he got the same mind disease jk rowling did
Yeah this has since been deleted because he didn’t agree to that caption at all. Dude was just trying to be nice and take a picture.
You can dislike his last stand up special, but I don’t think any part of it could be misconstrued to the point where he was saying there are only two genders or trans people don’t exist.
If at any point, DC’s 30 minute trans rant neared being funny, I could’ve given him the benefit of doubt.
But nope, it contained zero jokes. It wasn’t funny. It was him inflicting his old man attitude on the world. I loved Dave Chappelle, but I don’t find him funny or a decent person any longer.
I feel the same. He was a beloved icon of comedy and “speaking truth to power” and now he’s just an old man who sees no problem with NIMBYism and gay bashing.
Yep. I wanted to believe he has made some miscalculations with previous jokes. But literally wasn’t even trying to be funny in that special. I kept waiting for it. He lost me with that one and this photo further cements it. He couldn’t possibly not know who that bitch is right?
It would be so incredibly easy to shut up about trans people… But some people are just so bothered by them they cannot help themselves. I don’t get it.
It would be so incredibly easy to shut up about trans people
It was like 4 or 5 specials in a row too. He was a surprise opener when I saw Jon Mulaney last year and he went on another trans rant there. Very disappointing.
Damn. I didn’t know it went back that far. I remember him making one or two trans jokes that didn’t land but nothing I couldn’t chock up to a mistake. But the last one I saw he literally talked for 30 minutes about trans people. None of it was nice or funny.
I don’t really “go out” much. If somebody is extremely unhappy about the surprise opener, would it be fair for them to ask for their money back and leave? Or would you just get ignored
Probably depends on the venue. But openers are usually only 5-15 min or so anyway, depending on how many and how the show is structured. Chappelle was disappointing, but not enough to ruin the rest of the show. I was happy to stay for Jon Mulaney’s set which was fantastic.
He’s an entertainer. Controversy gets views. It might be that simple. So I don’t judge him as a person for those jokes, I have no idea hos real views. But, I do judge him for being the kind of person to use controversy to make money and be popular. I think that should be classified as a mental illness.
Have you seen “The Closer”? His long segment about trans people didn’t contain many, if any, jokes.
What? Choosing to bash the existence of real people for views isn’t better. It’s legitimately worse than people who earnestly believe these things. At least they’re trying to improve things as they see it, even if it’s still horrible. Anyone promoting hate like this just for clout and money is the lowest of the low.
Humour doesn’t require punching down. He used to punch up, which made him both hilarious and insightful at the same time, particularly while deconstructing issues of race relations in the US. Now he’s just another angry old man who likes to rant about things he doesn’t understand. That’s not humour; that’s a letter to the editor at the New York Post.
He probably reads Dilbert, too.
Even his golden era was pretty shit in hindsight with a lot of “not black enough” or “not manly enough” punchlines.
Like, I consider the Wayne Brady skit to be near perfection. But it is still predicated on chapelle platforming an asshole who randomly threw shade at someone for “not being black enough” and the core of the joke is that the actual Wayne Brady is “lesser”.
And you can see this with a lot of the “how could anyone have expected this person was problematic?” comedians like louis ck and the like.
I’ve weirdly thought about that Wayne Brady skit a lot in my life. And I think, at its core, it is the exact same joke as “Bob Saget is actually a foul mouthed degenerate” (and the lesser “So is John Stamos” variant). Except that, with Saget, it was “Yeah. Nobody knows how the fuck that man became the most wholesome TV dad on TV”. Whereas, with Wayne Brady, it felt a lot more like needing to make amends for pointing out the problematic nature of attacking other “minority” comedians.
Thank you. I always thought Dave Chappelle was a spiteful comedian, and actually was not very funny. He just turned that energy towards trans people so now he’s become a problem for people. But he was never really that funny to begin with, and the root of his jokes always had some sort of vitriol.
Spiteful comedy feels good as long as it punches up. Not necessarily funny, but schadenfreude, cathartic, or just relief seeing them ‘get taken down a peg.’ It invites controversy when the artist and the audience disagree on the power structure. Chappellle falls apart around transgender, because he thinks he’s punching up to that group, where I imagine most people believe that trans are close to the bottom of the oppression spectrum. Chappelle’s argument basically being something like, “Well, they can ‘pass’ if they just match gender presentation to biological sex, and a lot of them are white.,” but having to hide your membership in a group is the opposite of power.
Watching him Vs trans people is like watching MRA Vs feminism. Or conservative Vs PC. Scarecrowing privilege and playing victim over some mere inconveniences and uncomfortable truths.
No one has ever been pulled over by the police for being trans…
Yeah, it’s not like the Stonewall riots started when the police tried to arrest a black trans woman for being gay. Oh, wait…
His entire thing is just punching down.
I think, during his prime, he was more “punching sideways” as it were. I have seen a lot of similar “comedians” from the asian/AAPI perspective.
