In that timeline our only presidents were Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. Clinton ended in 2001 ending with a surplus and extremely low unemployment, a trend which would continue for 2-3 years - and then Bush after his 8 years with a terrible response to natural disasters and the war led us into an extreme recession and deficit. Again. Which led to Obama’s first term having to deal with a housing crisis, banks, and businesses all crashing and being bailed out.
I was born in the latest of the millennials and I remember all this living through it, and was also taught about Clinton in school as well as Desert Storm and its effects so I am a little at a loss here. But I did graduate before Betsy Devoss was made secretary of education.
By the time Obama was done, despite all the wars (or maybe because of…) and a couple of natural and biological disasters we were on a lowered trend of unemployment, housing was still an issue but slowly working down, the effects of the recession were finally beginning to fade. Some states were even generating surpluses due to the certain taxing and legalization of a certain something, though not all of it was being properly utilized due to how the laws were written (still widely true today).
Then 2016 happened and we’re still recovering from the decisions made then on so many levels, from environmental protections and pollutant regulations, to literal repealing of women’s autonomy and right over their own body. For what, some COVID money, if you qualified? What a trade, a few thousand for taking multiple steps backwards.
And now we’re nearing the end of 3 years in on Biden. Remember how it took 2-3 years of lingering upward trend from Clinton to Bush? And how it took 2-3 years of recovery from Bush to Obama? That’s a common historical trend among pretty much all transitioning Presidencies where the lingering effects of the previous administration is seen and felt during the current one. It’s why generally 2 term (8 year) Presidents are able to be so effective, because unless there’s a political gridlock the 2nd term is generally able to make lots of headway on the campaign policy they ran on.
Trump managed his bout so poorly that even without COVID in Jan-March of 2020 his “2-3 year trend” from Obama was run into the ground in a very young 2 years due to the sheer number of aforementioned policy decisions (the removal of the EPA, the removal of the CDC branches, the removal of pollution regulations on corporations…).
Now here we are again, today, at the end of Trump’s 2-3 year trend. Still seeing the effects from COVID with businesses just barely beginning to show signs of recovering. Homelessness is still a massive issue with finally some minor strides being made in some areas but hardly overall. More than anything right now is the divide between political ideologies, if you can call human rights and health political. Double that divide due to the conflict outside of the U.S.
I would pay attention to this next year. And maybe get involved in local politics to find people passionate about making change within your community, it often gives you a wider sense of what people have felt. You’d also be surprised by the range of people you meet.
It’s also always fun to take some classes on government and political science, it can really highlight a lot of the systemic issues and historical trends, such as how conflicts between the police and black communities and queer communities from the 70’s and 80’s are still happening today. From the murderer George Zimmerman who shot and killed a young man Trayvon Martin to over a decade later the murderer Derek Chauvin who killed a man George Floyd by suffocating him for nearly 9 minutes while pinned to the ground. Back to 40 years ago when so many of the same stories happened in New York and so many other states, like Stonewall and the Miami Riot.
The reason I went in on all this is because despite many shortcomings, the answer is a clear, definitive, one side consistently props up all people and the other tears it away. Despite some states having their own positions (say, California or Texas) the effects are still strikingly visible, in these last 8 years it’s been a gaping tear and we have been living through the open wound. There are so many things to learn about but it’s important to remember that the most effective changes are made locally by being present in your community and by staying vigilant by making sure history repeats itself with positive reinforcements and not negative ones.
To me it seems like the last time the average person got some help was back with the New Deal in the 30s. Some minor things have been done, but overall we’ve been heading downhill since
Yes, civil rights and all that was pretty minor, huh?
Find another way to sow defeatism.
I know i glossed over civil rights, but we are quite literally killing the planet, seems like there are much bigger issues than how equally we treat people.
No, it sounds like you’re trying to sow defeatism by ignoring good things that have helped people, just like civil rights, in order to focus people instead on all the problems that have yet to be solved. So that people feel… defeated.
That or you failed all your history classes.
And how is everyone in the us doing? Living paycheck to paycheck? Barely making rent? Can’t afford healthcare? Starving kids? Seems you aren’t paying attention now
good reply
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