Just in case you thought Newsom couldn’t get any worse…
As always, the dail mail is a terrible source. Here is a better one that gives actual context:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-11-10/prison-reform-jarad-nava-sacramento
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/la-times-los-angeles-times/
Why is sensationalism ok here?
It’s a conservative Lemmy, what else do they have?
Easy there, unofficial warning of rule 3.
The entire article is in bad faith
Do you have a reason?
Please reference the above links, as well as the original thread detailing the broader context of the situation and report back
Worthless spammers like you and pizza who are only here to peddle bullshit?
Someone I disagree with = spammer
I reference my earlier comment lol
Counterpoint: A 17 year old kid without a fully formed brain shot into car, a horrific, vile act.
He spends 8 years, half of his life prior to his heinous act in prison.
Assuming the conservative position is not emotionally driven, looking at data and numbers, is the purpose of prison is to reform individuals to reintroduce them into society?
Additionally, it costs $106,000 a year to house inmates in the state. From a fiscal perspective it is in the best interest of the state to get prisoners rehabilitated and reintroduced to society, as well as reduce recidivism.
Preventing others from going to jail and knowing how to keep people from going back in, knowing how to get people out of jail is all in the best interest of all. Hiring this person, assuming they’re repentant and reformed, could prevent crime and do more to help society than if they just rot at $106k/year.
“Assuming the conservative position is not emotionally driven”
Gonna stop you there, look where you are
The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people who are a detriment to society where they aren’t causing problems. This guy is a violent gang member who tried to kill 4 people. He has no place in society, let alone government.
And I agree, cost is an issue. And issue that’s easily solved without letting violent gang members continue to cause problems in society.
The purpose of prison is rehabilitation, and from the looks of your own article, he has been effectively rehabilitated into a working and functioning member of society.
Criminals are human too, committing a crime does not mean you are forever the same person.
Bingo. As a conservative I want people rehabilitated and back into society as productive members of society.
If they can’t be rehabilitated then they stay in prison.
Prison shouldn’t be about punishment. It should be about protecting society.
This guy was an angry and violent kid who did something terrible for unknown reasons. He most certainly isn’t an angry kid anymore.
What he is now is a person who had 8 years to grow and change.
What’s important is how likely is this person to commit another crime after he’s changed by being in prison. If he has a low likelihood of reoffending then from a societal perspective it makes little sense to keep him in prison.
This perspective doesn’t address the revenge, punishment, or vengence aspect of incarnation which seems to be what you’re most concerned with.
The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people who are a detriment to society where they aren’t causing problems.
The parole board came to the conclusion that he was at low risk of reoffending. You can disagree with that decision all you like but we shouldn’t be keeping people in prison if they are no longer a risk. You’re also not the one who looked at his prison record that is required to come to a decision.
Now I’m not a certified psychologist who is qualified to be on such a parole board, and most likely you’re not either. So I’m going to defer to the parole boards decision, because they’re the ones who are certified, qualified, and have his prison records on hand.
This guy is a violent gang member who tried to kill 4 people.
… when he was a kid, drunk, high, and influenced be the few (evil) people in his life that he trusted.
He has no place in society, let alone government.
Failing to give people a second chance is what causes people to reoffend. Prison should be rehabilitative, not punitive.
And issue that’s easily solved without letting violent gang members continue to cause problems in society.
So then what’s the solution? It costs a shit load of money to hold prisoners, and per capita we have the most prisoners out of any country.
You’re an idiot.
Hey, Q, unofficially, can you refrain from calling people names? Like three of your comments have been reported.
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Right, rule 1 civility/abusive language, rule 3 bad faith. Removal with one day ban.
I feel like there are plenty other reasons Newsom is bad.
Fuck Newsom. He’s a garbage human. He bailed out PG&E, which was responsible for massive fires that ended lives and destroyed homes. He appointed a new corporate shill to fill the shoes of the fundraising zombie Feinstein, who was being puppeted by Pelosi via her daughter in the final days of her life.
Meanwhile, dipshit Biden is sleepwalking into a loss against a geriatric baboon. If Biden drops out, Newsom will run. If Newsom runs, I’m going to have a hard time with my vote.
For the record, I’m hardcore left.
Newsom is garbage. I hope he doesn’t run for president. I can’t see him winning
I’m conservative but I want solid people to run for president.
Exactly. I am all for candidates with opposing ideas going into the election, debating their points, and winning based on the merit of their claims.
However, we live in a country that legalizes bribery in the shape of special interest groups and super pacs. If we don’t expect politicians to give their donors ROI for their money, I’ve got some waterfront property just west of Seattle to sell you.
Dems prop up unpopular candidates. GOP tries to push candidates who simp to Trump, meanwhile they oppose him. (with a couple of notable exceptions, of course.)
I just want a fair election for everyone. I may not agree with you, but I want your vote to count as much as mine. No more, no less. (that opens up another conversation, of course, but I’m eating turkey and watching the Seahawks get their asses handed to them.)
I agree. While I want my person to win, if the other persons has better ideas and wins I’d be fine with it.
Right now people are voting against someone rather than voting for someone.
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Have not heard of him. I’d have to know his platform to have an opinion.
Since the democrats strongly supported the summer of love. It’ll be hard for me to vote for them.
I am a fan of Regan style of government.
I’m probably just voting libertarian since I’m not in a swing state anyway.
And once again the downvoters are already here, apparently they like vile criminals like this guy.
If that girl’s family hunts him down… Good.
And once again the downvoters are already here, apparently they like vile criminals like this guy
The title is sensationalist as hell. And by and large the downvotes are used as a disagree button. And most people disagree with conservative politics, especially on the internet.
The downvotes aren’t out of a love for criminals.
If that girl’s family hunts him down… Good
Odd how the party of law and order is encouraging extra-judicial violence against someone who was cleared as a low risk by a parole board.
Our government is paying out the ass for prison costs because we have the most prisoners per capita in the world. So it needs to be able to let people who have been rehabilitated and low risk of reoffending to be released to save costs. That’s what happened in this case.
Now I’m not a certified psychologist who is qualified to be on such a parole board, and most likely you’re not either. So I’m going to defer to the parole boards decision, because they’re the ones who are certified, qualified, and have his prison records on hand.
Parole Boards have let a lot of dangerous people out and many times they reoffend. These people know how to play the system to get a favorable decision.
Any system designed to give any kind of parole will always have error. There is no way to predict human behavior with 100% accuracy.
I do understand that.
Parole recommendations are typically based on the original crime, institutional adjustment and behavior while incarcerated, internal progress reports, staff interactions, and remorse.
All if which can be faked by any narcissist, gaslighter, or experienced manipulator. Prisons are full of these individuals. Parole for “good behavior” is still a thing even though most places don’t call it that anymore.
Reminds me of a guy in PA who did 15 years for murder, never got a misconduct in prison, was friendly and helpful to staff for years, and Parole let him go.
He carjacked a woman in Philly at gunpoint 6 days after release.