Much like comedians like Chris Rock and dave chapelle were almost “the anti-cosby” (uhm… cosby the comedian not cosby the rapist). The idea is that there was so much media dedicated to a mix of “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” and “black people can be white people too”, there was a strong pushback of “While not all of us do, some of us do live in the hood and love fried chicken and orange soda”
So there was a lot of “good natured” ribbing. But… it tended to have the impact of being “black comedy for white people”. Because it was less “ha ha, I am punching you in the arm because we are friends” and more “I am punching you in the arm to show that I am better than you and belong with the ‘upper class’”
We have more or less been living it on the AAPI side for the past decade or so. In the 00s and, to a lesser extent, the 10s it was pretty much standard for the best friend on a sitcom to be the whitest chinese guy imaginable. Albeit, because you can’t be racist against asians, we still had the horrific stereotypes too (shout outs to Apu!). In recent years, we have seen a strong push toward more or less our “Fresh Prince of Bel-Air”. Media that acknowledges that… yeah, we do play a lot of violin and fuck you if you are the one PhD at a family dinner full of MDs (its cool, you are still better than the JSD. Cousin Wendy was straight up uninvited). But also the acknowledgement that we face a lot of discrimination too.
But also… we have seen an increase in the number of, for lack of a better term, minstrel comedians. People like “Uncle Roger” who, on the surface, are poking fun at the kernel of truth behind stereotypes but that mostly are making us long for the days of david carradine while giving all the white comedians and youtubers opportunities to make the same jokes that they previously knew were “off limits”.
And… chapelle was very much the “Uncle Roger” level of humor. In film he would always play the cranked up stereotype (that mostly existed so that white people could cheer for Martin Lawrence whenever Blue Streak was on TBS). And with his show and standup it was always very much “Ha ha, we are kind of fucked up and funny, right?” levels of “punching sideways”.
This is insane revisionist history. Watch “killing them softly” and try to make the same comments. Don’t bother replying with “I’ve seen it and it’s not funny!!!”, everyone knows it’s one of the greatest stand-up specials of all time
No, no revisionism here. I actually never liked the guy and didn’t understand why he was so popular.
Fair. I, along with a vast majority of western audiences, thought he was king of comedy for a solid 5 years in the early 2000s. Thanks for being civil.
But also…watch “killing them softly”. Do yourself a favor, it’s fantastic.
I definitely did, might give it a second go.
As a fan of game shows, I have a great admiration for Wayne Brady. He’s genuinely good at being a master of ceremonies… unlike some other improv comedians who got game shows. Drew Carey. Cough. Cough.
Drew Carey.
He’s doing a fantastic job with Price is Right, leave my boy Drew alone.
That’s why so many comedians end up “cancelled” all that money boiled to their heads and the already apathetic “jokesters” are now even more out of touch with reality.
Let em all rot out like Cosby did. My heros will only ever possibly be my neighbors wherever I live.
Nobody else gets me like they do.
My heros will only ever possibly be my neighbors wherever I live.
That’s what I’m always saying! I know so many good working class folks in my friend group and neighborhood. I don’t feel compelled to look up to some celebrity who’s ultimately a complete rando to me.
There are artists and other famous people whose work I respect and admire, but my heros are people I know irl
I’m not sure why you would invest any emotional attachment into any celebrity.
Comedians, especially those who you watch perform for many hours over many years, are different from just any celebrity. Especially when they espouse a point of view that resonates, until suddenly it doesn’t. PS I don’t think about Dave Chappelle ever until he pops his head up with (these days) something shitty to say
I disagree but that’s fine.
Only article I could find is Newsweek but seems to be accurate he was taking pictures with a few others, and nothing of the sort was discussed
Democratic advocacy group, Call to Activism, tweeted that Chappelle claimed a number of lawmakers had asked him for photos during his visit to the Capitol.
But then the comedian reportedly claimed he was “blindsided” by her tweet saying he “understood that there were two genders.”
“It’s a shame she tricked me,” Chappelle is reported to have said. “I had two tickets to Beetlejuice and I was going to give her one!”
“Beetlejuice” was the musical that led to public ridicule being heaped on Boebert. She and her date were ejected from a performance of the musical adaptation in Denver for groping, vaping, and talking during the show.
He knows they exist. But he also doesn’t consider trans women to be women.
To be honest, I think contrapoints has a really solid take on it. That yes trans women are women, but women’s issues and trans women’s issues should be considered separate things. Both groups face some issues that the other can’t really relate to, and conflating them so much doesn’t help anyone.
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For himself. He doesn’t give a shit beyond that.
Wow, who knew “not giving a shit” looked like releasing several Netflix specials exclusively advocating a position on the topic. Try to be less of a clown than Dave, he’s not the funny kind
Then why would he have objected to being in the captioned image? Think.
He’s not even posing. He’s standing there holding his arms awkwardly while this woman takes a selfie in front of him.
I don’t understand why this image has become so widespread. It doesn’t contain evidence for what the title claims. Bobart is dishonest and celebrities pose for selfies. This is not good evidence of transphobia one way or the other.
