Islam actually. It’s not a dogmatic religion like Christianity and it relies on more solid proofs than Christianity.
Edit: I knew once I named the religion people would start throwing insults. That wasn’t the point, the religion has some actual scientific and philosophical proofs and does NOT require you to “just believe in something we can’t see.”
Read what I said again more carefully. Islam doesn’t rely on the same proofs of Christianity or Judaism even though they have overlapping beliefs. My religion does not require you to believe a man died and came back to life, but instead points to observable scientific and philosophical truths as its basis.
“observable scientific and philosophical truths” cannot point to an existence of any sort of higher power, by the very definition of a higher power. All you can do is believe in a higher power, all religion is dogma.
That’s not at all true by definition, and you’re embracing a Christian mindset if you think that way. Other religions don’t ask you to turn off your brain and embrace dogma. Literally every aspect of Islam is up for debate and relies on reasoning and evidence to back it up.
That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
I’m going to assume you’re online a lot and this isn’t your first message board. Let me ask you a serious question, how often have you seen someone change their mind online? How many people have changed political parties because someone on a message board reply convinced them? Or changed religious belief?
I’ve been on message boards for literally decades and seen people argue over religion since the beginning. I can’t point to many successful cases of someone changing their mind, even being generous I’d say for every 100 thoughtful posts with long citations, less than one time does someone actually digest it and change their mindset. That shows this isn’t really the forum to have it out, and I’m not going to write a long researched post just to have someone say “you’re wrong and stupid” as a reply once again.
I’m not trying to deprive you, but if you are generally asking in good faith I can point to some good books and YouTube videos or honestly the best way is in the real world; stop into any mosque and ask to speak to the imam, have him explain what Muslims do and don’t believe and WHY they believe it. The answer may surprise you.
Sharpshooter fallacy time: remember only the statements that can be twisted to be sorta true in some contexts. Forget the ones about magic humans splitting planetary bodies in half because they support a counter to your hypothesis.
Islam actually. It’s not a dogmatic religion like Christianity and it relies on more solid proofs than Christianity.
Edit: I knew once I named the religion people would start throwing insults. That wasn’t the point, the religion has some actual scientific and philosophical proofs and does NOT require you to “just believe in something we can’t see.”
No it doesn’t they come from the same Abrahamic source, your fairytale is no more real than theirs.
Read what I said again more carefully. Islam doesn’t rely on the same proofs of Christianity or Judaism even though they have overlapping beliefs. My religion does not require you to believe a man died and came back to life, but instead points to observable scientific and philosophical truths as its basis.
“observable scientific and philosophical truths” cannot point to an existence of any sort of higher power, by the very definition of a higher power. All you can do is believe in a higher power, all religion is dogma.
That’s not at all true by definition, and you’re embracing a Christian mindset if you think that way. Other religions don’t ask you to turn off your brain and embrace dogma. Literally every aspect of Islam is up for debate and relies on reasoning and evidence to back it up.
If you say so. I guess An-Nisa, 34 is completely provable and not dogmatic.
That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
You’re telling me you have incontrovertible evidence of god’s existence and won’t share it because you assume I will reject it. That’s fucking lazy
I’m going to assume you’re online a lot and this isn’t your first message board. Let me ask you a serious question, how often have you seen someone change their mind online? How many people have changed political parties because someone on a message board reply convinced them? Or changed religious belief?
I’ve been on message boards for literally decades and seen people argue over religion since the beginning. I can’t point to many successful cases of someone changing their mind, even being generous I’d say for every 100 thoughtful posts with long citations, less than one time does someone actually digest it and change their mindset. That shows this isn’t really the forum to have it out, and I’m not going to write a long researched post just to have someone say “you’re wrong and stupid” as a reply once again.
I’m not trying to deprive you, but if you are generally asking in good faith I can point to some good books and YouTube videos or honestly the best way is in the real world; stop into any mosque and ask to speak to the imam, have him explain what Muslims do and don’t believe and WHY they believe it. The answer may surprise you.
By 'lays out" you mean “kinda close if you squint”.
Oof.
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Sharpshooter fallacy time: remember only the statements that can be twisted to be sorta true in some contexts. Forget the ones about magic humans splitting planetary bodies in half because they support a counter to your hypothesis.
I have no idea, but that’s not on the list of proofs or evidence.
Sure it is. Just not your list.