Because it exists in the context of his behavior over the last few years of becoming increasingly anti-trans and just shitty overall. It’s not so farfetched to see this and believe he’s in on it.
Then why not post examples of said behavior?
Because that’s not the point of my comment? We both know what I’m talking about, and several posts in this very thread go into more detail. If you seriously don’t see the problems with it, I’m not the one who’s going to convince you otherwise.
But I doubt you’re quite so genuine. So go take your “just asking for evidence” trolling elsewhere.
You clearly missed the point of my comment.
I’m asking rhetorically. Why is this bullshit being posted and getting tons of traction as if a celebrity begrudgingly appearing in a selfie is evidence of their opinion?
He has made pretty clear statements on the subject.
Why is this bullshit being posted and getting tons of traction
I already said - context. If none of the anti-trans stuff happened, nobody would care about this photo. And nobody’s using this as “evidence”. It’s just more shit on the pile.
No, he just dehumanizes trans people and reduces them to their genitals and is generally tone-deaf to all of that.
Quotes from The Closer:
“…The transgenders…”
“Every time I come out onstage, I be scared. I be lookin’ around the crowd, searching. For knuckles and Adam’s apples to see where the threats might be coming from.”
“And then she hikes her skirt up and she pulls a real live, meaty dick out!”
“If I was honest, I wouldn’t have fallen for it. I’d have just looked at the picture like, “Look at that big chiseled jawline, that big thick Joe Rogan neck. Is that a dude? Is your daughter a man?” Can’t say that shit. It’s really annoying.”
“…trans-bitch from the picture.”
“A couple of more drinks and these fellows are gonna start asking her for some pussy, she might not have.”
“I was careful to call her a bitch, ’cause I didn’t want to blow her cover.”
" “Well.” I am a girl now, n*gger. You must treat me as such."
“Gender is a fact.”
“Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?”
“I’m not saying it is not pussy, but that’s like Beyond Pussy or Impossible Pussy. You know what I mean? It tastes like pussy but that’s not quite what it is, is it? It’s not blood, that is beet juice.”
I’m not going to quote his story about the one trans person who passed whatever litmus test he decided to implement to determine if someone deserves his respect or not, but it summed up to the equivalent of someone saying something racist and finishing with, “well, I have black friends, though!”
Literal hot trash
Yeah ok but that doesn’t mean it’s ok to just lie about the initial post.
This is such a dumb take.
Friend, it’s a comedy special. He’s a comedian. It’s not like when one of these bigots says a bunch of biggoted shit and then tries to escape responsibility by saying they were just joking. Dave Chapelle is actually telling jokes, though.
And get this…you don’t need to laugh at it. But the special you’re quoting from was filmed in front of a live show and was a smash hit, and that’s to be expected because dude fairly consistently brings the house down wherever he goes. The crowds have voted. There’s no such thing as a successful comedian who isn’t funny to most people and plenty of Chappelle fans, comedy fans, and comedians, say Dave Chappelle is the living GOAT.
You’ve taken every quote out of context and in doing so you’ve obviously killed all the jokes and maligned the comedian. Stick to your day job you don’t know shit about funny.
calling the 2nd half of the closer comedy is really a stretch. also, it is exactly like that.
Oh really? Was the crowd laughing? They voted. It’s was comedy.
You don’t really need to be funny to “most people” as a comedian to be successful, though, you just need to be funny to the vast majority of your audience. There are like 300 million people in the US, if you were even funny to 3 million people, or 1% of the population, you could be a modestly successful comedian commuting between cities and releasing little specials. I also find it weird to say that someone else “don’t know shit about funny”: I thought it was pretty obvious that comedy was subjective, and not something that has any actual winning formula like the pretentious old guard of comedians would have everyone believe, as is in their best interest.
Really parsing things. You don’t get to be a legendary comedian without being funny. The killers are wanted in all 50 states.
That wasn’t really my point, I was just saying one man’s funny is another man’s transphobic, and that you can make money and be successful by being funny to like. I dunno, 5% of the population, rather than “most people”.
The tweet is still up, though?
You’re still living in denial. He can do no wrong by you.
What happened? Classic radicalization happened.
He was presented with a new viewpoint on gender. He said “no thanks” to considering that viewpoint, which is honestly fine (we’re allowed to have different opinions). But instead of just holding his opinion on that viewpoint personally, he used his considerable platform to make a huge deal out of rejecting that viewpoint. He then faced the predictable backlash for doing so as a public figure.
Instead of apologizing or just avoiding the subject on his platform in future, he reacted to that backlash by doubling down and repeatedly employing his platform to attack the viewpoint. Thus, he began earning the ire of more people that support trans rights and the admiration of those who opposed them.
He then immersed himself in his new right-wing support group, rubbed elbows with those who share his viewpoint on gender, found a new more conservative fanbase, and had those views reinforced and enhanced by the echo chamber around him. As a result, he has slowly become more radicalized and made this issue a huge part of his worldview and public persona.
My prediction is that this influence will continue to radicalize him and steer him further to the right, not only on this issue but on other issues as well. His new peer group will reward him for his views on the trans people. They will use that as a jumping point into other right-wing ideas that will start to make “a lot of sense” to him. And as a public figure, they will encourage him to use his notoriety to voice more and more of these views and use his platform to support their causes. I bet money he will be a semi-regular on Fox News or some other conservative voice box in the next 5 years and will be publically endorsing Republican candidates for office. Bet.
This is a great analysis. People don’t make decisions or do things as isolated individuals with moral or rational decisions. People act based on the rewards or punishments that come in from their social groups.
totally unlike lemmy
No social group, community, or, in fact, neurotypical individual is immune to it. We’re tribal social animals and we certainly act like it.
He also loves in Ohio, which is basically buried in right wing propaganda and lost objectivity. They had a train full of poisonous chemicals spill and the news buried the story when it could because it is bad for right wing information if their decisions on regulation caused the problem.
The state that just voted to legalize recreational weed and to make abortion rights legal? Sure there is propaganda but we need to recognize states for their good choices and not just hate on every state all the time
…the story wasn’t buried. It was essentially the only thing US media talked about for an entire month.
My concern is that the left is following the right into mirror world.
I’ve seen more than a few times where people post articles about some event immediately after the event from multiple sources and then claim that “nobody is talking about this”. It mystifies me. Sure, some outlets avoid reporting on or minimize some events that don’t jive with their messaging (couchfoxnewscough), but unless your sources are eye witnesses and no one else, no news outlets at all, people are in fact talking about it.
The mainstream news didn’t want to talk about it because mostly white people were affected. Discrimination is discrimination no matter the race.
I agree with your comment, and I’ll still take that bet. $20 sound good?
He was presented with a new viewpoint on gender. He said “no thanks” to considering that viewpoint, which is honestly fine (we’re allowed to have different opinions).
I agree that we should be allowed to have different opinions, but I don’t agree that it’s considered fine by mainstream liberalism today. I have seen an awful lot of toe the line or get up against the wall behavior from the left over the last few years. Again and again the reaction has been “agree with literally everything we say, or be outcast as a bigot”. I have seen it even among my close personal circles when debating radically new ideas that people should be given time to consider, opportunities to discuss, and time to research. That is an incredibly disappointing attitude from a group with a stated goal of inclusion and tolerance. Tolerance for popular non-normative ideals, but disdain for any conflicting discourse seems to be the group mantra. I say this as someone who is mostly aligned with progressive movements.
It’s not “mainstream liberalism” that’s acting like that any more than it’s “mainstream conservatism” that’s waving nazi flags over Florida highways and calling every Republican that doesn’t grovel to Trump a RINO.
Also tolerance for people and tolerance for what they are recognizing as intolerance are not the same thing. If person A says I’m “X”, and person B says “being X is an abomination” or “you’re not X. I’m telling you you’re Y” or something along those lines, then person B is intolerant of person A. It’s a perfectly reasonable position to say “we should be accepting of X, and Y, and Z and all the other letters, and fuck anyone like person B who says otherwise”. Person B can argue that what they said or meant was misunderstood and wasn’t intolerance. But if they meant what they said, they don’t get to demand that just because someone else is tolerant of people of different physicalities, cultures, religions, races, ethnicities, nationalities, orientations, identities, etc. that they must tolerate their intolerance too.
And if you are intolerant of people who are “X” and don’t want to be called out on it, then you shouldn’t express that intolerance or act on it. If you do, you should do so under the understanding that you earned the consequences for your actions.
You’re talking about the paradigm of tolerance, which isn’t what I’m referring to at all. I probably didn’t make it clear that I’m not talking about the Chappelle situation. What I meant is that the left is becoming a lot more tribalistic, just like the examples you gave of right wing tribalism at the beginning of your response. I agree that liberalism isn’t engaging in it any more than the right, but we shouldn’t be engaging in it at all. We’re supposed to be the thinking group. How can we be a thinking group if we cast out anyone who presents opposing ideas for things? I’m talking about things like accusing anyone who doesn’t agree with the ideas presented by Beverly DiAngelo of being racist. Or someone not liking a movie starring a gay character being called homophobic, when they just didn’t like the movie. There’s far too much accusation occurring which stifles open discussion, and open discussion is where growth happens.
I think it’s many things, but the big one is a reaction to the polarization of politics by the media and the radicalization of the right/rise of fascism. Fascists will spout any nonsensical belief that they can come up with, because they know they sound ridiculous and they don’t care. Because that’s not the point. The point is to make you have to waste energy debunking it while they do something else. Add in the often used Republican strategy of rendering useful words into meaningless garbage, like “woke” and “politically correct” before it, and the thinking man is left two steps behind and always trying to play catch-up with those trying to torch everything they can get their hands on.
So with a group spouting nonsense with the sole purpose of having their opponents be too busy disproving it to prevent them from destroying the rights of minorities, and a group that claims that both sides are equally as bad because they agree with the fascists but don’t want to take responsibility or face the consequences for having those opinions, is it any wonder that actual disagreement is being mistaken for that disingenuous “enlightened centrism”?
Plus, there’s a time for discourse, and a time for action. And I think people are starting to feel that we’ve spent too many years doing the first and we need to start doing the second. In short, I think people are starting to feel that there’s some kind of deadline fast approaching and the stress is starting to get to them.
Yes, that’s a good point. The nonsensical arguments meant to consume energy were a master stroke against actual discourse online and in person. Unfortunately it has had the desired effect, and many of us aren’t engaging in discourse with like-minded people about things we mostly agree on. The right has done such a good job of making every point contentious that any statement against the commonly accepted group think is treated as an outsider trying to sow discord. I see it all the time online, and I’m sure you’ve seen it too, where someone who is very liberal gets jumped all over and accused of being a trumper, or a racist, or a homophobe, or whatever, just because they have their own unique perspective of an argument that they’ve obviously put time and thought into. I’ve even encountered it with close personal friends when discussing new radical evaluations of old conceptions. We’re in a rough spot as a society right now. We just might be on a deadline if we can’t figure out how to talk to each other again.
Well yeah, I can agree with that. Tribalism is human nature at the base though. It’s something that is easy to fall into and has to be overcome through thoughtful reflection and discourse. Most people aren’t that conscientious though
Okay, what do you say to people who insist on calling straight people cis gendered, when they’re told/asked not to?
A) Straight is sexual orientation. It has nothing to do with being cisgender. B) Cisgendered is the etymologically correct term to use for someone who isn’t transgendered. C) If someone has a good faith non-disparaging preferred term for themselves other than cisgendered, then by all means use that
Nice.
Well, certainly not everyone agrees that people should be entitled to an opinion here, because we have science on that shit. And science tells us that nature is messy.
Whether we’re talking about psychological gender or biological sex, proclaiming that there’s only two categories is provably false. It’s like proclaiming that all colors are either orange or blue.I guess, you’re allowed to be wrong. Hell, you’re even allowed to be wrong publicly. But if you are, you’re not entitled to not being corrected.
The issue is when it comes to medicine doses between males and females and biological advantages, and disadvantages between those two sexes.
I’m not sure, what you’re trying to tell me. If someone’s broadly built and muscular, but happens to have a vagina in their pants, they still need a higher dosage than someone who isn’t broadly built and muscular. Well, that’s assuming the medication doesn’t cause trouble with e.g. an uterus (and assuming they’ve got an uterus to go with their vagina).
That’s what I mean with “nature is messy”. Whatever assumption you make about whatever categorization, you’ll find lots of examples that don’t fit. It’s easy to think in categories, but you have to always be aware and accepting that it’s going to be mildly wrong.
And especially a doctor should know what they’re doing, treating people according to their actual needs, not according to some category that may or may not fit.
Most things are done in averages when you’re talking about a large population so the average doses between sexes are different that was the first part the second part is the averages of physical differences between sexes, so my bad I it seem like I was putting the two together. And my overall point is that it’s not I was born a male and feel/mentally that I’m female or vice versa, it’s morphed into I am what I claim to be regardless of these averages and differences between the two sexes, don’t question me, which can lead to adverse effects when it comes to your dosage in medication’s, and the differences in weight classes and bone and muscle density.
I’m a critical care nurse.
We do not dose based on gender. We dose based on height, weight, and individual response/tolerance of a medication. Nobody cares what’s in your pants when we’re giving you drugs. Definitely no one is taking your bone density into account. I literally just sent out the tiniest little old lady from our critical care unit yesterday on the highest dose of metoprolol I’ve ever seen in my life.
Stop lying. Trans rights are human rights. Gender affirming care is medical care. The medical community is clear on that point.
So, you’re saying they don’t have different trial runs for medication for the two sexes based on its type and what it’s for? Also, that medication doesn’t and cannot have different effects on the two sexes based on the type of medication? Bring up points about something doesn’t make you against or for a group of people. Also, other countries that bet American to gender affirming care stopped it and made laws against it because of the possible side effects, such as the Finland, Sweden, France, Norway, and the U.K.
“Tolerance”
I’m surprised it took this long for the “T” word to show up. People tolerating your ideas doesn’t mean they have to agree with them, or listen to them, or respect them.
You are confused because you said something that people reacted negatively to. Respect is earned and is not just handed out. If your ideas are insulting, don’t expect a warm welcome.
No, that’s not what I’m confused about. I’m not confused about anything. I wasn’t talking about Chapelle, and I’m familiar with the paradigm of tolerance. You’re talking liberalism 101, I’m talking about the ever-encroaching tribalism that is shutting down productive discourse. I shared a more detailed explanation already on another response. I’ll grab it and come back here with a link.
Edit: here
paradigm of tolerance
A regular Karl Popper over here.
Can you quote something anti-trans he’s said?
every fucking time. “can you name a Jew that Hitler personally shot? guess not.”
I mean, I can easily quote anti-semitic things that Hitler said, and published.
Nobody has ever made the claim Hitler shot Jews. But people are making the claim that Chapelle says anti-trans things. In fact this entire story is about things he has said.
I’ve seen his specials, and Ive yet to hear him say anything anti-trans. So I don’t believe those things exist, though I’m open to being proved wrong.
This thread is centered around an anti trans picture he’s part of. This question is like staring at the sun, going blind, and then asking us to prove that it was the sun that made you suddenly go blind
No, it’s more like someone claiming that the sun is shining and me asking for a picture of the sun shining.
You mean, like the sun that you can SEE is shining? Fuck man, if you’re trolling, this is high tier. This is riding the line between believable and over the top
You clearly understood the message of his special where he told a heart wrenching story about his trans friend killing herself due to the bullying she received from the tolerant left. That’s what I like about people like you, you’re SOOOO compassionate, and smart.
He allegedly misrepresented what actually happened: https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends
Generally the things comedians talk about on stage shouldn’t be interpreted as factual statements, that’s mostly not how standup works.
Not gonna pretend that I’ve watched all his specials. I believe I watched the first two after his return, and that’s about it. I just read about the rest, which I acknowledge comes with a layer of bias by being filtered through someone else’s lense. However, A) the flaw in the “I can’t be transphobic because I have a trans friend” argument should be apparent, especially coming from a black man in America who would have heard the “i have a black friend” argument for decades. It certainly doesn’t give you carte blanche to to say whatever you want about trans people without criticism and consequences. People are perfectly capable of befriending people that they have deep seated issues with. And cognitive dissonance is a thing. He can correctly pronoun his transwoman friend and still disparage transwomen as not being women at the same time, because that’s what he did. B) Again, while I haven’t watched that special, the fact that that is a part of his comedy show, just highlights the fact that he uses his platform to express heavy handed messages on what he sees as imperative for us to hear. That story is clearly not a joke. It’s definitely not funny. It’s a lecture, a scolding and finger pointing.
That being said, what happened to Daphne is a tragedy. Whether or not she took her life directly or indirectly due to the public backlash she got for publically supporting Chappelle, it’s still terrible that it came to that point. There’s nothing wrong with voicing your anger at speech you find bigoted, or in support of bigotry. But there is a line that gets crossed oftimes into harassment and bullying. No part of the political spectrum is innocent of that, and it’s not okay regardless of political affiliation.
Sorry, but “I had a trans friend” isn’t the airtight defense you seem to think it is.
You Young Republican types are so incredibly worthless. “Tolerant left! Tolerant left! Rawk! Polly want a cracker!” My cockatiel gives me more scintillating conversation.
Some of us aren’t that left-wing (although you suit, tie, and white hood types couldn’t possibly comprehend that), and we’re certainly not tolerant of your dumb asses. The only shred of “tolerance” I’m showing you right now is mandated by the rules of this magazine. If the rules weren’t there, I’d tell you to change your name to Mike Pence and do what comes naturally to a seditionist. (Hypothetically, of course.)
lol, you just proved his point.
This guy tried (and failed) to make Elon more popular, so fuck him. I’m sure he got paid, and he doesn’t really give a shit, but using his celebrity like that was so fuckin lame.
Thanks for reminding us. What a fucking dumb move. His shift to shittiness has been a disappointment.
I don’t see how this is a right wing left wing issue don’t all celebrities do things for money?
I dont see where the person you responded to said it was a right wing left wing issue?
I was using the context of the main post and responses.
Weird. I just see three sacks of shit.
That’s what she said, three people who “understand” there are only two genders.
Young, skinny Dave was really funny!
Old, bulky Dave sucks ass.
Too many people still remember him when we was young and funny. He’s gotten rich and turned into a dickhead. Also see: Joe Rogan.
Your point stands, but Joe Rogan has never been funny.
I loved his crazy antics in Newsradio.
Holy shit! That was so long ago! I totally forgot about that! Your right, I liked him in that. But then, I liked Andy Dick in that too…
Please say that Dave Foley is still cool. Please…
🤞😖
He’s visibly aging, but still a real hoopy frood.
He used to be more of a self identified nonpartisan moderate centrist, and he interviewed people of all shapes and color with great interest and respect, but these last few years he’s really lost his goddamn mind.
I think it really fell apart when he convinced his fans to stop watching his show because he wasn’t getting paid for it.
Now he thinks he has power because a lot of people did what he asked one time
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. -Harvey Dent
It’s so cringe that their personality is “two genders lol”
Maybe he shouldn’t have agreed to take the picture but he didn’t write the caption. They’re clearly using him for a political stunt.
Are they though? He’s been pretty openly transphobic.
I think Dave Chapelle would not consider himself transphobic and as far as I know has never opposed transgender rights.
His could be considered offensive when it comes to transgender people but they aren’t an attack any more than his other jokes were an attack on other groups.
His reaction to the pushback feels like more of an ego thing than making any kind of stand on the topic.
He literally called himself a TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist) in one of his standups. It literally means he doesn’t think that Trans people should have equal rights as everyone else.
I remember him saying he was a TERF being the punchline?
Idk it’s been a while, I could be wrong.
He also played a blind klansman. It’s comedy, jesus
Yeah, and that didn’t age well. It’s also a little fucking different considering he’s Black. He’s NOT trans, that’s just an even SMALLER minority group he’s shitting on. How are you so unable to reason about that, what’s wrong with you?
Didn’t age well? Lol, ok. I have a feeling you’ve never watched any Dave Chappelle ever. But you do you.
Literally wore a KKK outfit and shouted the words “I hate n*****s” on his show, but nobody thinks he’s a white supremacist.
But he says “I’m on team terf” and everyone believes him.
And in doing so critics ironically proved one of his points. Which did and continues to fly over a lot of people’s heads.
The genius of one of his recent acts is the trolling he did. He basically made a joke about how fuckable children are and a joke about trans people in the same act, just to see what the media ran with.
I didn’t appreciate how he used Daphne as a shield against criticism, but his unsaid point was salient to me.
The funniest part of Chappelle’s whole defense on his trans jokes is that he had one trans friend, which is the same thing as defending racist jokes by saying you have a black friend. The fact that Dave did not realize that is unintentional comedy gold.
Not only did he employ “I have a black friend, so I am not racist” tactic for this, but he took it further. He claimed her suicide was due to the amount of harassment that she got for being friend’s with him, and standing up for him on social media.
However, people looked through her entire social media presence, which was out there for anyone to see. She got very, very, little harassment because of Chappelle. Reading through her posts though, it became clear why she did, actually, do it though. She was in the process of fighting a legal battle for custody rights of her child. She said many times that if she were to completely lose custody she would kill herself. Guess what ruling she received shortly before her suicide? Complete loss of custody.
Also, Chappelle claimed she was, or was one of, his best friends. However he didn’t go to the viewing, or the funeral, or help assist her family with costs, or anything substantial. He sent a card.
JK Rowling doesn’t consider herself transphobic either. Bigots don’t consider themselves bigots.
Weakest centrist take I’ve seen yet, are all of your opinions this lukewarm? He’s got several Netflix specials totaling hours of anti-trans content, where he pins the death of a trans friend (who he exploited the fuck out of, btw) on trans people themselves, leading to months of Dave-generated hate for us.
And that’s not even getting to how he talks about trans people in the little shows he does that aren’t recorded. The slurs start to fly.
Anyways, get fucked
I agree the death of the trans friend was exploitative, I don’t really know what he said on the road. My opinion on the netflix content was that it wasn’t any more offensive than any takes I’ve heard on any other groups from other comedians.
But I may be wrong, it’s been a while since I saw the specials and I’m going off memory. I’m white straight cis and male so I may not always see past my privilege.
Anyway it was just my point of view. If you feel it’s wrong you can just explain why you think so. It wasn’t my intent to offend you.
You’re not wrong. This beef started prior to the Netflix specials. The special was timed out such that Dave appeared to be punching first for those unaware. When what he was really doing was addressing some LGBTQ people coming to his shows and laughing when he made fun of others. But going to social media to complain about jokes towards them. Trans people in particular.
And I’ll get down voted for saying all that. But I don’t care. I’m not defending him. But people on social media take anything less than 100% agreement towards their side as being against them.
Dave for sure could have been less of a dick to trans people in particular during the specials. But people who can’t make fun of themselves don’t belong at comedy shows. And sadly a lot of trans people in particular already struggle with self acceptance. It was a big can of worms to open.
But going on social media to bitch at him wasn’t a smart move. Comedians love ripping back at hecklers. And the response after the special ironically proved one of his points around these “fans” being hypocrites for laughing at his jokes about other types of minorities but not themselves.
What it really comes down to is that he’s conservative in the “I established my worldview as a child and now it’s calcified” sort of way. He wasn’t exactly progressive even back then… He mostly just made fun of stereotypes in a fresh way
I don’t think he’s a hateful person or anything, I just think someone has encouraged him to share dated beliefs that he has no business talking about.
He was never a comedian with a real message, but maybe he always wished he was
An artist with a message is a propagandist
It has been pretty amazing watching the incredible hate he started getting from that special. It’s like the Maga hate but from the left and, I guess he did actually say some mean things instead of doing absolutely nothing, so there’s that.
How so? Maybe I’m uninformed
His last few specials were controversial for their takes on trans women. And he seems to be really hung up on the topic.
Any links to the relevant clips, or episodes? I don’t really watch Chappelle.
Anything from his special The Closer that involves trans people should work. I didn’t say jokes, because he just kind of rants about it and doesn’t seem to be making any actual jokes.
Eddie Murphy needs to rough him up and throw him into a piano again.
Yeah Dave’s gotten preachy lately and it’s 🥱
Literally the last 5 or 6 of his specials he’s made “dunking on trans people” the meat of the runtime.
A lot of people completely miss the point of edgy comedy and take it at face value, so that makes him an easy target for clickbait and outrage. Since overly sensitive people out there allow comedians to hurt their feelings that makes him a bad man.
I think this punching up/punching down stuff is meaningless because he’s not trying to punch anyone, nor are trans people the only people “punched down on”, a.k.a. joked about, by edgy comedians on a regular basis.
I’d change that to “marginalized people”.
The image is obviously about soldiers
Hey, that’s me! The one with the machine gun tripod resting on my back. Almost drowned during this photo :-\
There are some great jokes that could be made about trans people with understanding rather than hate. And there are comedians making them who if I had a choice would get to publish a full special.
Mitch hedberg was funnier and punched up…at ducks.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become… Dave Chappelle.
Who was that other guy with the bowl haircut who was Mitch Hedberg Lite? I was hoping he’d stick around for a while, but the last time I saw him in anything, he was the polar bear in Three Bare Bears.
I’ve never really compared Demetri Martin and Mitch Hedburg in my mind, but I can see some similarity. They both tell short deadpan jokes/one-liners without much or any continuity between them. I haven’t seen Demetri in much for a while except as a side character in a few movies and tv shows. I haven’t seen the Bare Bears show. Any good?
We Bare Bears is pretty cute and funny. It’s a slice of life show so don’t expect much action or drama, but if you go in with minimal expectations it’s very pleasant to watch.
It has its moments. Mostly it’s an allegory about the difficulties immigrants face when assimilating into American culture.
Mitch Hedberg is one of the greatest comedians of all time. I loved his material, but he had some serious drug issues. I saw him 6 months before his death and he was totally trashed. He told maybe 5 jokes during his show. The rest of the time he was wobbling all over the stage and just acting like a drugged/drunk mess.
Fucking ducks… getting all that free bread and lettuce sub sandwiches. RIP Mitch
what happened to chapelle is the same thing that happens to so many has-beens: they realize that if they start parroting right wing talking points they don’t have to be funny or talented or anything like that and they’ll get instant access to an audience that will buy anything that affirms their worldview.
Dave Chappelle is the kind of person who will tell jokes at your expense and turn around and fight for your right to exist, despite the content of his jokes. I’m really confused about what the disconnect is in his mind about trans people that makes him do the exact opposite for them. His kicker in his opening monologue for SNL after election night 2016 was that he sides with the “historically disenfranchised” in demanding Trump (and by proxy the entire government) give them a chance. Why does he not include the trans community in that statement of solidarity?
he only cares about straight cis black men, when you frame it like that it all makes sense. because he belongs and identifies as one. he’s funny, and poignant when it’s about that particular intersectionality. but he doesn’t care about any other group unless other groups gets rights quicker than “his people”. then he puts them down.
He’s a capitalist and triangulating. None of us knows what he thinks, he just wants to find the sweet spot that gets him money, even if it means acting dangerously towards disenfranchised people. Fuck Chappelle.
As a communist who supports Israel, sometimes thats just how it is when its complicated
If you cant explain why you support something, your support is irrational.
“communist”
not even anti-imperialist? You know this is how we got mao and stalin, right?
Say nuance three times. N. u. A. n. c. e
Money, white conservative neighbors.
There’s a saying “when your young if you’re not a liberal you don’t have a heart and when you’re old if you’re not a conservative you don’t have a brain”.
A saying that hasn’t held up. I wonder why it hasn’t.
Just like stereotypes, there’s a thread of truth to it.
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I decided to look up the quote again, it’s real but not accurate in reflecting the beliefs. Liberalism is less government and more private property, progressivism is wanting change, and conservatism is wanting tradition and things to say the same. All three definitions are how they were once described but do not reflect today’s meanings of each word.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the saying comes from the responsibilities people have at different ages and not a hard and fast rule. When you’re young you’re likely more progressive and you’re not the one having to work and worrying about how far you can stretch a dollar. When your older you’re more conservative because you’re having to work and pay for all your expenses which at that point you want less government taxing you to pay for liberal shit.
Edit: Liberalism of the past and what’s today are different today’s Liberals are extreme progressives in disguise. So, I may have conflated the two.
I’m in my late 40s, single, own a house independently, responsible for all my own expenses.
I’ve definitely gotten way less conservative as I age. I don’t rage at paying taxes because I want my neighbors to have nice roads and schools and healthcare and food and food educations even if they’re poor, even if they’re immigrants. Because that’s what Jesus world want me to do with my money: provide for my neighbor.
Yes, I corrected myself in another comment. And I appreciate your contribution to society. But what I was really bringing light to were the radical progressives of today that are making decisions that are leading to the United States, debt, increasing, therefore leading to inflation. Open borders and helping people in need sounds good, but the US cannot feed the world.
Sure, if you’re from Texas or Florida.
Would i need to be living in one of those states to have my current beliefs?
No, not necessarily. Any theocracy would do the same.
Would I need to live in California or New York to worry about high prices, poor education, rampant drug abuse, a Shitting on streets epidemic that requires poop patrol to clean up the mess, and widespread homelessness/ tent cities just to name a few? Asking for a friend.
Hey, look. Black Dilbert.
Are they going to celebrate their two genders in a theater?
